Its great if you want to get ripped and all, but there is a difference between being ripped and just skinny 
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]Angus1 wrote:
- For a site that has a large proportion of members who are interested in aesthetics it has very few articles on bodybuilding style training .
- Other then Dr Clay Hyght and John Meadows most other articles are about how to get strong in a particular lift or strength based overall.
- Supplements are vastly overrated and people like me spend way too much money on them. I do because I guess I’m a bit lazy in the kitchen but to think that taking a supplement will somehow help you get a pump or build more muscle is I think a bit misleading.
- A lot of lifters that look huge in the gym are really just carrying fat. Not to say they still can’t be muscular but body fat % makes a huge difference. This should be obvious but too some it’s not.
- Telling a newb not to train arms or calves is crazy and sets bad habits.
-For someone who has trained Olympic athletes Charles Poliquin can really talk some shit. Often wonder if he is serious when he writes it but think he must do it for the reaction it gets. Having said that Modern Trends In Strength Training is a great book. - The reason why many people like the so called golden age of bodybuilding is because they didn’t have the huge guts of today. Hell some people even think that Arnold was the greatest even though he was way lighter then those of today and didn’t really have legs to speak of. It was the tiny midsection that made it all seem so real and impressive.
- The guts on display at the recent Arnold Classic were quite disturbing and shows that bodybuilding is a long way off changing this trend. [/quote]
The gut thing irks me. I wish there was some reliable information regarding hgh use at that level, since I’m about to start on the hgh myself and really do not want the bloated muscle belly look. It’s awful.[/quote]
It’s the insane doses of hgh and insulin and too much food. When I say lots I mean lots of insulin
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]Angus1 wrote:
- For a site that has a large proportion of members who are interested in aesthetics it has very few articles on bodybuilding style training .
- Other then Dr Clay Hyght and John Meadows most other articles are about how to get strong in a particular lift or strength based overall.
- Supplements are vastly overrated and people like me spend way too much money on them. I do because I guess I’m a bit lazy in the kitchen but to think that taking a supplement will somehow help you get a pump or build more muscle is I think a bit misleading.
- A lot of lifters that look huge in the gym are really just carrying fat. Not to say they still can’t be muscular but body fat % makes a huge difference. This should be obvious but too some it’s not.
- Telling a newb not to train arms or calves is crazy and sets bad habits.
-For someone who has trained Olympic athletes Charles Poliquin can really talk some shit. Often wonder if he is serious when he writes it but think he must do it for the reaction it gets. Having said that Modern Trends In Strength Training is a great book. - The reason why many people like the so called golden age of bodybuilding is because they didn’t have the huge guts of today. Hell some people even think that Arnold was the greatest even though he was way lighter then those of today and didn’t really have legs to speak of. It was the tiny midsection that made it all seem so real and impressive.
- The guts on display at the recent Arnold Classic were quite disturbing and shows that bodybuilding is a long way off changing this trend. [/quote]
The gut thing irks me. I wish there was some reliable information regarding hgh use at that level, since I’m about to start on the hgh myself and really do not want the bloated muscle belly look. It’s awful.[/quote]
It’s the insane doses of hgh and insulin and too much food. When I say lots I mean lots of insulin
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lol…oh dear…
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]Angus1 wrote:
- For a site that has a large proportion of members who are interested in aesthetics it has very few articles on bodybuilding style training .
- Other then Dr Clay Hyght and John Meadows most other articles are about how to get strong in a particular lift or strength based overall.
- Supplements are vastly overrated and people like me spend way too much money on them. I do because I guess I’m a bit lazy in the kitchen but to think that taking a supplement will somehow help you get a pump or build more muscle is I think a bit misleading.
- A lot of lifters that look huge in the gym are really just carrying fat. Not to say they still can’t be muscular but body fat % makes a huge difference. This should be obvious but too some it’s not.
- Telling a newb not to train arms or calves is crazy and sets bad habits.
-For someone who has trained Olympic athletes Charles Poliquin can really talk some shit. Often wonder if he is serious when he writes it but think he must do it for the reaction it gets. Having said that Modern Trends In Strength Training is a great book. - The reason why many people like the so called golden age of bodybuilding is because they didn’t have the huge guts of today. Hell some people even think that Arnold was the greatest even though he was way lighter then those of today and didn’t really have legs to speak of. It was the tiny midsection that made it all seem so real and impressive.
