Steroids: Why or Why Not?

Training
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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]AzCats wrote:

[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:

[quote]willden wrote:
Which is the entire point of the thread. You need to speculate in order to decide if you want to use. You would think many more people would do a cycle if it were to give them 25lbs of LBM vs 5lbs. It’s all about risk/reward.[/quote]

Correct. An 8 lb gain of pure lean mass in a few months with little/no side effects would be very reasonable and definitely worth the risk in my opinion. Naturally, that would take 2-3 times longer to achieve those results.[/quote]
You must be gifted then. Cause it took me almost 2 years to gain a solid 8lbs of mass naturally. RDS did that in a few weeks. I just don’t think many realize how much 8lbs of solid mass really is… and for someone to do that in 10-12 weeks is amazing to me and I give him props for that instead of others telling him that 8lbs is nothing or he should have gained a lot more. [/quote]

not really, people just count weight that isn’t lean body mass… as lean body mass

because they don’t know what they are talking about…[/quote]
Hypothetical Scenario:
Go get your body fat tested.
5’10 201 pounds with 9% bodyfat
Chug a gallon of water
5’10 210 pounds with 9% bodyfat
OMFG AMAZIN GAINZZZZ!!!
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Have you ever tried that? It doesn’t quite work how you think.
[/quote]

Please enlighten us since we seem to not know anything[/quote]

You have to try it first.

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Steroids are bad for you, mmmkay.

2 grams a week? Bit of overkill don’t you think lol. Diminishing returns are a bitch.

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Anyway, from an archived tmuscle publication in 1999, interview with Los Angeles heavy user:

Take what you will, just another perspective.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:
Steroids are bad for you, mmmkay.

2 grams a week? Bit of overkill don’t you think lol. Diminishing returns are a bitch.[/quote]

I’m considering running four pretty soon. What can I say I’m a sucker for the moon face look. I’ve got some work to do that’s for sure, you’ve got 70 pounds on me and I’m about your height. Good work by the way.

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Steroids are bad for you, mmmkay.

2 grams a week? Bit of overkill don’t you think lol. Diminishing returns are a bitch.[/quote]

I’m considering running four pretty soon. What can I say I’m a sucker for the moon face look. I’ve got some work to do that’s for sure, you’ve got 70 pounds on me and I’m about your height. Good work by the way.
[/quote]

Sounds like you compensating for bad diet and training with gear if you need that much to be 240. Unless insanely lean. Which we need pics if you are gonna claim a lean 240

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Steroids are bad for you, mmmkay.

2 grams a week? Bit of overkill don’t you think lol. Diminishing returns are a bitch.[/quote]

I’m considering running four pretty soon. What can I say I’m a sucker for the moon face look. I’ve got some work to do that’s for sure, you’ve got 70 pounds on me and I’m about your height. Good work by the way.
[/quote]

Sounds like you compensating for bad diet and training with gear if you need that much to be 240. Unless insanely lean. Which we need pics if you are gonna claim a lean 240[/quote]

I’m 230 and I’m currently not running anything, haven’t for a while.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:
Steroids are bad for you, mmmkay.

2 grams a week? Bit of overkill don’t you think lol. Diminishing returns are a bitch.[/quote]

2 grams a week is hardly overkill

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Steroids are bad for you, mmmkay.

2 grams a week? Bit of overkill don’t you think lol. Diminishing returns are a bitch.[/quote]

I’m considering running four pretty soon. What can I say I’m a sucker for the moon face look. I’ve got some work to do that’s for sure, you’ve got 70 pounds on me and I’m about your height. Good work by the way.
[/quote]

Sounds like you compensating for bad diet and training with gear if you need that much to be 240. Unless insanely lean. Which we need pics if you are gonna claim a lean 240[/quote]

I’m 230 and I’m currently not running anything, haven’t for a while.
[/quote]

But how lean are you. Shit I almost 230. But have a ton of water. And still pretty lean so I don’t look like much

Mr waylander got up to 280-300 decently lean under 2g

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Steroids are bad for you, mmmkay.

2 grams a week? Bit of overkill don’t you think lol. Diminishing returns are a bitch.[/quote]

2 grams a week is hardly overkill[/quote]

It’s also a damn good dose considering its not underdosed shit

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Steroids are bad for you, mmmkay.

