Strongman = CrossFit (More or Less)

Training Powerlifting
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Crossfitters suffer from inferiority complexes.

They like to say how if an elite athlete were to try one of their workouts they couldn’t handle it, as if that means they can somehow compete with or are on the same level as said athlete. The fact is that crossfit gets you better at crossfit. It’s a workout routine and not a comprehensive athletic program. A crossfitter couldn’t handle an athlete’s program. Throw a crossfitter into a wrestling room and see how long they last (I’m not talking about actual wrestling but the conditioning work they do).

I would also bet that a decathlete would beat a crossfitter at crossfit with very little prep.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Crossfitters suffer from inferiority complexes.

They like to say how if an elite athlete were to try one of their workouts they couldn’t handle it, as if that means they can somehow compete with or are on the same level as said athlete. The fact is that crossfit gets you better at crossfit. It’s a workout routine and not a comprehensive athletic program. A crossfitter couldn’t handle an athlete’s program. Throw a crossfitter into a wrestling room and see how long they last (I’m not talking about actual wrestling but the conditioning work they do).

I would also bet that a decathlete would beat a crossfitter at crossfit with very little prep. [/quote]

I think over generalization is inevitable, especially on the internet with people you don’t really know. But how can you guys keep saying things that are just ridiculous. “CrossFitters suffer from inferiority complexes.” Huh?
News flash! most of the best CrossFitters were elite atheletes before CrossFit. You know what else? CrossFitters know that.
CrossFit is a sport.
Atheletes are good at sports.

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If it’s basically strongman, why not just do strongman?

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
If it’s basically strongman, why not just do strongman?[/quote]

I do strongman and CrossFit. My point is how similar the 2 activities are.

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[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
Monopoly19 wrote:
If you watned to create a shit storm, well done.

As someone who trains strongman, I’m going to say no. Strongman does not equal Crossfit.

If I had to make a generalization, I’d say people who train strongman are stronger, and people who do crossfit are in better shape cardio wise.

Monopoly

Agian with the generalizations. How many strongman comps have you been to/ witnessed. If it is more than 3 then you should know by now that there are plenty of weak strongman competitors. There are plenty of weak powerlifters and olympic lifters. There are also plenty of strong CrossFiters. I do strongman and CrossFit so what am I?
-Ready for you generalization.

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And your trying to make a generalization when you state “Strongman=Crossfit”.

I’ve competed in more than 3 strongman events, so you picked the wrong person to go there with.

Dude, there are people who “bodybuild” who are 130lbs. That doesn’t make them a bodybuilder. There are different levels of proficiency in any sport, so you stating “there are weak oly/power/lifters/strongmen” are correct. There are also crossfit guys who are bad at crossfit!

I would say that most people that are strong crossfitters got strong before crossfit. Take Rob Orlando for example, guy was a “strongman”. He’s now training for crossfit. His limit strength has decreased and his cardio has increased. End of discussion!

I’ve seen your squat vid, your a crossfitter. By and large, 180lb guys are NOT strongmen, sorry.

Monopoly

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[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
T3hPwnisher wrote:
If it’s basically strongman, why not just do strongman?

I do strongman and CrossFit. My point is how similar the 2 activities are.

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And my question is why do both when they are the same? What does crossfit do that makes it worth training over strongman, especially given strongman has been around longer and produced more visible public champions.

You don’t need to remind everyone in ever single post that you do strongmen and crossfitters. We get it.

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[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
fattymcfatso wrote:
Monopoly19 wrote:
If you watned to create a shit storm, well done.

As someone who trains strongman, I’m going to say no. Strongman does not equal Crossfit.

If I had to make a generalization, I’d say people who train strongman are stronger, and people who do crossfit are in better shape cardio wise.

Monopoly

Agian with the generalizations. How many strongman comps have you been to/ witnessed. If it is more than 3 then you should know by now that there are plenty of weak strongman competitors. There are plenty of weak powerlifters and olympic lifters. There are also plenty of strong CrossFiters. I do strongman and CrossFit so what am I?
-Ready for you generalization.

And your trying to make a generalization when you state “Strongman=Crossfit”.

I’ve competed in more than 3 strongman events, so you picked the wrong person to go there with.

Dude, there are people who “bodybuild” who are 130lbs. That doesn’t make them a bodybuilder. There are different levels of proficiency in any sport, so you stating “there are weak oly/power/lifters/strongmen” are correct. There are also crossfit guys who are bad at crossfit!

