Strongman = CrossFit (More or Less)

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
undesired08 wrote:
tits vs ass.

I’m an ass man myself.

How da fuck can you be an ass man? Men have asses, only women have Tit’s.
It’s scientifically proven in all medical journals that people are more attracted to tits. Tit’s support life strength and bed rest.

Tits and Pancakes is the way to go, anything else and your a troll.[/quote]
Ass man here as well. I guess what makes it worse is I like chicks with small tits and a nice ass (nice being non-flat + willingness to rest on my face).

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[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:

I am not saying no to train strongman, if you are a competitor. By the way can someone please clarify what they think strongman is specificaly,
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Uuuuuhhhhhhh… could it be the what people compete in at a “strongman” contest such as those put on by the WSM and IFSA…??

This crossfit shit bugs the hell out of me.

If you combine several training systems you’re “crossfitting”. Even if you’ve never heard of it.

Bullshit. Tbh.

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[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:
fattymcfatso wrote:

Honestly. Yes. CrossFit is just doing everything. It is one of the most difficult things to describe because there is no specificity. What is amazing though is how implementing other forms of training into your routine, you can have tremendous success in your given sport.

This is what irritates me. Crossfit is everything. It’s like if I invented a diet program called “Eat Food” and then talked about how wonderful it is because my diet program involves all food, you simply eat the foods in the amounts you need to achieve your goal.

Anybody who disagrees with my program can shove it, because if they’re eating food, then they’re already following it and I claim responsibility for their accomplishments for creating such a genius program.

That’s why a lot of people don’t like crossfit. The people who preach about it come off as arrogant.

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I see you’r point and it is very well stated. I don’t like to think of myself as arrogant. I do CrossFit But I don’t like alt of it. i.e. running, jump rope, burpees, etc. But I include these things in my training to be more well rounded. And I should not have stated that CrossFit does everything. Anyone wearing a CF shirt would not be caught dead doing ez bar curls or getting on the Hammer strength delt raise.

Crossfitters come from all different backgrounds and have differnt strengths, the point is they expanded their training umbrella and learn how to become a more well rounded athelete.

Honestly man, sometimes I get confused on what CrossFit really is supposed to be. I know more than anything I want CrossFit to be accepted as a valid form of strength athletics. I think Crossfitters are looking for some type of validation for their accomplishments, but not getting it because people don’t know what the hell they have accomplished. All I know is I do it, and it hurts, and I love it.

Alot of people “don’t like” what they havent tried and don’t understand.

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[quote]Hanley wrote:
fattymcfatso wrote:

I am not saying no to train strongman, if you are a competitor. By the way can someone please clarify what they think strongman is specificaly,

Uuuuuhhhhhhh… could it be the what people compete in at a “strongman” contest such as those put on by the WSM and IFSA…??

This crossfit shit bugs the hell out of me.

If you combine several training systems you’re “crossfitting”. Even if you’ve never heard of it.

Bullshit. Tbh.[/quote]

The question was specifically clarify. Like try and name ALL of the events that strongmen train for specifically.

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[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
I know more than anything I want CrossFit to be accepted as a valid form of strength athletics.
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It’s not tho.

By Crossfit’s own standards it never can be, because that would imply specilisation. Maybe you should find something else?

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[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
Hanley wrote:
fattymcfatso wrote:

I am not saying no to train strongman, if you are a competitor. By the way can someone please clarify what they think strongman is specificaly,

Uuuuuhhhhhhh… could it be the what people compete in at a “strongman” contest such as those put on by the WSM and IFSA…??

This crossfit shit bugs the hell out of me.

If you combine several training systems you’re “crossfitting”. Even if you’ve never heard of it.

Bullshit. Tbh.

The question was specifically clarify. Like try and name ALL of the events that strongmen train for specifically.

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Why?

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[quote]Hanley wrote:
fattymcfatso wrote:
Hanley wrote:
fattymcfatso wrote:

I am not saying no to train strongman, if you are a competitor. By the way can someone please clarify what they think strongman is specificaly,

Uuuuuhhhhhhh… could it be the what people compete in at a “strongman” contest such as those put on by the WSM and IFSA…??

