Steroids: Why or Why Not?

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Too many downsides for me. Also, I’m not, nor have I ever been, interested in looking like an IFBB pro. So, for a guy who’ll be happy at 205 - 215 and 10% at 5’9" there’s no reason to use. Sure, it would make it a LOT easier, but there are too many potential problems IMO.

  1. Decreased natural test production (yes, it can be mitigated, but guys who are on without a break for YEARS eventually fuck their endogenous test production)

  2. Illegality - now, I do not equate morality with legality, but the risk of getting busted is not worth it to me.

  3. Side effects - now, I know we have people on this very site who know more than board-certified Endocrinologists, and are steroid experts regarding every possible compound and its effects (and side effects) despite never having used steroids themselves, and despite the ridicule I might invite by offending people that clearly have a much better understanding than me (or actual physicians - hell, med school can’t be that tough, right?) I will say that there can be many, many negative effects of steroid use. Yes, again these can be mitigated, but acting like these incredibly powerful hormones are on the same risk level as drinking a cup of tea is maybe, just maybe, a little cavalier to say the least?

Things like injection site infections, high hematocrit leading to kidney and liver problems, “Tren cough” GH “flu” - difficulty sleeping, terrible night sweats, numbness in the extremities (usually from GH use), possible stroke or heart attack.

Now, I know I’ll be accused of being a dumb sheep listening to the media bias on steroids, but to that I say go and read a REAL steroid board - one with national level competitors posting regular threads (and I do read extensively on several of those boards (but of course I can’t mention it here, or link to it) - and you’ll see endless threads about all manner of whacky shit, including the above mentioned side effects - real people, real experiences. I’d say there’s been around 6 heart attacks and 3 strokes in the last year of regular members on the board I’m talking about.

Of course, out comes the excuse train (they were stupid, their heart attack/stroke had NOTHING to do with steroid use - yea, right - except that it did) because people DO NOT want to hear something that contradicts what they believe - you can tell because they immediately get furious and start getting REAL nasty, because they are of course, on the defensive at that point.

Do steroids work? FUCK YEA they work, and they work very well. But acting like they’re completely harmless is utterly ridiculous. These are POWERFUL drugs, and don’t bullshit yourself that they’re not. So that’s my biggest reason - not interested in taking the risk.
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Well, im glad you didn’t list HIV and hepatitis as side effects like government websites do. However, this post does indeed make you look like a sheep.

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[quote]optheta wrote:
Would be cool if Waylander could give us a some of his thoughts as to why he chose too. I feel like we have alot of people against it but hardly anybody who has used has posted yet.[/quote]

There’s really nothing left to add, it’s just a risk vs reward thing.

As far as side effects go?

Balding? If you have a high concentration of 5a-Reductase enzymes in your scalp, which is entirely genetic, you WILL go bald. Steroids will just make that happen faster. If you do not have this you won’t lose your hair.

High hematocrit levels? Any sane person monitors blood levels. If it gets high, give blood. Simple as that.

Tren cough? Sure it’s an uncomfortable feeling. Take a few deep breaths through your nose and the feeling goes away quickly.

Hands numb from gh? This is typical from higher dose uses or impure products. It’s not hard to get around this.

I feel that the sides are very overstated and people tend to make them sound scary, when in reality any intelligent user should know how to deal with them.

As far as staying on all the time? That’s a personal choice, and you’re certainly capable of cycling/taking time off if you choose. Plenty of my friends do exactly that. If you do stay on all the time. Be smart. Use cruise periods to allow your bloodwork to normalize as much as possible and get regular blood work to remain as healthy as possible Once again, this is all obvious.

So many every day life choices carry just as much risk as steroids, but people choose to live in fear. Do you drink alcohol on a regular basis? Smoke cigarettes? Eat regularly at fast food joints? Drink full sugar soda?

All of those choices carry just as much potential risk for health complications as does the use of steroids. It’s all relative.

I love bodybuilding, my dad owns an HRT clinc, monitors my bloodwork and I want to look like an IFBB pro.

I won’t even get in to the countless studies done on just how effective HRT is in aging populations: the use of gh and testosterone to greatly improve quality of life and physical function. Either way, I’m of the belief that everyone should be “on steroids” at some point in there life solely for this reason. They are just to awesome to ignore.

Many of the older guys here who complain about legality could surely get an HRT script if they put in the effort.

