[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
that’s why I “lol” whenever someone is like “brah! I gained like 25 lbs off one cycle of the sterons!”[/quote]
Emphasizing the psychological effects.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]anthropocentric wrote:
Everyone who hasn’t experienced steroids will have a certain amount of ignorance since they will not have the personal experience. At the same time, steroid users who gain 20+lbs from their first cycle will have plenty of thoughts to rationalize the fair use of the drug. [/quote]
of those “20+lbs” the vast majority is subcutaneous + intramuscular water retention, increased glycogen retention etc…
that’s why I “lol” whenever someone is like “brah! I gained like 25 lbs off one cycle of the sterons!”[/quote]
You just mad jelly.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
I did not take the time to read all 18 pages in the thread. What I can offer you is my own personal experience.
I always wanted to be a freak. I knew from early on that steroids were part of the game. I never had a moral issue with them.
Is it cheating? If your a bodybuilder, I think not (unless you are doing natty shows and claiming natty, then it’s chickenshit). Drugs are tied so heavy to the sport.
If it’s strength sports, it depends. If you are in a drug tested powerlifting fed and using, again, that’s bullshit. If you are in strongman or an untested fed, you have to realize that you will be competing against many other people who are using them. You will never be as big and strong without them, as you will with them.
With regards to health risks, I think they are severely overblown. As someone who is on HRT and has ran 1 or 2 cycles a year for 7 years, my bloodwork has never been an issue. My wife just became pregnant without us trying to conceive (she wanted to come off birth control, 2 months later she was preggers). There are health risks to being this bodyweight however. The heart is not meant to support 270, 300, 330lbs of fat OR muscle.
For me, the pro list is so long and the con list is so short. It’s a personal choice that everyone has to make. I respect any of the people who choose to stay natural as that is hard thing to do with this lifestyle. [/quote]
Better get a DNA test. Your chances of conceiving on hrt are tiny…
[/quote]
nope…[/quote]
I’m not saying it’s impossible, but it isn’t as high as you think.
A lancet study rated test injections as 99.2% effective as a contraceptive.
Not impossible, but there’s a 99.2% chance that baby isn’t his…
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
that’s why I “lol” whenever someone is like “brah! I gained like 25 lbs off one cycle of the sterons!”[/quote]
me too, then they wonder why they lose 15lbs the first week of PCT
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
For the most part this has been an absolute great read. I’m 37 and only now have considered the use of AAS. Im still progressing, especially in terms of strength but at this point, it seems like the next level to take. Then on the other hand, while this is a passion, it is not my livelihood and will never get paid for it, but besides from the joy my family and some friends bring me, nothing makes me happier than gains in the gym. I dont look at it as a shortcut, as I have been at it long enough (Over 10 years, though admittedly the first 5 I had no idea what I was doing) I simply look at it as the next step.
My main worries are the dependence aspect of it, more specifically will I ever want to get off? The emotional aspect, as I have dealt with psychological issues my whole life (i.e. depression). This is my main stumbling block and probably the main reason when AAS is at arms length I back off, I cant put my wife through any more shit with regards to my head issues. I also would be lying if I was not worried about the other side effects that are accompanied by AAS use, while it is possibly overblown its still there. Anyways this was/is a very good thread[/quote]
You bring up alot of good points. The times I have considered it I was going to take the Caveman approach. Do 1 or 2 low/moderate dose controlled cycles a year. Problem is that I have problems with addiction and substance abuse in the past so AAS like any drug is basically 100% off limits for me.
Kind of what prompted my question to Walkway. Most of the guys I know who use, claim they are not addicted, but use year round and have no planned ‘out’ so to speak. Big red flag for a guy like me with depency issues. [/quote]
I am addicted yes. I’ve never done another drug in my life however, and I haven’t consumed alcohol in 7 years.
I’ve given away all the bottles of painkillers i received after my numerous oral surgeries for example…
I have an addictive personality as well, but I believe aas is justifiable [/quote]
Didnt mean to make it sound like I was labeling you as addicted. Just trying to say that I know alot of people who never plan to be off or stop, which freaks me out since I have had my issues with addiction. Having an addictive personality is much different than actually having an addiction that breeds a phyiscal and mental dependancy.
To echo what Matt said, AAS is the Dark Side of the force for me and I know it. There would be no going back and ill admit most likely abuse. [/quote]
You haven’t tried drugs till you’ve tried testosterone. The first cycle I did I had a euphoric high like nothing I’ve ever known or felt. It’s the most powerful feeling in the world. [/quote]
Are you serious? Please go to a Narcotics Anonomous meeting and explain to the members there how they haven’t tried drugs because they have not tried the all mighty powerful high of steroids. You are a moron.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]willden wrote:
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
I did not take the time to read all 18 pages in the thread. What I can offer you is my own personal experience.