I would say that most people that are strong crossfitters got strong before crossfit. Take Rob Orlando for example, guy was a “strongman”. He’s now training for crossfit. His limit strength has decreased and his cardio has increased. End of discussion!

I’ve seen your squat vid, your a crossfitter. By and large, 180lb guys are NOT strongmen, sorry.

Monopoly[/quote]

I understand that my thread title is a genealization, and I did it to get people to read what I had to say.
I used to compete in Powerlifting and my limit strength has gone down as well. But the reason is because my focus has changed. I realize that.

I agree with everything you said until the last statement. Strongman is a sport that has a misleading title. Women can compete, and weak guys can compete, but it does not make them “strong men” it just makes them strongman competitors.

Dude, I love all of this stuff, anything to do with strength. I came to CrossFit with a strength Bias and do CrossFit with a Strength Bias. I appreciate all strength athletics competitors and competitions. Even the newer and more obscure ones. Sometimes I just wish people would open up a little and appreciate incredible athletic performances, even if they don’t participate in them.

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
fattymcfatso wrote:
T3hPwnisher wrote:
If it’s basically strongman, why not just do strongman?

I do strongman and CrossFit. My point is how similar the 2 activities are.

And my question is why do both when they are the same? What does crossfit do that makes it worth training over strongman, especially given strongman has been around longer and produced more visible public champions.

You don’t need to remind everyone in ever single post that you do strongmen and crossfitters. We get it.[/quote]

Did I already mention I do strongman and CrossFit? Because I do Strongman and CrossFit.

I don’t load stones every day, neither do most strongman competitors. Training strongman is not all event training, most serious competitors only do events once a week. So what do they do with the rest of their training? They usually run the gamit of all forms of strength training because strongman is such a non specialization sport. Most Strongman competitors have a basic understanding of all strength movements because specializing in the bench or snatch is not going to help you pull the plane any faster.
CrossFit has the same non specialization principals.

My point is again: Strongman and CrossFit work well as a training couplet and have very similar parameters. Strongman competitors can definetly benefit from CF and vise versa.

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Once again I ask, why one over the other?

Why not just do strongman training?

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Once again I ask, why one over the other?

Why not just do strongman training?[/quote]

Doing one makes you better at the other so do both.

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How would you define Crossfit training? Explain it to me like I’ve heard of it, please.

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Again, why? Are you saying I’d become a better strongman training crossfit rather than doing strongman training? How many successful strongman competing today utilize crossfit along with strongman training, rather than simply taking an aspect of crossfit, or simply doing their own conditioning? Would not the law of specificity dictate one would get better at an activity training said activity?

And this is still not answering my question. Say I come to your gym, and say to you “I only have X amount of hours to spend training per week. I want to become stronger and faster.” Do you have me follow crossfit or do you have me follow strongman? If they’re equal, do I just flip a coin, or (big twist) are they actually NOT equal, and in fact different activities that generate different results?

I mean, hell, why not just say “Powerlifting, Olympic Lifting, Strongman, Crossfit, Arm Wrestling, Sex with fat women, marathon running, sprinting, and kite flying all make you better at the other activity, so train them all?” The whole “time” variable here, and usually efficiency is king along with specificity.

I’m not seeing a compelling argument to shoehorn crossfit into another program when thousands of people are out there NOT doing crossfit and doing just fine.

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
How would you define Crossfit training? Explain it to me like I’ve heard of it, please.[/quote]

This. The big counter argument whenever someone finds flaws in crossfit is “oh, well that’s not what crossfit realy is”

It’s the whole “true scotsman” fallacy. I’ve heard a lot about what crossfit is not, but not what it is.

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
How would you define Crossfit training? Explain it to me like I’ve heard of it, please.[/quote]

I would decsribe CF as doing the most amount of work in the shortest time possible for the metcon side, but it is also doing the most amount of work in an alloted time. There is also the strength bias side that is purely how large of a load can you move one time.

The versitility make it whatever you need it to be to reach you goals. When I watch a medley at a stongman comp it is very similar to what I do in the gym on a regular basis. I love strongman and I did nothing but strongman for about a year, but then I started missing some of the movements I did more frequently before strongman. Then I found CrossFit and now I do it all. If you compete in Strongman contests you owe it to youself to just try one or two CF workouts.

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[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
The versitility make it whatever you need it to be to reach you goals.[/quote]

Doesn’t this statement make Crossfit = everything?

I’m not trying to bash Crossfit here, I truly don’t understand exactly what it is. It seems like everyone has a different definition.