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Oh and the tren night sweats…this can be mitigated by using test in a 1:2 ratio with tren. While purely anecdotal it has greatly reduced side effects for many people. Also pinning ED (which most people don’t) to keep blood levels from being all over the place can also help reduce the occurence of this.

However, I don’t understand this thought process. Part of the reason you don’t want to use a drug is because it makes you SWEATY?!

That makes about as much sense as someone telling me they don’t want to workout because it makes them sweaty.

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Are we talking about responsible use? Or, abuse?

There’s quite a bit of difference between the corporate executive that takes 500mg of test and EQ a week, than the competitive bodybuilder who just uses that during a period of cruising.

Not to mention that some people can handle steroids better than others. Some people can grow on very little, while others can handle a shitload of them and not have a whole lot of side effects.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:
Would be cool if Waylander could give us a some of his thoughts as to why he chose too. I feel like we have alot of people against it but hardly anybody who has used has posted yet.[/quote]

There’s really nothing left to add, it’s just a risk vs reward thing.

As far as side effects go?

Balding? If you have a high concentration of 5a-Reductase enzymes in your scalp, which is entirely genetic, you WILL go bald. Steroids will just make that happen faster. If you do not have this you won’t lose your hair.

High hematocrit levels? Any sane person monitors blood levels. If it gets high, give blood. Simple as that.

Tren cough? Sure it’s an uncomfortable feeling. Take a few deep breaths through your nose and the feeling goes away quickly.

Hands numb from gh? This is typical from higher dose uses or impure products. It’s not hard to get around this.

I feel that the sides are very overstated and people tend to make them sound scary, when in reality any intelligent user should know how to deal with them.

As far as staying on all the time? That’s a personal choice, and you’re certainly capable of cycling/taking time off if you choose. Plenty of my friends do exactly that. If you do stay on all the time. Be smart. Use cruise periods to allow your bloodwork to normalize as much as possible and get regular blood work to remain as healthy as possible Once again, this is all obvious.

So many every day life choices carry just as much risk as steroids, but people choose to live in fear. Do you drink alcohol on a regular basis? Smoke cigarettes? Eat regularly at fast food joints? Drink full sugar soda?

All of those choices carry just as much potential risk for health complications as does the use of steroids. It’s all relative.

I love bodybuilding, my dad owns an HRT clinc, monitors my bloodwork and I want to look like an IFBB pro.

I won’t even get in to the countless studies done on just how effective HRT is in aging populations: the use of gh and testosterone to greatly improve quality of life and physical function. Either way, I’m of the belief that everyone should be “on steroids” at some point in there life solely for this reason. They are just to awesome to ignore.

Many of the older guys here who complain about legality could surely get an HRT script if they put in the effort.[/quote]

A) You sandbagging son of a bitch. That’s a nice connection.

B) The “legality” and “expense” arguments are easily my favorite. I have a hard time believing cops are going hard after buyers of steroids, and of all the steroid users I’ve met, I’ve never heard of a single person getting busted for possessing the amount you would see with non-dealers.

Expense? L.O.L. The same people who spend hundreds of dollars on Biotest supplements can’t afford 200 for a full cycle? My ass. I swear to God if one I3G user made that claim I’ll lose my mind.

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Also, do you guys think that a lot of the “big” natty guys on this board who carry in excess of 20% bodyfat while bulking, are healthy? Or if this is a healthy choice?

I mean if we’re talking about health risks…

Serious question.

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I just love all 8000+ post of waylander!

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:
Would be cool if Waylander could give us a some of his thoughts as to why he chose too. I feel like we have alot of people against it but hardly anybody who has used has posted yet.[/quote]

There’s really nothing left to add, it’s just a risk vs reward thing.

As far as side effects go?

Balding? If you have a high concentration of 5a-Reductase enzymes in your scalp, which is entirely genetic, you WILL go bald. Steroids will just make that happen faster. If you do not have this you won’t lose your hair.

High hematocrit levels? Any sane person monitors blood levels. If it gets high, give blood. Simple as that.

Tren cough? Sure it’s an uncomfortable feeling. Take a few deep breaths through your nose and the feeling goes away quickly.

Hands numb from gh? This is typical from higher dose uses or impure products. It’s not hard to get around this.

I feel that the sides are very overstated and people tend to make them sound scary, when in reality any intelligent user should know how to deal with them.