2 grams a week? Bit of overkill don’t you think lol. Diminishing returns are a bitch.[/quote]

I’m considering running four pretty soon. What can I say I’m a sucker for the moon face look. I’ve got some work to do that’s for sure, you’ve got 70 pounds on me and I’m about your height. Good work by the way.
[/quote]

Sounds like you compensating for bad diet and training with gear if you need that much to be 240. Unless insanely lean. Which we need pics if you are gonna claim a lean 240[/quote]

I’m 230 and I’m currently not running anything, haven’t for a while.
[/quote]

But how lean are you. Shit I almost 230. But have a ton of water. And still pretty lean so I don’t look like much

Mr waylander got up to 280-300 decently lean under 2g[/quote]

he’s also 6’2, on gh, insulin, been juicing since he was 18 etc…

most guys will tell you they use less aas than they actually do btw… don’t mean to point out your naivety… but there ya go

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Steroids are bad for you, mmmkay.

2 grams a week? Bit of overkill don’t you think lol. Diminishing returns are a bitch.[/quote]

I’m considering running four pretty soon. What can I say I’m a sucker for the moon face look. I’ve got some work to do that’s for sure, you’ve got 70 pounds on me and I’m about your height. Good work by the way.
[/quote]

Sounds like you compensating for bad diet and training with gear if you need that much to be 240. Unless insanely lean. Which we need pics if you are gonna claim a lean 240[/quote]

I’m 230 and I’m currently not running anything, haven’t for a while.
[/quote]

But how lean are you. Shit I almost 230. But have a ton of water. And still pretty lean so I don’t look like much

Mr waylander got up to 280-300 decently lean under 2g[/quote]

I can see my dick from standing lean.

From what I gather didn’t waylander use slin? Which I have yet to touch…

How tall are you?

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Steroids are bad for you, mmmkay.

2 grams a week? Bit of overkill don’t you think lol. Diminishing returns are a bitch.[/quote]

I’m considering running four pretty soon. What can I say I’m a sucker for the moon face look. I’ve got some work to do that’s for sure, you’ve got 70 pounds on me and I’m about your height. Good work by the way.
[/quote]

Sounds like you compensating for bad diet and training with gear if you need that much to be 240. Unless insanely lean. Which we need pics if you are gonna claim a lean 240[/quote]

I’m 230 and I’m currently not running anything, haven’t for a while.
[/quote]

But how lean are you. Shit I almost 230. But have a ton of water. And still pretty lean so I don’t look like much

Mr waylander got up to 280-300 decently lean under 2g[/quote]

he’s also 6’2, on gh, insulin, been juicing since he was 18 etc…

most guys will tell you they use less aas than they actually do btw… don’t mean to point out your naivety… but there ya go[/quote]

I’m quite up front about my stupidity.

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Steroids are bad for you, mmmkay.

2 grams a week? Bit of overkill don’t you think lol. Diminishing returns are a bitch.[/quote]

I’m considering running four pretty soon. What can I say I’m a sucker for the moon face look. I’ve got some work to do that’s for sure, you’ve got 70 pounds on me and I’m about your height. Good work by the way.
[/quote]

Sounds like you compensating for bad diet and training with gear if you need that much to be 240. Unless insanely lean. Which we need pics if you are gonna claim a lean 240[/quote]

I’m 230 and I’m currently not running anything, haven’t for a while.
[/quote]

But how lean are you. Shit I almost 230. But have a ton of water. And still pretty lean so I don’t look like much

Mr waylander got up to 280-300 decently lean under 2g[/quote]

he’s also 6’2, on gh, insulin, been juicing since he was 18 etc…

most guys will tell you they use less aas than they actually do btw… don’t mean to point out your naivety… but there ya go[/quote]

I’m quite up front about my stupidity.
[/quote]

it’s only stupid if you are doing damage to yourself

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Steroids are bad for you, mmmkay.

