Steroids: Why or Why Not?

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

You realize getting caught by law enforcement isn’t the only or main reason legality is an issue right? Some people are in or going into federal law enforcement. It’s not that they are afraid of getting caught by the cops in some random drug bust, it’s that it’s not worth the risk of possibly ruining their career or keeping them from obtaining their desired career.

I’m with you on the cost. Indigo-3G + Anaconda + Surge + MAG-10 + Brain Candy + Power Drive. I’m afraid to do the addition.

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I’m aware. I’ve also seen cops injecting at one my local gyms, so I know there are those that continue using. But the career field wouldn’t really matter. I’d say most good careers look down upon a background check that includes possession, but the base rate for getting caught is so low that the risk is pretty much non-existant.[/quote]

So because you know a few local cops that inject, people shouldn’t worry about steroids hurting their chance of geeting in. C’mon man.
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Well, then there’s the rest of my last post. The cop thing was just an anecdote, so if it muddied my point, let’s pretend it didn’t exist. The main thesis here is the likelihood of getting caught using steroids is so low that the career in question doesn’t even matter. We’re talking outliers the percentage is so low. If that’s enough of a deterrent, then that’s OK. But I still don’t think it’s reasonable to call that a major risk.

Way mentioned the polygraph test; a buddy of mine just went through the screening process here in Lexington, and they don’t specify steroids. How many applicants do you think have never used an illegal drug? Not to mention a decent liar could answer yes without too much worry considering there are legal avenues of obtaining steroids.

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No New Figure Athletes?legality I meant the branch off of issues it creates on its own, not necessarily that it brings risk of arrest for possession…

Illegal drugs = cannot just go buy them. Not everyone has a source, not everyone knows how to find a source, let alone a good, reliable one that sells clean substances at a decent price. Like finding a good source for some weed except less popular, more expensive, and riskier(I’m willing to cede that last point I guess, there can be some terrible side effects to getting some impure grass, but it’s at least equal).

Homebrewing isn’t always an option either. While hiding injections from a roommate/family/whoever the fuck you live with is probably fairly easy, hiding the actual making of your steroids would be a little more complicated, and also looks a whole lot worse(not that it should, but it does); that’s not a conversation a lot of people want to have, and also could lead to the actual legal troubles discussed above if it turns out who you live with is not cool with it.

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Out of curiosity, HeavyTriple, what is it that you do for a living?

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what do you guys think about the stigma of being “on steroids”? most people think they know lots about steriods, yet there opinions match up exactly with what elvenmag said. although im in the same boat as maiden (wanting to do law enforcement) i think the biggest reason i would not use is because the labels that go with using. i wish people werent so fucking stupid

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[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
what do you guys think about the stigma of being “on steroids”? most people think they know lots about steriods, yet there opinions match up exactly with what elvenmag said. although im in the same boat as maiden (wanting to do law enforcement) i think the biggest reason i would not use is because the labels that go with using. i wish people werent so fucking stupid[/quote]

If you have any amount of size and definition to begin with, then many people are going to think you’re using, anyway.

Why are you concerned with what other people think?

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:
Would be cool if Waylander could give us a some of his thoughts as to why he chose too. I feel like we have alot of people against it but hardly anybody who has used has posted yet.[/quote]

There’s really nothing left to add, it’s just a risk vs reward thing.

As far as side effects go?

Balding? If you have a high concentration of 5a-Reductase enzymes in your scalp, which is entirely genetic, you WILL go bald. Steroids will just make that happen faster. If you do not have this you won’t lose your hair.

High hematocrit levels? Any sane person monitors blood levels. If it gets high, give blood. Simple as that.

Tren cough? Sure it’s an uncomfortable feeling. Take a few deep breaths through your nose and the feeling goes away quickly.

Hands numb from gh? This is typical from higher dose uses or impure products. It’s not hard to get around this.

I feel that the sides are very overstated and people tend to make them sound scary, when in reality any intelligent user should know how to deal with them.