As far as staying on all the time? That’s a personal choice, and you’re certainly capable of cycling/taking time off if you choose. Plenty of my friends do exactly that. If you do stay on all the time. Be smart. Use cruise periods to allow your bloodwork to normalize as much as possible and get regular blood work to remain as healthy as possible Once again, this is all obvious.

So many every day life choices carry just as much risk as steroids, but people choose to live in fear. Do you drink alcohol on a regular basis? Smoke cigarettes? Eat regularly at fast food joints? Drink full sugar soda?

All of those choices carry just as much potential risk for health complications as does the use of steroids. It’s all relative.

I love bodybuilding, my dad owns an HRT clinc, monitors my bloodwork and I want to look like an IFBB pro.

I won’t even get in to the countless studies done on just how effective HRT is in aging populations: the use of gh and testosterone to greatly improve quality of life and physical function. Either way, I’m of the belief that everyone should be “on steroids” at some point in there life solely for this reason. They are just to awesome to ignore.

Many of the older guys here who complain about legality could surely get an HRT script if they put in the effort.[/quote]

A) You sandbagging son of a bitch. That’s a nice connection.

B) The “legality” and “expense” arguments are easily my favorite. I have a hard time believing cops are going hard after buyers of steroids, and of all the steroid users I’ve met, I’ve never heard of a single person getting busted for possessing the amount you would see with non-dealers.

Expense? L.O.L. The same people who spend hundreds of dollars on Biotest supplements can’t afford 200 for a full cycle? My ass. I swear to God if one I3G user made that claim I’ll lose my mind. [/quote]

haha. Yah…I know dozens of steroid users, none of whom have ever been busted. Personal use? VERY unlikely to ever have a run in with the law. Selling them in large quantities? More risk. Once again, an obvious answer.

Indigo is 1.5-2x more expensive, per day, then some of the best HGH around on the black market lol.

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The biggest thing that bothers me, and maybe someone can confirm here as from my understanding you need to have an established reputation to get good answers from the folks in the Steroid forum, is that once you’ve surpassed your body’s ability to sustain a certain size, you have to stay on AS in order to keep what you worked hard for.

This to me is both a big surprise and disappointment. I always though you could cycle a few times, get bigger, and as long as you continued to feed your body as you did when you gained the size, it will stay. Apparently that is not the case (I hope I misunderstood my reading thus far). As such, unless you are planning to compete, want to look good for a short period then get off, or don’t mind the returning to normal, you have to stay on.

I didn’t truly realize this until you look at some of the former greats and how they are today - Yates, still big, but no where near his former size, probably stopped juicing, or to the degree; Arnold, got saggy as hell when he quit, believe he’s back on now and will start to bulk again as acting is back in his sites; I believe the list continues but you get the point.

If you stay on to keep the gain, are you now fully dependent on AS to sustain the quality of life you’ve enjoyed (including sex, etc.)?

Waylander, I think you are incredibly fortunate to have someone with as much experience monitoring your progress. I think a large number of people would be willing to pay for such a piece of mind (especially from what I gather here in this thread). Good post on the sides. I do believe though that not everything can be predicted or “prepared for.” I believe even in your beginning you had a scare that could have gone horribly bad. I think that involves anything new that incurs a degree of risk (what doesn’t these days?).

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:
Would be cool if Waylander could give us a some of his thoughts as to why he chose too. I feel like we have alot of people against it but hardly anybody who has used has posted yet.[/quote]

There’s really nothing left to add, it’s just a risk vs reward thing.

As far as side effects go?

Balding? If you have a high concentration of 5a-Reductase enzymes in your scalp, which is entirely genetic, you WILL go bald. Steroids will just make that happen faster. If you do not have this you won’t lose your hair.

High hematocrit levels? Any sane person monitors blood levels. If it gets high, give blood. Simple as that.

Tren cough? Sure it’s an uncomfortable feeling. Take a few deep breaths through your nose and the feeling goes away quickly.

Hands numb from gh? This is typical from higher dose uses or impure products. It’s not hard to get around this.

I feel that the sides are very overstated and people tend to make them sound scary, when in reality any intelligent user should know how to deal with them.