This crossfit shit bugs the hell out of me.

If you combine several training systems you’re “crossfitting”. Even if you’ve never heard of it.

Bullshit. Tbh.

The question was specifically clarify. Like try and name ALL of the events that strongmen train for specifically.

Why?
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The whole point of this whole friggin’ thread was to deomnstrate the similarities of CF an SM. You need to be training all 3 pathways to get proficient at both sports. Which is very different from other strength sports. I did not name this thread CrossFit = powerlifting, eventhough CF has powerlifting elements. Honestly most CrossFitters have never even seen an atlas stone.

Specificity is what has gotten in the mix. That is what the question regarding specific training for strongman events is about.

Read my first post and you will understand what I am trying to convey.

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Okay, this thread is getting on my nerves. X training is doing anything to make you better at X. Strongman training is doing anything to get better at strongman, PL training is doing anything to get better at powerlifting.

Look at the Westside guys. Many of them never really do competition lifts until a meet. They train off boards boxes and racks most of the time.

You keep things in your training that help you and throw out stuff that doesn?t. If a strongman finds that kipping whatever pullups help his quest to be a better strongman, IT IS STILL STRONGMAN TRAINING.

Just because some of them may adopt schemes or practices that use crossfit like exercises or timing, it isn?t crossfit training, because they are still doing in for strongman.

The insinuation that strongmen training would be better if in addition they did crossfit also is absurd in this respect.

Crossfit training would be defined as training to get better at crossfit. Why would a strongman competitor train to maximize his ability to do crossfit?

There are a lot of common principals shared throughout strength training, just because Westside guys put into practice the idea of training with su-maximal loads explosively does not mean that they are training as Olympic weightlifters.

Heck even within a sport, successful styles of training can be completely different.

Shieko focuses almost totally on core basic lifts with loads of volume and very low percentages. Westside is the exact opposite. They focus on variations with insanely high percentages and frequent maxing. By the very logic employed in this thread only one of the programs can be ?powerlifting training?.

/rant

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100% absolutely not the same

apples, and oranges here…

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Glenn Ross: Crossfit champion.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Okay, this thread is getting on my nerves. X training is doing anything to make you better at X. Strongman training is doing anything to get better at strongman, PL training is doing anything to get better at powerlifting.

Look at the Westside guys. Many of them never really do competition lifts until a meet. They train off boards boxes and racks most of the time.

You keep things in your training that help you and throw out stuff that doesn?t. If a strongman finds that kipping whatever pullups help his quest to be a better strongman, IT IS STILL STRONGMAN TRAINING.

Just because some of them may adopt schemes or practices that use crossfit like exercises or timing, it isn?t crossfit training, because they are still doing in for strongman.

The insinuation that strongmen training would be better if in addition they did crossfit also is absurd in this respect.

Crossfit training would be defined as training to get better at crossfit. Why would a strongman competitor train to maximize his ability to do crossfit?

There are a lot of common principals shared throughout strength training, just because Westside guys put into practice the idea of training with su-maximal loads explosively does not mean that they are training as Olympic weightlifters.

Heck even within a sport, successful styles of training can be completely different.

Shieko focuses almost totally on core basic lifts with loads of volume and very low percentages. Westside is the exact opposite. They focus on variations with insanely high percentages and frequent maxing. By the very logic employed in this thread only one of the programs can be ?powerlifting training?.

/rant
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confused.

oh, ok, I get it.

again, crossfit, no, not the same as strongman.

and strongman is not the same as squatting a 1000 lbs in a suit.

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OK, I tried not to respond but mcfatso . . I have to go with Marvel Girl on this one. The problem with Crossfit is they want to claim evrything as it’s there’s. It’s basically a continuing training routine with no particualr structure. And competitions should have a progressive structure in order to gauge improvement.

Not just take random aspects from other lifts, exercises drills, etc.

Personally my concern with Crossfit is the lack of knowledge and experience. A friend of mine went to a Crossfit class once. first time, never did anything but general conditioning before and they ahd her doing kettlebell swings, push presses, and other movements. But no one really instructed her how to do it and it was more trial and error. And I’m sorry that is just stupid.