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Again, why? Are you saying I’d become a better strongman training crossfit rather than doing strongman training? How many successful strongman competing today utilize crossfit along with strongman training, rather than simply taking an aspect of crossfit, or simply doing their own conditioning? Would not the law of specificity dictate one would get better at an activity training said activity?

And this is still not answering my question. Say I come to your gym, and say to you “I only have X amount of hours to spend training per week. I want to become stronger and faster.” Do you have me follow crossfit or do you have me follow strongman? If they’re equal, do I just flip a coin, or (big twist) are they actually NOT equal, and in fact different activities that generate different results?

I mean, hell, why not just say “Powerlifting, Olympic Lifting, Strongman, Crossfit, Arm Wrestling, Sex with fat women, marathon running, sprinting, and kite flying all make you better at the other activity, so train them all?” The whole “time” variable here, and usually efficiency is king along with specificity.

I’m not seeing a compelling argument to shoehorn crossfit into another program when thousands of people are out there NOT doing crossfit and doing just fine. [/quote]

Dude, can you become a better strongman by doing squats, deads and bench? Yes. Do those movements constitute powerlifting? Yes. Do Strongmen bench press in competitions? No. Does Powerlifting make you a better strongman? Yes. Should you only powerlift to get good at strongman? No. You need to more than specificity training to get good at Strongman. How do you train to get good at Conans wheel if you don’t have one? Specificity is not always aplicable, especially when most people don’t have many of the apppaatuses(is that a word) to train with.

There are also lots of people DOING CrossFit getting great results.

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
fattymcfatso wrote:
The versitility make it whatever you need it to be to reach you goals.

Doesn’t this statement make Crossfit = everything?

I’m not trying to bash Crossfit here, I truly don’t understand exactly what it is. It seems like everyone has a different definition.[/quote]

Honestly. Yes. CrossFit is just doing everything. It is one of the most difficult things to describe because there is no specificity. What is amazing though is how implementing other forms of training into your routine, you can have tremendous success in your given sport.

Perfect example: Tiger Woods lifts weights and it makes him a better golfer. He wouldn’t do it if it didn’t. The 2 activities don’t seem to be related at all yet somehow it works.

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Fattymcfatso- SO are you saying that if you compared the top cross fitter(who ever the hell that may be) to the top strongman of today(say Mariuz Pudzianowski or Derek Poundstone) that the cross fitter is going to be able to compete head to head with the strongman and do ok… I think not… Why because the strongman does what… He trains for STRONGMAN not EVERYTHING. He is the best at strongman not everything. He trains specifically for strongman.

So how can training cross fit be good for person wanting to be the worlds best strongman. And I know what you said that 99% of the people on here will not be the best But by god that does not mean they cant try and training correctly for the sport(not everytihng) they want to excel at is going to give them much better results at that sport.

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[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:

Honestly. Yes. CrossFit is just doing everything. It is one of the most difficult things to describe because there is no specificity. What is amazing though is how implementing other forms of training into your routine, you can have tremendous success in your given sport.

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This is what irritates me. Crossfit is everything. It’s like if I invented a diet program called “Eat Food” and then talked about how wonderful it is because my diet program involves all food, you simply eat the foods in the amounts you need to achieve your goal.

Anybody who disagrees with my program can shove it, because if they’re eating food, then they’re already following it and I claim responsibility for their accomplishments for creating such a genius program.

That’s why a lot of people don’t like crossfit. The people who preach about it come off as arrogant.

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[quote]im_the_truth_ wrote:
Fattymcfatso- SO are you saying that if you compared the top cross fitter(who ever the hell that may be) to the top strongman of today(say Mariuz Pudzianowski or Derek Poundstone) that the cross fitter is going to be able to compete head to head with the strongman and do ok… I think not… Why because the strongman does what… He trains for STRONGMAN not EVERYTHING. He is the best at strongman not everything. He trains specifically for strongman.

So how can training cross fit be good for person wanting to be the worlds best strongman. And I know what you said that 99% of the people on here will not be the best But by god that does not mean they cant try and training correctly for the sport(not everytihng) they want to excel at is going to give them much better results at that sport. [/quote]

I am not saying no to train strongman, if you are a competitor. By the way can someone please clarify what they think strongman is specificaly, and how they think they should train for it? And please demonstrate the specificity.

There is no way the worlds best CrossFitter: Jason Khalipa could hold a candle to any of the wsm competitors. I know that, we all do. If you read my original post You can see what I mean when I compare sm and cf.

Did you see Phil Phister’s training video for when he WON the wsm in 06’. Watch that video and then talk to me about sport specific training.