As far as staying on all the time? That’s a personal choice, and you’re certainly capable of cycling/taking time off if you choose. Plenty of my friends do exactly that. If you do stay on all the time. Be smart. Use cruise periods to allow your bloodwork to normalize as much as possible and get regular blood work to remain as healthy as possible Once again, this is all obvious.

So many every day life choices carry just as much risk as steroids, but people choose to live in fear. Do you drink alcohol on a regular basis? Smoke cigarettes? Eat regularly at fast food joints? Drink full sugar soda?

All of those choices carry just as much potential risk for health complications as does the use of steroids. It’s all relative.

I love bodybuilding, my dad owns an HRT clinc, monitors my bloodwork and I want to look like an IFBB pro.

I won’t even get in to the countless studies done on just how effective HRT is in aging populations: the use of gh and testosterone to greatly improve quality of life and physical function. Either way, I’m of the belief that everyone should be “on steroids” at some point in there life solely for this reason. They are just to awesome to ignore.

Many of the older guys here who complain about legality could surely get an HRT script if they put in the effort.[/quote]

A) You sandbagging son of a bitch. That’s a nice connection.

B) The “legality” and “expense” arguments are easily my favorite. I have a hard time believing cops are going hard after buyers of steroids, and of all the steroid users I’ve met, I’ve never heard of a single person getting busted for possessing the amount you would see with non-dealers.

Expense? L.O.L. The same people who spend hundreds of dollars on Biotest supplements can’t afford 200 for a full cycle? My ass. I swear to God if one I3G user made that claim I’ll lose my mind. [/quote]

You realize getting caught by law enforcement isn’t the only or main reason legality is an issue right? Some people are in or going into federal law enforcement. It’s not that they are afraid of getting caught by the cops in some random drug bust, it’s that it’s not worth the risk of possibly ruining their career or keeping them from obtaining their desired career.

I’m with you on the cost. Indigo-3G + Anaconda + Surge + MAG-10 + Brain Candy + Power Drive. I’m afraid to do the addition.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:
Would be cool if Waylander could give us a some of his thoughts as to why he chose too. I feel like we have alot of people against it but hardly anybody who has used has posted yet.[/quote]

There’s really nothing left to add, it’s just a risk vs reward thing.

As far as side effects go?

Balding? If you have a high concentration of 5a-Reductase enzymes in your scalp, which is entirely genetic, you WILL go bald. Steroids will just make that happen faster. If you do not have this you won’t lose your hair.

High hematocrit levels? Any sane person monitors blood levels. If it gets high, give blood. Simple as that.

Tren cough? Sure it’s an uncomfortable feeling. Take a few deep breaths through your nose and the feeling goes away quickly.

Hands numb from gh? This is typical from higher dose uses or impure products. It’s not hard to get around this.

I feel that the sides are very overstated and people tend to make them sound scary, when in reality any intelligent user should know how to deal with them.

As far as staying on all the time? That’s a personal choice, and you’re certainly capable of cycling/taking time off if you choose. Plenty of my friends do exactly that. If you do stay on all the time. Be smart. Use cruise periods to allow your bloodwork to normalize as much as possible and get regular blood work to remain as healthy as possible Once again, this is all obvious.

So many every day life choices carry just as much risk as steroids, but people choose to live in fear. Do you drink alcohol on a regular basis? Smoke cigarettes? Eat regularly at fast food joints? Drink full sugar soda?

All of those choices carry just as much potential risk for health complications as does the use of steroids. It’s all relative.

I love bodybuilding, my dad owns an HRT clinc, monitors my bloodwork and I want to look like an IFBB pro.

I won’t even get in to the countless studies done on just how effective HRT is in aging populations: the use of gh and testosterone to greatly improve quality of life and physical function. Either way, I’m of the belief that everyone should be “on steroids” at some point in there life solely for this reason. They are just to awesome to ignore.

Many of the older guys here who complain about legality could surely get an HRT script if they put in the effort.[/quote]

A) You sandbagging son of a bitch. That’s a nice connection.

B) The “legality” and “expense” arguments are easily my favorite. I have a hard time believing cops are going hard after buyers of steroids, and of all the steroid users I’ve met, I’ve never heard of a single person getting busted for possessing the amount you would see with non-dealers.

