Steroids: Why or Why Not?

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Steroids are bad for you, mmmkay.

2 grams a week? Bit of overkill don’t you think lol. Diminishing returns are a bitch.[/quote]

If you don’t mind me asking, what weight and bodyfat level were you before you started cycling?
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I played college ball for 2 years and sat around 230-240 and was fairly lean abs showing bc I ran a lot obviously lol. After I quit playing I started my first cycle. I usually run sustanon highest I’ve ever gone is 1G a week.

But I mix cypianate with supertest to cut it a bit so it doesn’t knot up so bad. [/quote]

Have you only ever ran test?

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Steroids are bad for you, mmmkay.

2 grams a week? Bit of overkill don’t you think lol. Diminishing returns are a bitch.[/quote]

If you don’t mind me asking, what weight and bodyfat level were you before you started cycling?
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I played college ball for 2 years and sat around 230-240 and was fairly lean abs showing bc I ran a lot obviously lol. After I quit playing I started my first cycle. I usually run sustanon highest I’ve ever gone is 1G a week.

But I mix cypianate with supertest to cut it a bit so it doesn’t knot up so bad. [/quote]

Have you only ever ran test?
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Those are all test he hasn’t mentioned anabolic at all.

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I’ve run deca, tren, and masteron as well in varying cycles. Honestly though all my doses are conservative. It doesn’t take much and I gain muscle fairly easily. My favorite stack is test, deca, and tren.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:
I’ve run deca, tren, and masteron as well in varying cycles. Honestly though all my doses are conservative. It doesn’t take much and I gain muscle fairly easily. My favorite stack is test, deca, and tren.[/quote]

Deca and tren is an overlooked combo for sure. When I’ve run that the pump has been virtually constant and to the point of being painful. Felt great though!

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Yeah same here I keep my tren usually in for around 8 weeks. I dont notice any of the really bad sides some experience. Just insane pumps and strength increase and some heavy sweating is the worst I get. I just started back on some gear after 3 months off.

With consistent training and diet, I don’t see much loss in size or strength, but I do get a little softer. Not sure I look it but mentally I feel it :stuck_out_tongue:

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[quote]Bauber wrote:
Yeah same here I keep my tren usually in for around 8 weeks. I dont notice any of the really bad sides some experience. Just insane pumps and strength increase and some heavy sweating is the worst I get. I just started back on some gear after 3 months off.

With consistent training and diet, I don’t see much loss in size or strength, but I do get a little softer. Not sure I look it but mentally I feel it :P[/quote]

How much volume would you say you do when your off and when you’re on? And how much has your bodyfat fluctuated as you’ve bulked up? The night sweats drive me up the wall, I would love to run high test with high tren but the most tren I can handle with high test is 200mg. I could probably handle it for a week at a time, but then would it be worth it?

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Yeah same here I keep my tren usually in for around 8 weeks. I dont notice any of the really bad sides some experience. Just insane pumps and strength increase and some heavy sweating is the worst I get. I just started back on some gear after 3 months off.

With consistent training and diet, I don’t see much loss in size or strength, but I do get a little softer. Not sure I look it but mentally I feel it :P[/quote]

How much volume would you say you do when your off and when you’re on? And how much has your bodyfat fluctuated as you’ve bulked up? The night sweats drive me up the wall, I would love to run high test with high tren but the most tren I can handle with high test is 200mg. I could probably handle it for a week at a time, but then would it be worth it?
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I keep my volume fairly high, but I definitely decrease weights slowly as my system gets void of the good stuff. I do this mainly because I have found if I don’t, I will get some wicked tendonitis in my shoulders and elbows. And in general just joints not feeling all that great. As I have bulked I definitely have put on some bodyfat,but nothing outrageous. My midsection is still fairly tight. I will definitely take the increase and size/ strength for the bodyfat fluctuation! I eat pretty clean even when bulking because if I don’t I will balloon badly with muscle, water, and bodyfat.

I have run as high as 500mg of tren a week for 8 weeks and the sweating was rough, but I sweat a lot anyways haha.

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I just remembered a time back when I was working at a supplement store. This kid came in, probably 130 pounds and said, “hey man, I really screwed up, I took some stuff and didn’t do a pct, nobody told me about the side effects.” Kid had mad gyno and pretty much no muscle to speak of after his cycle.

Felt bad for him, but if you’re gonna use drugs you should do your research first.

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I was chatting to an American expat here in Kuwait the other day, he was telling me that he’s about to start another cycle. I asked him what he was planning on taking.

“Nitrous Oxide and ECA”.

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[quote]Grumpig Hunt wrote:
I was chatting to an American expat here in Kuwait the other day, he was telling me that he’s about to start another cycle. I asked him what he was planning on taking.

“Nitrous Oxide and ECA”.[/quote]

Wow sick stack!!

That’s another good point though – stims are definitely drugs but they sure as hell don’t help recovery.