- The guts on display at the recent Arnold Classic were quite disturbing and shows that bodybuilding is a long way off changing this trend. [/quote]
The gut thing irks me. I wish there was some reliable information regarding hgh use at that level, since I’m about to start on the hgh myself and really do not want the bloated muscle belly look. It’s awful.[/quote]
It’s the insane doses of hgh and insulin and too much food. When I say lots I mean lots of insulin
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lol…oh dear…[/quote]
No flaming only sharing
What are your thoughts since you have an opinion that’s about to jump out
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
No flaming only sharing
What are your thoughts since you have an opinion that’s about to jump out
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the cause is widely debated… for example, if high GH and insulin use were the cause… how did former pro bodybuilders like Dorian Yates lose their guts now that they have retired?
I believe that it has much to do with eating too much, too many carbs (how bloated are you after a refeed?), and accumulation of visceral fat from a less than optimal diet.
of course, IGF1 makes things grow, but that brings us back to the Yates example, because he certainly used the FUCK out of GH and insulin
I don’t find being ripped aesthetically pleasing. I can appreciate the work that goes into getting into that condition, and see a need for it in competition, but the thought of being that lean doesn’t appeal to me at all.
I have done being lean (circa 10% wouldn’t be a bad guess) at 180lbs having dropped down from around 200 (former fat boy), and am now around 215, somewhere inbetween the two in leanness, and happier. That being said, I am in the process of making my chest less bitch-tittish.
I would rather look like the guy in the last picture in the link below than the first two.
Confession 2: Rugby > American football
[quote]MaazerSmiit wrote:
I don’t find being ripped aesthetically pleasing. I can appreciate the work that goes into getting into that condition, and see a need for it in competition, but the thought of being that lean doesn’t appeal to me at all.
I have done being lean (circa 10% wouldn’t be a bad guess) at 180lbs having dropped down from around 200 (former fat boy), and am now around 215, somewhere inbetween the two in leanness, and happier. That being said, I am in the process of making my chest less bitch-tittish.
I would rather look like the guy in the last picture in the link below than the first two.
Confession 2: Rugby > American football[/quote]
X10. American football is for pussies. Rugby is for men.
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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
No flaming only sharing
What are your thoughts since you have an opinion that’s about to jump out
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the cause is widely debated… for example, if high GH and insulin use were the cause… how did former pro bodybuilders like Dorian Yates lose their guts now that they have retired?
I believe that it has much to do with eating too much, too many carbs (how bloated are you after a refeed?), and accumulation of visceral fat from a less than optimal diet.
of course, IGF1 makes things grow, but that brings us back to the Yates example, because he certainly used the FUCK out of GH and insulin[/quote]
Are there any other examples of pro bodybuilders losing their gut?
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
No flaming only sharing
What are your thoughts since you have an opinion that’s about to jump out
[/quote]
the cause is widely debated… for example, if high GH and insulin use were the cause… how did former pro bodybuilders like Dorian Yates lose their guts now that they have retired?
I believe that it has much to do with eating too much, too many carbs (how bloated are you after a refeed?), and accumulation of visceral fat from a less than optimal diet.
of course, IGF1 makes things grow, but that brings us back to the Yates example, because he certainly used the FUCK out of GH and insulin[/quote]
I think the guts are loseable. Shit even king Ronnie developed himself a nice gut. I think the dropping of dose and not trying to maintain such freak size will make it go away. I think a lot is visceral fat which is very hard to burn with insulin in the blood. And with the amount of insulin and carbs those monsters eat to get their size I think they pack on visceral fat that is very hard to lose with so much insulin. Also the GH will start induce insulin resistance. Not sure if the true mechanism will be found but the gut only seems to come from the guys truly pushing insane size. So what ever they do to go to that level is the culprit.
Oh yea, almost everybody lies about their numbers online–strength, waistline, arm circumference, bodyfat, daily caloric intake and macros, etc. you name it. I think the funniest is guys claiming 17" arms who actually post pics.
Also, arm and leg measurements mean nothing if you’re a fatass. 17" on stage natty, is really really really fucking impressive!