Expense? L.O.L. The same people who spend hundreds of dollars on Biotest supplements can’t afford 200 for a full cycle? My ass. I swear to God if one I3G user made that claim I’ll lose my mind. [/quote]

You realize getting caught by law enforcement isn’t the only or main reason legality is an issue right? Some people are in or going into federal law enforcement. It’s not that they are afraid of getting caught by the cops in some random drug bust, it’s that it’s not worth the risk of possibly ruining their career or keeping them from obtaining their desired career.

I’m with you on the cost. I-3G + Anoconda + Surge + MAG-10 + brain candy + powerdrive. I’m afraid to do the addition.

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I wonder how many people who posted legality as a reason in this thread are law enforcement or plan on going into law enforcement?

My guess? Uhhhhh about zero.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:
Would be cool if Waylander could give us a some of his thoughts as to why he chose too. I feel like we have alot of people against it but hardly anybody who has used has posted yet.[/quote]

There’s really nothing left to add, it’s just a risk vs reward thing.

As far as side effects go?

Balding? If you have a high concentration of 5a-Reductase enzymes in your scalp, which is entirely genetic, you WILL go bald. Steroids will just make that happen faster. If you do not have this you won’t lose your hair.

High hematocrit levels? Any sane person monitors blood levels. If it gets high, give blood. Simple as that.

Tren cough? Sure it’s an uncomfortable feeling. Take a few deep breaths through your nose and the feeling goes away quickly.

Hands numb from gh? This is typical from higher dose uses or impure products. It’s not hard to get around this.

I feel that the sides are very overstated and people tend to make them sound scary, when in reality any intelligent user should know how to deal with them.

As far as staying on all the time? That’s a personal choice, and you’re certainly capable of cycling/taking time off if you choose. Plenty of my friends do exactly that. If you do stay on all the time. Be smart. Use cruise periods to allow your bloodwork to normalize as much as possible and get regular blood work to remain as healthy as possible Once again, this is all obvious.

So many every day life choices carry just as much risk as steroids, but people choose to live in fear. Do you drink alcohol on a regular basis? Smoke cigarettes? Eat regularly at fast food joints? Drink full sugar soda?

All of those choices carry just as much potential risk for health complications as does the use of steroids. It’s all relative.

I love bodybuilding, my dad owns an HRT clinc, monitors my bloodwork and I want to look like an IFBB pro.

I won’t even get in to the countless studies done on just how effective HRT is in aging populations: the use of gh and testosterone to greatly improve quality of life and physical function. Either way, I’m of the belief that everyone should be “on steroids” at some point in there life solely for this reason. They are just to awesome to ignore.

Many of the older guys here who complain about legality could surely get an HRT script if they put in the effort.[/quote]

Agree with everything you said here Way - it’s a risk vs rewards thing, and if you’re smart about it you certainly can do a lot to mitigate the side effects.

Thing is, I know you’re a smart kid, and doing whatever you do in the most responsible way that you can. And totally - a lot of what I listed is from ABUSE of said compounds, and more responsible use would reduce or eliminate most of the issues with side effects.

And yep - if when I get to the point of having to need TRT I’ll be completely open to the idea. Fortunately even at 45 I don’t have anything even resembling low test. But when I do, it’s definitely an option. But, that said no ones getting HUGE from HRT doses… : )

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[quote]imhungry wrote:
Not to mention that some people can handle steroids better than others. Some people can grow on very little, while others can handle a shitload of them and not have a whole lot of side effects. [/quote]

This is true too and a very important distinction to make.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

You realize getting caught by law enforcement isn’t the only or main reason legality is an issue right? Some people are in or going into federal law enforcement. It’s not that they are afraid of getting caught by the cops in some random drug bust, it’s that it’s not worth the risk of possibly ruining their career or keeping them from obtaining their desired career.

I’m with you on the cost. Indigo-3G + Anaconda + Surge + MAG-10 + Brain Candy + Power Drive. I’m afraid to do the addition.

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I’m aware. I’ve also seen cops injecting at one my local gyms, so I know there are those that continue using. But the career field wouldn’t really matter. I’d say most good careers look down upon a background check that includes possession, but the base rate for getting caught is so low that the risk is pretty much non-existant.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:
Would be cool if Waylander could give us a some of his thoughts as to why he chose too. I feel like we have alot of people against it but hardly anybody who has used has posted yet.[/quote]

There’s really nothing left to add, it’s just a risk vs reward thing.

As far as side effects go?

Balding? If you have a high concentration of 5a-Reductase enzymes in your scalp, which is entirely genetic, you WILL go bald. Steroids will just make that happen faster. If you do not have this you won’t lose your hair.