As far as staying on all the time? That’s a personal choice, and you’re certainly capable of cycling/taking time off if you choose. Plenty of my friends do exactly that. If you do stay on all the time. Be smart. Use cruise periods to allow your bloodwork to normalize as much as possible and get regular blood work to remain as healthy as possible Once again, this is all obvious.

So many every day life choices carry just as much risk as steroids, but people choose to live in fear. Do you drink alcohol on a regular basis? Smoke cigarettes? Eat regularly at fast food joints? Drink full sugar soda?

All of those choices carry just as much potential risk for health complications as does the use of steroids. It’s all relative.

I love bodybuilding, my dad owns an HRT clinc, monitors my bloodwork and I want to look like an IFBB pro.

I won’t even get in to the countless studies done on just how effective HRT is in aging populations: the use of gh and testosterone to greatly improve quality of life and physical function. Either way, I’m of the belief that everyone should be “on steroids” at some point in there life solely for this reason. They are just to awesome to ignore.

Many of the older guys here who complain about legality could surely get an HRT script if they put in the effort.[/quote]

A) You sandbagging son of a bitch. That’s a nice connection.

B) The “legality” and “expense” arguments are easily my favorite. I have a hard time believing cops are going hard after buyers of steroids, and of all the steroid users I’ve met, I’ve never heard of a single person getting busted for possessing the amount you would see with non-dealers.

Expense? L.O.L. The same people who spend hundreds of dollars on Biotest supplements can’t afford 200 for a full cycle? My ass. I swear to God if one I3G user made that claim I’ll lose my mind. [/quote]

You realize getting caught by law enforcement isn’t the only or main reason legality is an issue right? Some people are in or going into federal law enforcement. It’s not that they are afraid of getting caught by the cops in some random drug bust, it’s that it’s not worth the risk of possibly ruining their career or keeping them from obtaining their desired career.

I’m with you on the cost. I-3G + Anoconda + Surge + MAG-10 + brain candy + powerdrive. I’m afraid to do the addition.

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I wonder how many people who posted legality as a reason in this thread are law enforcement or plan on going into law enforcement?

My guess? Uhhhhh about zero.

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Well, without getting into it, you are wrong. I think a few are pretty obvious. I myself am going through a background check. Not to mention those in the military that have get randomly drug tested every year, get their barracks rooms randomly inspected, etc. Saying legality shouldn’t be an issue because it has no effect on YOUR career/job is just rediculous.
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I know law enforcement has to take a polygraph and one of the questions asked is “when was the last time you used illegal drugs?” and usually if you have sold them.

Are you saying you are going through this process? If so, sure, I understand your situation. A regular back ground check is not going to delve into this.

Like I said, I get the legal issue. However, unless you are selling the chances of being caught are not high.

How does the sport of bodybuilding even exist if the personal use of steroids was a highly prosecuted crime? You think if they won’t bust some NPC national competitor that they’re going to bust some joe schmoe for having 20 ml’s laying around for personal use?

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Yes a polygraph will be part of that.

I understand it’s not a highly prosecuted crime for personal use. Shit, you could say the same thing about any recreational drug. That does not mean someone is unjustified in not wanting to take the risk, no matter how small it may be, of putting their career in jeopordy.

Beleive me I am not trying to pass judgment on people that use. It’s a fucking requirement at certain levels of this sport and others. Even for someone that doesn’t compete at the highest level I understand the reasoning (which are many) for taking them.

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[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
what do you guys think about the stigma of being “on steroids”? most people think they know lots about steriods, yet there opinions match up exactly with what elvenmag said. although im in the same boat as maiden (wanting to do law enforcement) i think the biggest reason i would not use is because the labels that go with using. i wish people werent so fucking stupid[/quote]

If you have any amount of size and definition to begin with, then many people are going to think you’re using, anyway.

Why are you concerned with what other people think?[/quote]
good point, i guess my answer is because those same people make up a lot of my friend group :frowning:

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[quote]anonym wrote:
Out of curiosity, HeavyTriple, what is it that you do for a living?[/quote]

Same thing you do ;).