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Steroids are bad for you, mmmkay.

2 grams a week? Bit of overkill don’t you think lol. Diminishing returns are a bitch.[/quote]

2 grams a week is hardly overkill[/quote]

What’s the most cycles you’ve heard anyone run in a year?

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[quote]conservativedog wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Steroids are bad for you, mmmkay.

2 grams a week? Bit of overkill don’t you think lol. Diminishing returns are a bitch.[/quote]

2 grams a week is hardly overkill[/quote]

What’s the most cycles you’ve heard anyone run in a year?
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shit idk… maybe 4?

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]conservativedog wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Steroids are bad for you, mmmkay.

2 grams a week? Bit of overkill don’t you think lol. Diminishing returns are a bitch.[/quote]

2 grams a week is hardly overkill[/quote]

What’s the most cycles you’ve heard anyone run in a year?
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shit idk… maybe 4?[/quote]

4 three month cycles? :wink:

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:wink:

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]conservativedog wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Steroids are bad for you, mmmkay.

2 grams a week? Bit of overkill don’t you think lol. Diminishing returns are a bitch.[/quote]

2 grams a week is hardly overkill[/quote]

What’s the most cycles you’ve heard anyone run in a year?
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shit idk… maybe 4?[/quote]

I know how I feel about wasting a lift day now if I start getting real nauseated or that feeling that you figure …shit I better quit before I pass out. Have you had one of those days with that many grams and thought what a waste of money. I’m guessing you pushed through.

I’ve laid on an incline ab bench or laid down in car until it passed rather than quitting.

What is the difference between what you can lift with 2-3 grams and 1 gram? Just trying to wrap my head around the volume and extra weight that could be tossed around.

Wondering too if I would be able to keep my original nipples.

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testosterone is cheap… so no not really

muscular gains are not necessarily strength-related…

I don’t really keep track of my strength in terms of aas dose… but the more you use, the bigger and stronger you will get assuming all other variables are in place.

if you want to keep your nipples the way they are, use an AI

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[quote]conservativedog wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]conservativedog wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Steroids are bad for you, mmmkay.

2 grams a week? Bit of overkill don’t you think lol. Diminishing returns are a bitch.[/quote]

2 grams a week is hardly overkill[/quote]

What’s the most cycles you’ve heard anyone run in a year?
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shit idk… maybe 4?[/quote]

I know how I feel about wasting a lift day now if I start getting real nauseated or that feeling that you figure …shit I better quit before I pass out. Have you had one of those days with that many grams and thought what a waste of money. I’m guessing you pushed through.

I’ve laid on an incline ab bench or laid down in car until it passed rather than quitting.

What is the difference between what you can lift with 2-3 grams and 1 gram? Just trying to wrap my head around the volume and extra weight that could be tossed around.

Wondering too if I would be able to keep my original nipples.
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Strength difference between 1g and 2g of test for me is a lot. I can do a lot more sets, with about 10% more weight at the higher dose. Doesn’t sound like much, but it makes a huge difference over the course of a cycle. And as for aromatisation, injecting everyday is the absolute way forward. The difference in sides is like night and day. If I inject test enanthate everyday, even at 2g the need for an AI is absolutely minimal compared to EOD or worse 2x per week.

The only downside to higher doses is the lethargy they seem to caause. 12.5mcgs of T3 sorts that right out for me though. When coming off a higher dose you have to be much stricter with the AI, thats when the most sides seem to show up, at least for me anyways.

The way to test it out is with prop, that way you can drop the dose down if you can’t handle it.

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
And as for aromatisation, injecting everyday is the absolute way forward. The difference in sides is like night and day. If I inject test enanthate everyday, even at 2g the need for an AI is absolutely minimal compared to EOD or worse 2x per week.
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THIS

I inject test enanthate everyday as well for this purpose. injecting subq is also the way forward in terms of avoiding aromatization IIRC.

slower release, more stable levels, less aromatization

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
And as for aromatisation, injecting everyday is the absolute way forward. The difference in sides is like night and day. If I inject test enanthate everyday, even at 2g the need for an AI is absolutely minimal compared to EOD or worse 2x per week.
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THIS

I inject test enanthate everyday as well for this purpose. injecting subq is also the way forward in terms of avoiding aromatization IIRC.

slower release, more stable levels, less aromatization [/quote]

Got you on the sub q.

I only have test depot to work with. I won’t get to your level and bummed out I no longer have hcg source. I do use aromasin/exemestane. I have a pretty good private gym with good squat rack, good olympic bench & leg press but this takes me out of circulation talking to other lifters at gyms that may have more information.

I don’t have to wait on someone doin curls in the squat rack though.

P.S. What kind of number of sets do you do. I get carried away on deadlift doing 8-9 sets sometimes. I love the high and good sleep on those days. Same on squats about 7 sets. Been killing my joints in last month on bench press so I’m lowering weight just doing more sets.

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my training is different every session