High hematocrit levels? Any sane person monitors blood levels. If it gets high, give blood. Simple as that.

Tren cough? Sure it’s an uncomfortable feeling. Take a few deep breaths through your nose and the feeling goes away quickly.

Hands numb from gh? This is typical from higher dose uses or impure products. It’s not hard to get around this.

I feel that the sides are very overstated and people tend to make them sound scary, when in reality any intelligent user should know how to deal with them.

As far as staying on all the time? That’s a personal choice, and you’re certainly capable of cycling/taking time off if you choose. Plenty of my friends do exactly that. If you do stay on all the time. Be smart. Use cruise periods to allow your bloodwork to normalize as much as possible and get regular blood work to remain as healthy as possible Once again, this is all obvious.

So many every day life choices carry just as much risk as steroids, but people choose to live in fear. Do you drink alcohol on a regular basis? Smoke cigarettes? Eat regularly at fast food joints? Drink full sugar soda?

All of those choices carry just as much potential risk for health complications as does the use of steroids. It’s all relative.

I love bodybuilding, my dad owns an HRT clinc, monitors my bloodwork and I want to look like an IFBB pro.

I won’t even get in to the countless studies done on just how effective HRT is in aging populations: the use of gh and testosterone to greatly improve quality of life and physical function. Either way, I’m of the belief that everyone should be “on steroids” at some point in there life solely for this reason. They are just to awesome to ignore.

Many of the older guys here who complain about legality could surely get an HRT script if they put in the effort.[/quote]

A) You sandbagging son of a bitch. That’s a nice connection.

B) The “legality” and “expense” arguments are easily my favorite. I have a hard time believing cops are going hard after buyers of steroids, and of all the steroid users I’ve met, I’ve never heard of a single person getting busted for possessing the amount you would see with non-dealers.

Expense? L.O.L. The same people who spend hundreds of dollars on Biotest supplements can’t afford 200 for a full cycle? My ass. I swear to God if one I3G user made that claim I’ll lose my mind. [/quote]

You realize getting caught by law enforcement isn’t the only or main reason legality is an issue right? Some people are in or going into federal law enforcement. It’s not that they are afraid of getting caught by the cops in some random drug bust, it’s that it’s not worth the risk of possibly ruining their career or keeping them from obtaining their desired career.

I’m with you on the cost. I-3G + Anoconda + Surge + MAG-10 + brain candy + powerdrive. I’m afraid to do the addition.

[/quote]

I wonder how many people who posted legality as a reason in this thread are law enforcement or plan on going into law enforcement?

My guess? Uhhhhh about zero.

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Well, without getting into it, you are wrong. I think a few are pretty obvious. I myself am going through a background check. Not to mention those in the military that have get randomly drug tested every year, get their barracks rooms randomly inspected, etc. Saying legality shouldn’t be an issue because it has no effect on YOUR career/job is just rediculous.

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very interesting 3ead, a lot of common sense

PS; maybe Way was writing to me when he wrote that some people didnt write their reasons why to not take roids,here’s mine ;

premise; I don’t demonize roids and don’t consider DRUG addicts who use steroids.

1/ did not take the juice 20 years ago,now i’m in late LOL

2/illegality? fuck it! being a lawyer many laws are not ethical or moral and our police (like yours) get MORE important thing to take care off (MOB-assasinations-murders-etc etc).
but ILLEGAL means that I can’t buy my cycle to the pharmacy; don’t like the risk to put in my body something not controlled a/o something of toxic

3/ personally I want to become bigger but not freaky ; my sense of aesthetic tall me so,it’s a choice.

4/very rarely I get ill,I did not take the fever (flu) in 10 years,today I went to the sea,swimming,it was pretty cold but I’m ok,very rarely i take drugs so why now??? i’m healthy why to take drugs so?

5/most important,since i dont wanna compete I wanna built the biggest body possible by myself,it’s a bit of philosophical thing

peace

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

You realize getting caught by law enforcement isn’t the only or main reason legality is an issue right? Some people are in or going into federal law enforcement. It’s not that they are afraid of getting caught by the cops in some random drug bust, it’s that it’s not worth the risk of possibly ruining their career or keeping them from obtaining their desired career.