Edit: For the record, my GA position required a background check, as did my undergrad jobs on campus. I certainly would not have been hired if I had a record of drug possession, but then again I’m not using any illegal drugs, so I guess I’m debating hypothetically.

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

You realize getting caught by law enforcement isn’t the only or main reason legality is an issue right? Some people are in or going into federal law enforcement. It’s not that they are afraid of getting caught by the cops in some random drug bust, it’s that it’s not worth the risk of possibly ruining their career or keeping them from obtaining their desired career.

I’m with you on the cost. Indigo-3G + Anaconda + Surge + MAG-10 + Brain Candy + Power Drive. I’m afraid to do the addition.

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I’m aware. I’ve also seen cops injecting at one my local gyms, so I know there are those that continue using. But the career field wouldn’t really matter. I’d say most good careers look down upon a background check that includes possession, but the base rate for getting caught is so low that the risk is pretty much non-existant.[/quote]

So because you know a few local cops that inject, people shouldn’t worry about steroids hurting their chance of geeting in. C’mon man.
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Well, then there’s the rest of my last post. The cop thing was just an anecdote, so if it muddied my point, let’s pretend it didn’t exist. The main thesis here is the likelihood of getting caught using steroids is so low that the career in question doesn’t even matter. We’re talking outliers the percentage is so low. If that’s enough of a deterrent, then that’s OK. But I still don’t think it’s reasonable to call that a major risk.

Way mentioned the polygraph test; a buddy of mine just went through the screening process here in Lexington, and they don’t specify steroids. How many applicants do you think have never used an illegal drug? Not to mention a decent liar could answer yes without too much worry considering there are legal avenues of obtaining steroids.[/quote]

And the chances of getting caught using cocaine, marijuana, meth, etc. are pretty low aswell. My point isn’t whether someone can get in while using illegal drugs, it is that some people would rather not take the risk at all which I think should be pretty understandable. I could give a fuck if some cop out in Lexington made it through on whatever drug by being a good liar, doesn’t mean I or anyone else should take that risk when they don;t need to.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

And the chances of getting caught using cocaine, marijuana, meth, etc. are pretty low aswell. My point isn’t whether someone can get in while using illegal drugs, it is that some people would rather not take the risk at all which I think should be pretty understandable. I could give a fuck if some cop out in Lexington made it through on whatever drug by being a good liar, doesn’t mean I or anyone else should take that risk when they don;t need to.[/quote]

Which is a point I acknowledged. Again, if you’re willing to base such a decision on the infinitesimal chance of getting caught, then fine. But I reserve the right to question it as a legitimate risk.

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:
Out of curiosity, HeavyTriple, what is it that you do for a living?[/quote]

Same thing you do ;).[/quote]

Do you feel that the statistical risk of being caught using/possessing steroids isn’t the only factor that comes into play when questioning the legality of using?

For example, take three people:

  1. Single gas station attendant with no education beyond HS.
  2. Guy with Bachelor’s degree, wife/2.5 kids, white picket fence and mortgage
  3. Recent medical school graduate, 100k+ in debt and with 4+ years of post-undergrad education

The more you have going on in your life that can be taken away by a possession charge, the more significant those statistics might seem.

The chances of getting busted might be .01%… but, to the married man, what happens to his wife/kids/house if he is “that” guy who gets caught and loses his job? What happens to the MD who is faced with the distinct possibility that he might have to spend the next few years paying his student loans off with the money he makes delivering pizzas as he searches for a hospital/clinic whose HR manager is a little more relaxed about drug convictions?

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Please show me genuine research proving that advanced protein powders, can add more muscle mass, compared to eating the same amount of protein from whole foods? All this talk that ‘supplements aren’t natural’ might hold some truth, except for the fact that they don’t make any real difference, compared to real food. If any supplement(s) really had anything like steroidal impact, then 1) steroids would be obsolete and 2) supplement companies wouldn’t need to keep developing the latest ‘magic pill’.

I’m waiting :slight_smile:

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[quote]evo2008 wrote:

protein powder
highly advanced

Pick one.

