[quote]Eielson wrote:
GetSwole wrote:
Its about experience guy.
Oh, well then basically all posters on here should shut up. I mean, T-Nation authors have way more experience training themselves and others.[/quote]
Understand this, aside from professional athletes that they train (read: genetically gifted) I’ll bet 90% of their clients are looking for fat loss or to get fit. So they no doubt have tons of experience there.
Show me their clients they have helped been large amounts of muscle on.
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Trainers like Charles Glass may not be as big as they were when competing,…but they WERE and everyone knows it. That isn’t in the same ball park as someone who NEVER got big.
But Glass still looks fucking awesome either way. He’s one dense motherfucker… [/quote]
Likewise, I am sure most of us could tell in a heart beat whether the older guy in front of us had actually been really big before even if they were smaller now.
Someone who has never even experienced what eating like I have to feels like is speaking from theory unless they have single handedly helped put 50-80lbs of lean body mass on someone.
[quote]GetSwole wrote:
Go look at current pictures of 62 year old Frank Zane, or the many over-60 bodybuilders competing in masters divisions…they prove what you said is just plain incorrect.
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Huh? Did you read that before posting it? I said many coaches -i.e. people with experience and knowledge - are out of shape themselves, which in no way prevents them from training others well. I’ll be the first to admit that I don’t have hard evidence to back this observation up. However, from looking at coaches standing on the sidelines at the majority of sporting events, this is the conclusion I’ve reached.
I also stated that one can only be at a physical peak for so long. Which of these statements do you think is “just plain incorrect”? Re-visit my original post and try again.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Danny John doesn’t. Dave Tate doesn’t, does he? My friend’s old man is damn near 70 and looks better from his training and he has a multi-level fusion in his back. [/quote]
Dave Tate appears to be more focused on his own training than training others. By Dan John, are you talking about the discus thrower? I agree, he is in good shape for ~50. I’m still sticking to my guns though… Which is to say, many other coaches better - or, perhaps, simply more dedicated to coaching - than himself are out of shape. e.g. Vesteinn Hafsteinsson, who does not appear to be in good shape for his age. (He’s not that old though)
[quote]Professor X wrote:
It wasn’t meant like that but I also understand why people respond that way. I personally would not go to someone who was not well developed for advice unless they were known for getting really big bodybuilders in shape and even bigger.
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Agreed. The parallel I made probably wasn’t fair, as the authors are generally still young. I actually had Alwyn specifically in mind when writing, as he appears to be of above-average age, hence me thinking he might have incurred injuries/peaked profesionally in the past. I know embarassingly little about him.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
That does not seem to be the case here.
I’m not average and my goal is not average. It seems people like that aren’t even considered to be relevant on this site.
Trainers like Charles Glass may not be as big as they were when competing,…but they WERE and everyone knows it. That isn’t in the same ball park as someone who NEVER got big.[/quote]
I guess that it would be tough to keep the site interesting to the majority while catering to people like yourself. If this is the case, perhaps the T-Cell direction is a move on T-Nation’s behalf to introduce a section for people like you. I’ve never been to the T-Cell Alpha forum, but I hope that’s the case; it would be a shame if we started losing experienced posters because material is lacking.
Well, my experience with AC’s writings goes beyond just seeing his physique. I own “New Rules of Lifting” and didn’t benefit much from any of the programs in there either physique-wise or strength-wise. Then, I did “starting strength” and viola, my squat and DL went up by 100 pounds in a couple of months. I’m not trying to piss anyone off here, but if the guy doesn’t look the part (has he ever?) and hasn’t benefited me with his knowledge, I don’t think I ought to listen to him further.
The thing for a newb is to figure out who to listen to. So far, I’ve got a short list.
[quote]DickBag wrote:
i love it.[/quote]
x2
You said:
I also stated that one can only be at a physical peak for so long. Which of these statements do you think is “just plain incorrect”? Re-visit my original post and try again.
Well I was referring to this one. And I suppose if we wanna use the word peak and play semantics you are correct, but I took as you were implying that people can only look good, and strong like they train for so long.
So there, I concede, if we wanna use the word PEAK in its truest sense. My point was that the idea of someone being out of shape even though they used to be great is needless.
[quote]DickBag wrote:
rainjack sometimes your posts are so aggresive that i cant help laughing.
its like the anger busts out of no where
i love it.
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It’s not anger. I just have no patience when it comes to mush-for-brain kids, regardless of how many fucking math classes they’ve had.
[quote]DickBag wrote:
analog_kid wrote:
I have an opinion. Someone on the internet disagrees with said opinion. Now I kill you.
i really like the bench press set up in your avator bro, its solid[/quote]
Yeah…I’m up to 4 plates on that beast. grunt Except the bench fucking collapsed under me on my last workout so now I’m fucked.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Eielson wrote:
I can’t know anything because I’m 15?