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Oh yea, almost everybody lies about their numbers online–strength, waistline, arm circumference, bodyfat, daily caloric intake and macros, etc. you name it. I think the funniest is guys claiming 17" arms who actually post pics.
Also, arm and leg measurements mean nothing if you’re a fatass. 17" on stage natty, is really really really fucking impressive![/quote]
Naw brah 18inches or go home.
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[quote]optheta wrote:
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Oh yea, almost everybody lies about their numbers online–strength, waistline, arm circumference, bodyfat, daily caloric intake and macros, etc. you name it. I think the funniest is guys claiming 17" arms who actually post pics.
Also, arm and leg measurements mean nothing if you’re a fatass. 17" on stage natty, is really really really fucking impressive![/quote]
Naw brah 18inches or go home.[/quote]
lol
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Also, arm and leg measurements mean nothing if you’re a fatass. 17" on stage natty, is really really really fucking impressive![/quote]
Unless you’ve ever seen (in person), someone who is close to or at contest level leanness, sporting a 17" gun, on a frame of relatively average height you will never appreciate just how impressive it really looks.
(and please don’t tell me about the guys in your gym who are 6% year round and huge -lol)
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[quote]chobbs wrote:
[quote]DanielDJ wrote:
Doing Rack Pulls (upper back thickness) + RDLs/SLDLs (hamstrings) + Back Extensions (lower back) > Than just doing Conventional [/quote]
I like this[/quote]
Hell yeah. I quit deads and just do a version of rack pulls. I get what I want and it’s still very safe for me.
The majotiry of the business side of the fitness industry is one big lie.
Most people do not realize that what the are aspiring for cant be acheived naturally and the majority of the supplement industry, fitness magazine industry, etc are using AAS assisted models and BBers to sell their products.
As such, most, mainly younger lifters, are dillusional to what a natural and developed physique is and spend lots of time and money on supplements, training styles etc chasing a dream body that cannot be acheived.
On the flipside:
Those in the supplement, magazine etc side of the industry that promote the attainable/natural side of things vastly overplay the role of steroids in training and promotion. They then create ‘new’ training and eating styles that are worthless for building aesthetics or geared for athetic developement.
As such most, mainly younger lifters, are dillusional to how to train and supplement a natural developed physique and spend lots of time and money on supplements, training styles etc chasing a dream body that wont be acheived from this manner.
If you are >15% body fat you don’t need to worry about your body breaking down muscle for fuel, you’ve got plenty of fuel in your love handles…
Probably >10% really.
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I wonder if the whole “Bigger Stronger Leaner” thread and its Full House Vs Leaner fiasco would have taken such an unfortunate turn if it wasnt Professor X being the go to guy as the full house Bench mark, I would think not.
I think some very respected posters here get away with passive aggressive posts because they are who they are. Which I guess is understandable.
I was very hesitant about this new forum, but it actually turned out to be very good, shit storms and all.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
If you are >15% body fat you don’t need to worry about your body breaking down muscle for fuel, you’ve got plenty of fuel in your love handles…
Probably >10% really. [/quote]
<---- at about 20% with no love handles
[quote]Waittz wrote:
The majotiry of the business side of the fitness industry is one big lie.
Most people do not realize that what the are aspiring for cant be acheived naturally and the majority of the supplement industry, fitness magazine industry, etc are using AAS assisted models and BBers to sell their products.
As such, most, mainly younger lifters, are dillusional to what a natural and developed physique is and spend lots of time and money on supplements, training styles etc chasing a dream body that cannot be achieved.
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it’s not the fitness industry’s fault that most young lifters are incredibly naive
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
The majotiry of the business side of the fitness industry is one big lie.
Most people do not realize that what the are aspiring for cant be acheived naturally and the majority of the supplement industry, fitness magazine industry, etc are using AAS assisted models and BBers to sell their products.
As such, most, mainly younger lifters, are dillusional to what a natural and developed physique is and spend lots of time and money on supplements, training styles etc chasing a dream body that cannot be achieved.
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it’s not the fitness industry’s fault that most young lifters are incredibly naive[/quote]
Never said it was. The combination of the marketing and the fact, which you pointed out, that most young lifters are naive is what leads to most of the industries profits in the first place.