What exactly does being certified Crossfit mean anyway. Is it on the same par as NSCA or ACSM?

I know this seems tangent but bear with me. People respond negatively to Crossfit because Crossfit disciples never explain themselves. It’s basically it hurts and I love it. Great, if that’s your thing but don’t preach it as being the best way to train unless you can actually back it with more than opinion.

I’ve done Crossfit routines, and they’re OK, fun even. Reminds me of my wrestling days, but I wouldn’t put any of my clients on such a random routine, fighters or otherwise. And I believe the general statements you made opened you to the backlash.

And in all honesty I do think you were making a good point about expanding one’s training regimen. But on a site founded on muscle and power you had to expect this kind of response.

good luck at your next competition.

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[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
T3hPwnisher wrote:
Again, why? Are you saying I’d become a better strongman training crossfit rather than doing strongman training? How many successful strongman competing today utilize crossfit along with strongman training, rather than simply taking an aspect of crossfit, or simply doing their own conditioning? Would not the law of specificity dictate one would get better at an activity training said activity?

And this is still not answering my question. Say I come to your gym, and say to you “I only have X amount of hours to spend training per week. I want to become stronger and faster.” Do you have me follow crossfit or do you have me follow strongman? If they’re equal, do I just flip a coin, or (big twist) are they actually NOT equal, and in fact different activities that generate different results?

I mean, hell, why not just say “Powerlifting, Olympic Lifting, Strongman, Crossfit, Arm Wrestling, Sex with fat women, marathon running, sprinting, and kite flying all make you better at the other activity, so train them all?” The whole “time” variable here, and usually efficiency is king along with specificity.

I’m not seeing a compelling argument to shoehorn crossfit into another program when thousands of people are out there NOT doing crossfit and doing just fine.

Dude, can you become a better strongman by doing squats, deads and bench? Yes. Do those movements constitute powerlifting? Yes. Do Strongmen bench press in competitions? No. Does Powerlifting make you a better strongman? Yes. Should you only powerlift to get good at strongman? No. You need to more than specificity training to get good at Strongman. How do you train to get good at Conans wheel if you don’t have one? Specificity is not always aplicable, especially when most people don’t have many of the apppaatuses(is that a word) to train with.

There are also lots of people DOING CrossFit getting great results.

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Why don’t you ever answer questions directly.

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[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
malonetd wrote:
fattymcfatso wrote:
The versitility make it whatever you need it to be to reach you goals.

Doesn’t this statement make Crossfit = everything?

I’m not trying to bash Crossfit here, I truly don’t understand exactly what it is. It seems like everyone has a different definition.

Honestly. Yes. CrossFit is just doing everything. It is one of the most difficult things to describe because there is no specificity. What is amazing though is how implementing other forms of training into your routine, you can have tremendous success in your given sport.

Perfect example: Tiger Woods lifts weights and it makes him a better golfer. He wouldn’t do it if it didn’t. The 2 activities don’t seem to be related at all yet somehow it works.

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Understand that there are also many other forms of training that could hurt Tiger’s golf game. Doing something just because it is different doesn’t always make sense. Once an athlete starts cutting things that don’t work and waste his time, he is no longer doing crossfit.

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[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
malonetd wrote:
fattymcfatso wrote:

Honestly. Yes. CrossFit is just doing everything. It is one of the most difficult things to describe because there is no specificity. What is amazing though is how implementing other forms of training into your routine, you can have tremendous success in your given sport.

Perfect example: Tiger Woods lifts weights and it makes him a better golfer. He wouldn’t do it if it didn’t. The 2 activities don’t seem to be related at all yet somehow it works.

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This whole discussion is retarded.

Tiger woods uses strength training because it makes him more powerful which improves his long game.

That’s not crossfit that is strength and conditioning.

Athletes all over the world do a shit load of general preparation work such as strength training and a whole host of non sport specific conditioning.

However they DO practice sports specific practice put together in a well thought out perodised scheme that takes into account recovery, competitions, time to peak and a whole laundry list of variables.

Cross fit does NONE of the above. It is a collection of random workouts that tax diffrent energy systems with no over all specific goal in mind.