I’m with you on the cost. Indigo-3G + Anaconda + Surge + MAG-10 + Brain Candy + Power Drive. I’m afraid to do the addition.

[/quote]

I’m aware. I’ve also seen cops injecting at one my local gyms, so I know there are those that continue using. But the career field wouldn’t really matter. I’d say most good careers look down upon a background check that includes possession, but the base rate for getting caught is so low that the risk is pretty much non-existant.[/quote]

So because you know a few local cops that inject, people shouldn’t worry about steroids hurting their chance of geeting in. C’mon man.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:
Would be cool if Waylander could give us a some of his thoughts as to why he chose too. I feel like we have alot of people against it but hardly anybody who has used has posted yet.[/quote]

There’s really nothing left to add, it’s just a risk vs reward thing.

As far as side effects go?

Balding? If you have a high concentration of 5a-Reductase enzymes in your scalp, which is entirely genetic, you WILL go bald. Steroids will just make that happen faster. If you do not have this you won’t lose your hair.

High hematocrit levels? Any sane person monitors blood levels. If it gets high, give blood. Simple as that.

Tren cough? Sure it’s an uncomfortable feeling. Take a few deep breaths through your nose and the feeling goes away quickly.

Hands numb from gh? This is typical from higher dose uses or impure products. It’s not hard to get around this.

I feel that the sides are very overstated and people tend to make them sound scary, when in reality any intelligent user should know how to deal with them.

As far as staying on all the time? That’s a personal choice, and you’re certainly capable of cycling/taking time off if you choose. Plenty of my friends do exactly that. If you do stay on all the time. Be smart. Use cruise periods to allow your bloodwork to normalize as much as possible and get regular blood work to remain as healthy as possible Once again, this is all obvious.

So many every day life choices carry just as much risk as steroids, but people choose to live in fear. Do you drink alcohol on a regular basis? Smoke cigarettes? Eat regularly at fast food joints? Drink full sugar soda?

All of those choices carry just as much potential risk for health complications as does the use of steroids. It’s all relative.

I love bodybuilding, my dad owns an HRT clinc, monitors my bloodwork and I want to look like an IFBB pro.

I won’t even get in to the countless studies done on just how effective HRT is in aging populations: the use of gh and testosterone to greatly improve quality of life and physical function. Either way, I’m of the belief that everyone should be “on steroids” at some point in there life solely for this reason. They are just to awesome to ignore.

Many of the older guys here who complain about legality could surely get an HRT script if they put in the effort.[/quote]

A) You sandbagging son of a bitch. That’s a nice connection.

B) The “legality” and “expense” arguments are easily my favorite. I have a hard time believing cops are going hard after buyers of steroids, and of all the steroid users I’ve met, I’ve never heard of a single person getting busted for possessing the amount you would see with non-dealers.

Expense? L.O.L. The same people who spend hundreds of dollars on Biotest supplements can’t afford 200 for a full cycle? My ass. I swear to God if one I3G user made that claim I’ll lose my mind. [/quote]

You realize getting caught by law enforcement isn’t the only or main reason legality is an issue right? Some people are in or going into federal law enforcement. It’s not that they are afraid of getting caught by the cops in some random drug bust, it’s that it’s not worth the risk of possibly ruining their career or keeping them from obtaining their desired career.

I’m with you on the cost. I-3G + Anoconda + Surge + MAG-10 + brain candy + powerdrive. I’m afraid to do the addition.

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I wonder how many people who posted legality as a reason in this thread are law enforcement or plan on going into law enforcement?

My guess? Uhhhhh about zero.

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Well, without getting into it, you are wrong. I think a few are pretty obvious. I myself am going through a background check. Not to mention those in the military that have get randomly drug tested every year, get their barracks rooms randomly inspected, etc. Saying legality shouldn’t be an issue because it has no effect on YOUR career/job is just rediculous.
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I know law enforcement has to take a polygraph and one of the questions asked is “when was the last time you used illegal drugs?” and usually if you have sold them.

Are you saying you are going through this process? If so, sure, I understand your situation. A regular back ground check is not going to delve into this.

Like I said, I get the legal issue. However, unless you are selling the chances of being caught are not high.

How does the sport of bodybuilding even exist if the personal use of steroids was a highly prosecuted crime? You think if they won’t bust some NPC national competitor that they’re going to bust some joe schmoe for having 20 ml’s laying around for personal use?