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding!!!
You should have stopped right there. The rest of your post just proves that my advice to you should have been listened to.
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RJ, you should be so happy you don’t have to be around my classmates everyday.
Sometimes I feel like I’m the only one who won’t blurt out every malformed though that comes out of my head. OP you’re 6’3" and 200ish pounds. Shut up when peoples who’s training age is equal to your life age tell you something. There’s valuable knowledge to be had if you don’t act like a dipshit…too much. Learn this now, before these guys rip you appart more, like they ripped me apart when I first joined here.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
To the OP, I’ll tell you like I tell my kids: Shut the fuck up until someone pulls your chain. No on likes a mouthy brat.
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You seriously tell them that?
Wow.
[quote]Otep wrote:
rainjack wrote:
To the OP, I’ll tell you like I tell my kids: Shut the fuck up until someone pulls your chain. No on likes a mouthy brat.
You seriously tell them that?
Wow.[/quote]
Thats what I call good parenting. Too many sissy-pants parents who want to be “friends” with their kids… which only ends in disaster and the kids running roughshud and basically turning into gigantic douchebags which explains many kids these days. But I’ll stop before I turn this into a full blown rant:)
[quote]Otep wrote:
rainjack wrote:
To the OP, I’ll tell you like I tell my kids: Shut the fuck up until someone pulls your chain. No on likes a mouthy brat.
You seriously tell them that?
Wow.[/quote]
Take out the f-bomb, and that’s pretty much word for word what I tell them.
lmfao this kid probaly hasnt even achieved full puberty yet and hes talking about how bulking can affect your insulin sensitivity like he evens knows shit about it. dude youre fucking 15, thats cool youre into lifting at a young age and shit but you need to calm the fuck down because you dont know wtf youre talking about and you sound like a damn idiot. i hope to god all these recent posts from idiots are really trolls because it makes my head hurt to think theres people as pathetic as you in real life.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Otep wrote:
rainjack wrote:
To the OP, I’ll tell you like I tell my kids: Shut the fuck up until someone pulls your chain. No on likes a mouthy brat.
You seriously tell them that?
Wow.
Take out the f-bomb, and that’s pretty much word for word what I tell them. [/quote]
Ditto (on the taking out the f-bomb). I’ve told such things to my kids and have disciplined them through the years. They are all emotionally stable and socially well adjusted, though they still need to listen more than they speak 
jpb
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Enough of this ab lobster stupidity.
Reality says 9 out of 10 people on this site lift to score pussy, it’s not like they’re going on stage to earn millions in endorsements – very few really love the iron.
Judging from posts in other forums, most of you bastards couldn’t get laid in a whorehouse with $5,000 in your pocket. All the training in the world isn’t going to fix that problem.
Make little/no progress year after year with your “perfect” diets, fretting like a woman over every calorie – at least you have that “killer sixpack” that women will flock to… at some unknown time in the future.
Lift some fucking weight, eat a steak, go to sleep.
regardless if i get on a BBing stage or not i wouldnt be comfortable with myself dieted down at a really low weight. if you can be happy with that then great for you but i kinda expect more out of myself.
turns out most girls would rather go for a 200+lb guy dieted down w/ abs than a 150lb guy dieted down w/ abs. if you want to be that 150 lbs guy thats cool but you should get off this fucking site because its a god damn bodybuilding site. if you have no aspiration to get bigger then what could you possibly offer this site. yes this has been said a million times but unfortunately people still dont get it.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
turns out most girls would rather go for a 200+lb guy dieted down w/ abs than a 150lb guy dieted down w/ abs. if you want to be that 150 lbs guy thats cool but you should get off this fucking site because its a god damn bodybuilding site.[/quote]
I rarely agree with you, but this is one of those times where I have to say I agree.
Actually i have a question concerning this bulking thing. I thought that strength primarily came from your CNS. So how does bulking contribute to your CNS? I understand that more muscle = stronger but why would someone who bulks compared to someone who doesnt become stronger quicker if its high intensity low rep aimed at strength?
[quote]blazindave wrote:
Actually i have a question concerning this bulking thing. I thought that strength primarily came from your CNS. So how does bulking contribute to your CNS? I understand that more muscle = stronger but why would someone who bulks compared to someone who doesnt become stronger quicker if its high intensity low rep aimed at strength?[/quote]
Who’s talking about strength? It’s about putting on mass as fast as possible.
The more mass you put on, the stronger you get.
It’s really not that complicated.
[quote]blazindave wrote:
Actually i have a question concerning this bulking thing. I thought that strength primarily came from your CNS. So how does bulking contribute to your CNS? I understand that more muscle = stronger but why would someone who bulks compared to someone who doesnt become stronger quicker if its high intensity low rep aimed at strength?[/quote]