The lack of specific goal setting and programme structure is why cross fit style programming is retarded for any sports person.

The best results have been gained by following a perodised schedule.

If crossfit people start cleaning house at the olympics believe me practices will change but I find it very difficult to believe that a pure cross fitter will ever win a gold at an elite level because they never specialise.

Introducing some crossfit style workouts into your planned schedule for conditioning might not be a bad idea but that is by definition not doing crossfit that is just borrowing some ideas.

Cross fit is a fitness modality and a sport in their own right. Well and good.

It is however not the best way to get good at any given sport (out side of the cross fit games of course).

So does crossfit = strongman.

that would be a resounding no.

Strongman = Strongman
Crossfit = Crossfit.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Okay, this thread is getting on my nerves. X training is doing anything to make you better at X. Strongman training is doing anything to get better at strongman, PL training is doing anything to get better at powerlifting.

Look at the Westside guys. Many of them never really do competition lifts until a meet. They train off boards boxes and racks most of the time.

You keep things in your training that help you and throw out stuff that doesn?t. If a strongman finds that kipping whatever pullups help his quest to be a better strongman, IT IS STILL STRONGMAN TRAINING.

Just because some of them may adopt schemes or practices that use crossfit like exercises or timing, it isn?t crossfit training, because they are still doing in for strongman.

The insinuation that strongmen training would be better if in addition they did crossfit also is absurd in this respect.

Crossfit training would be defined as training to get better at crossfit. Why would a strongman competitor train to maximize his ability to do crossfit?

There are a lot of common principals shared throughout strength training, just because Westside guys put into practice the idea of training with su-maximal loads explosively does not mean that they are training as Olympic weightlifters.

Heck even within a sport, successful styles of training can be completely different.

Shieko focuses almost totally on core basic lifts with loads of volume and very low percentages. Westside is the exact opposite. They focus on variations with insanely high percentages and frequent maxing. By the very logic employed in this thread only one of the programs can be ?powerlifting training?.

/rant
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This is why I’m a tit’s man. With ass on the side.

Wait. What?

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It’s a PROGRAM, kids. Seriously. It’s just like how when Waterbury comes up with a program dedicated towards fat loss or Thib creates one dedicated towards building bigger shoulders. Some people do the whole program, some people take a part of it…

The difference is that the goal in crossfit is to improve metabolic conditioning. Strength plays a part of this, so they do SOME strength work. If strength was a large part of metcon, then they’d probably do more (though I would argue that the program itself could benefit from more strength work, it IS heading in this direction over the past year).

The problem is when people approach crossfit as more than this. Yes, they have their own competition and gyms, but it’s really just a TRAINING METHODOLOGY.

Strongman is a SPORT. The weights and events may vary contest to contest, but the goal is ultimately the unadulterated display of strength.

Strongman TRAINING is a training methodology. Just like crossfit, just because you are flipping a tire doesn’t mean you are “training strongman” anymore than doing Tabata work or complexes makes you a crossfitter.

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Just playing Devil’s Advocate here…Don’t kick me out of the mancave just yet.

I recently had a discussion with trainer who has begun doing the WOD’s himself. He is a pretty strong guy, and carries an above average amount of muscle.

I used the very same argument with him: “Crossfitters try to be good at everything and great at nothing.”

His reponse was “And?”

His point was that for the general public who often have no goals other than to “get in shape”, is being good at everything all that bad?

The majority of us post in the strength forum because we compete in a specific sport, and yes, we want to be the best, or at least be as good as our genetics will allow.

But for someone who has no desire to compete and just wants to “lose a little weight, get a little stronger, look a little better” (<-- 95% of the general population) Is Crossfit such a bad option?

If you took away the cultish attitude, and threw in some more structured programming…

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[quote]Modi wrote:

His point was that for the general public who often have no goals other than to “get in shape”, is being good at everything all that bad?[/quote]

Of course not…

But when they try to sell it as a strength training program my bullshit-o-meter goes wild!!

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Isn’t this like saying powerlifting and bodybuilding are the same? That would be an absurd and incorrect statement and that is exactly what is wrong with saying Strongman and Crossfit are the same.