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

And the chances of getting caught using cocaine, marijuana, meth, etc. are pretty low aswell. My point isn’t whether someone can get in while using illegal drugs, it is that some people would rather not take the risk at all which I think should be pretty understandable. I could give a fuck if some cop out in Lexington made it through on whatever drug by being a good liar, doesn’t mean I or anyone else should take that risk when they don;t need to.[/quote]

Which is a point I acknowledged. Again, if you’re willing to base such a decision on the infinitesimal chance of getting caught, then fine. But I reserve the right to question it as a legitimate risk.[/quote]

You have the right to question whatever you want, and I reserve the right to question your questioning. See how that works? = a discussion.

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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]evo2008 wrote:

protein powder
highly advanced

Pick one.[/quote]

Na uhhh Biotest has both.

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Glad this actually turned into a good thread. Good info.

I do think that with proper research and applicaiton many of the side effects can be mitigated. At doses used in the first couple cycles side effects will be very minimal as long as research is done and you have on hand what is needed if a side effect starts to appear.

The legality is certainly the largest issue and anonym brings up a good point about those who have a lot more to lose.

I am hoping they will be legalized sometime. Seems very ridiculous that they are illegal. Also hope everyone can see through some of the posts that are just plain stupid and ignorant

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

And the chances of getting caught using cocaine, marijuana, meth, etc. are pretty low aswell. My point isn’t whether someone can get in while using illegal drugs, it is that some people would rather not take the risk at all which I think should be pretty understandable. I could give a fuck if some cop out in Lexington made it through on whatever drug by being a good liar, doesn’t mean I or anyone else should take that risk when they don;t need to.[/quote]

Which is a point I acknowledged. Again, if you’re willing to base such a decision on the infinitesimal chance of getting caught, then fine. But I reserve the right to question it as a legitimate risk.[/quote]

You have the right to question whatever you want, and I reserve the right to question your questioning. See how that works? = a discussion.
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You must never have smoked weed. many many people get busted for pot.

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I will say that the legal issue is one that I completely understand. I’m more arguing against the so called terrible sides/health effects.

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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:
Out of curiosity, HeavyTriple, what is it that you do for a living?[/quote]

Same thing you do ;).[/quote]

Do you feel that the statistical risk of being caught using/possessing steroids isn’t the only factor that comes into play when questioning the legality of using?

For example, take three people:

  1. Single gas station attendant with no education beyond HS.
  2. Guy with Bachelor’s degree, wife/2.5 kids, white picket fence and mortgage
  3. Recent medical school graduate, 100k+ in debt and with 4+ years of post-undergrad education

The more you have going on in your life that can be taken away by a possession charge, the more significant those statistics might seem.

The chances of getting busted might be .01%… but, to the married man, what happens to his wife/kids/house if he is “that” guy who gets caught and loses his job? What happens to the MD who is faced with the distinct possibility that he might have to spend the next few years paying his student loans off with the money he makes delivering pizzas as he searches for a hospital/clinic whose HR manager is a little more relaxed about drug convictions?[/quote]

I’m very much aware of those things and took into account all ranges of the economic spectrum when I made my original point, which is why I said “the career is irrelevant.” Again this is why I said I can understand the perspective while still finding it questionable. People use that same logic when they refuse to fly. I don’t.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

And the chances of getting caught using cocaine, marijuana, meth, etc. are pretty low aswell. My point isn’t whether someone can get in while using illegal drugs, it is that some people would rather not take the risk at all which I think should be pretty understandable. I could give a fuck if some cop out in Lexington made it through on whatever drug by being a good liar, doesn’t mean I or anyone else should take that risk when they don;t need to.[/quote]

Which is a point I acknowledged. Again, if you’re willing to base such a decision on the infinitesimal chance of getting caught, then fine. But I reserve the right to question it as a legitimate risk.[/quote]

You have the right to question whatever you want, and I reserve the right to question your questioning. See how that works? = a discussion.
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Well, you may want to read and digest the entire post before commenting, then. Because so far you seem to be rehashing points I’ve acknowledged. That =/= good discussion.