2 grams a week? Bit of overkill don’t you think lol. Diminishing returns are a bitch.[/quote]

I’m considering running four pretty soon. What can I say I’m a sucker for the moon face look. I’ve got some work to do that’s for sure, you’ve got 70 pounds on me and I’m about your height. Good work by the way.
[/quote]

Sounds like you compensating for bad diet and training with gear if you need that much to be 240. Unless insanely lean. Which we need pics if you are gonna claim a lean 240[/quote]

I’m 230 and I’m currently not running anything, haven’t for a while.
[/quote]

But how lean are you. Shit I almost 230. But have a ton of water. And still pretty lean so I don’t look like much

Mr waylander got up to 280-300 decently lean under 2g[/quote]

he’s also 6’2, on gh, insulin, been juicing since he was 18 etc…

most guys will tell you they use less aas than they actually do btw… don’t mean to point out your naivety… but there ya go[/quote]

I’m quite up front about my stupidity.
[/quote]

it’s only stupid if you are doing damage to yourself[/quote]

Yeah I agree, although I do wonder sometimes. When you start out reading the boards, that 500mg a week test seems crazy. omg what is going to happen to me? Will I look like ronnie coleman? omg the pros use a gram a week. wtf? dbol??? Having now tried pretty much every AAS out there and not been shy about the doses, it seems strange that according to the doc I’m actually pretty healthy!

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

it’s only stupid if you are doing damage to yourself[/quote]

Yeah I agree, although I do wonder sometimes. When you start out reading the boards, that 500mg a week test seems crazy. omg what is going to happen to me? Will I look like ronnie coleman? omg the pros use a gram a week. wtf? dbol??? Having now tried pretty much every AAS out there and not been shy about the doses, it seems strange that according to the doc I’m actually pretty healthy!
[/quote]

it’s not strange, the vast majority of steroid users grossly overestimate the harmfulness of steroids.

then again, if you are genetically predisposed to issues like high blood pressure, more steps will need to be taken in order to ensure health is maintained

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

it’s only stupid if you are doing damage to yourself[/quote]

Yeah I agree, although I do wonder sometimes. When you start out reading the boards, that 500mg a week test seems crazy. omg what is going to happen to me? Will I look like ronnie coleman? omg the pros use a gram a week. wtf? dbol??? Having now tried pretty much every AAS out there and not been shy about the doses, it seems strange that according to the doc I’m actually pretty healthy!
[/quote]

it’s not strange, the vast majority of steroid users grossly overestimate the harmfulness of steroids.

then again, if you are genetically predisposed to issues like high blood pressure, more steps will need to be taken in order to ensure health is maintained[/quote]

There are also plenty that underestimate. The real deal is we will never know about the indirect affects Becuase its unethical to study at bb dosing

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[quote]Bauber wrote:
Steroids are bad for you, mmmkay.

2 grams a week? Bit of overkill don’t you think lol. Diminishing returns are a bitch.[/quote]

If you don’t mind me asking, what weight and bodyfat level were you before you started cycling?

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Steroids are bad for you, mmmkay.

2 grams a week? Bit of overkill don’t you think lol. Diminishing returns are a bitch.[/quote]

If you don’t mind me asking, what weight and bodyfat level were you before you started cycling?
[/quote]

I played college ball for 2 years and sat around 230-240 and was fairly lean abs showing bc I ran a lot obviously lol. After I quit playing I started my first cycle. I usually run sustanon highest I’ve ever gone is 1G a week.

But I mix cypianate with supertest to cut it a bit so it doesn’t knot up so bad.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Steroids are bad for you, mmmkay.

2 grams a week? Bit of overkill don’t you think lol. Diminishing returns are a bitch.[/quote]

If you don’t mind me asking, what weight and bodyfat level were you before you started cycling?
[/quote]

I played college ball for 2 years and sat around 230-240 and was fairly lean abs showing bc I ran a lot obviously lol. After I quit playing I started my first cycle. I usually run sustanon highest I’ve ever gone is 1G a week.

But I mix cypianate with supertest to cut it a bit so it doesn’t knot up so bad. [/quote]

you keep a close eye on your blood pressure right?

also, how old are you?

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Steroids are bad for you, mmmkay.

2 grams a week? Bit of overkill don’t you think lol. Diminishing returns are a bitch.[/quote]

If you don’t mind me asking, what weight and bodyfat level were you before you started cycling?
[/quote]

I played college ball for 2 years and sat around 230-240 and was fairly lean abs showing bc I ran a lot obviously lol. After I quit playing I started my first cycle. I usually run sustanon highest I’ve ever gone is 1G a week.

But I mix cypianate with supertest to cut it a bit so it doesn’t knot up so bad. [/quote]

you keep a close eye on your blood pressure right?

also, how old are you?[/quote]

Yes, I do. My mom is a cardiologist and I get bloodwork done 4 times a year with a full physical twice a year and monitor my blood pressure throughout my cycles. Never had it go up more than 10 points on either side.

I will be 26 in 7 days.