I always wanted to be a freak. I knew from early on that steroids were part of the game. I never had a moral issue with them.
Is it cheating? If your a bodybuilder, I think not (unless you are doing natty shows and claiming natty, then it’s chickenshit). Drugs are tied so heavy to the sport.
If it’s strength sports, it depends. If you are in a drug tested powerlifting fed and using, again, that’s bullshit. If you are in strongman or an untested fed, you have to realize that you will be competing against many other people who are using them. You will never be as big and strong without them, as you will with them.
With regards to health risks, I think they are severely overblown. As someone who is on HRT and has ran 1 or 2 cycles a year for 7 years, my bloodwork has never been an issue. My wife just became pregnant without us trying to conceive (she wanted to come off birth control, 2 months later she was preggers). There are health risks to being this bodyweight however. The heart is not meant to support 270, 300, 330lbs of fat OR muscle.
For me, the pro list is so long and the con list is so short. It’s a personal choice that everyone has to make. I respect any of the people who choose to stay natural as that is hard thing to do with this lifestyle. [/quote]
Are you on HRT because eventually PCT stopped working for you, or you just decided to blast and cruise…or just age? Also curious if you ever regret that now you’re essentially a slave to weekly injections for life…have you tried to restart with HCG or anything like that?[/quote]
Just about everyone that is serious about lifting are slaves to daily and hourly things from pre and post workout shakes to counting macros each meal to doing brutal leg and back workouts twice per week. A once weekly injection does not sound like much compared to all of tge other things we slave ourselves to, especially when it means we will progress better. Now, I have never injected so I cant speak from experience, but it cant take more than 10 seconds to complete. It takes just as long to mix shake.
This being said, the probelem for many is tge legality imo. If tgis shit were legal everyone would be on it including me. Look at hoe many non roid users used the various prohormoneswhen they were legal.
[/quote]
This.
I lift weights 5 days a week. Fasted morning cardio the other two. Like clock-work. 3 nights a week are spent preparing meals. Everything is weighed out. Due to the fact that all the food i eat in my diet doesnt keep for long periods of time, im at the grocery store to restock 2-3 nights a week. This is all while working about 45 hours a week.
If you’re serious, you’re already a slave, but its not to your supplements or to the gym or your diet, you’re a slave to yourself. You are carefully controlling everything that your body gets and gives. After all this, i dont think having to pin a couple times a week is really the cup that breaks the dam.
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
I did not take the time to read all 18 pages in the thread. What I can offer you is my own personal experience.
I always wanted to be a freak. I knew from early on that steroids were part of the game. I never had a moral issue with them.
Is it cheating? If your a bodybuilder, I think not (unless you are doing natty shows and claiming natty, then it’s chickenshit). Drugs are tied so heavy to the sport.
If it’s strength sports, it depends. If you are in a drug tested powerlifting fed and using, again, that’s bullshit. If you are in strongman or an untested fed, you have to realize that you will be competing against many other people who are using them. You will never be as big and strong without them, as you will with them.
With regards to health risks, I think they are severely overblown. As someone who is on HRT and has ran 1 or 2 cycles a year for 7 years, my bloodwork has never been an issue. My wife just became pregnant without us trying to conceive (she wanted to come off birth control, 2 months later she was preggers). There are health risks to being this bodyweight however. The heart is not meant to support 270, 300, 330lbs of fat OR muscle.
For me, the pro list is so long and the con list is so short. It’s a personal choice that everyone has to make. I respect any of the people who choose to stay natural as that is hard thing to do with this lifestyle. [/quote]
Better get a DNA test. Your chances of conceiving on hrt are tiny…
[/quote]
I KNEW that someone would jump on this. I’m 99.2% sure the baby is mine, but thanks for your concern. If you go on any of the other bigger boards you will see plenty of guys that conceived while on cycle or HRT.
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
I did not take the time to read all 18 pages in the thread. What I can offer you is my own personal experience.
I always wanted to be a freak. I knew from early on that steroids were part of the game. I never had a moral issue with them.
Is it cheating? If your a bodybuilder, I think not (unless you are doing natty shows and claiming natty, then it’s chickenshit). Drugs are tied so heavy to the sport.
If it’s strength sports, it depends. If you are in a drug tested powerlifting fed and using, again, that’s bullshit. If you are in strongman or an untested fed, you have to realize that you will be competing against many other people who are using them. You will never be as big and strong without them, as you will with them.
With regards to health risks, I think they are severely overblown. As someone who is on HRT and has ran 1 or 2 cycles a year for 7 years, my bloodwork has never been an issue. My wife just became pregnant without us trying to conceive (she wanted to come off birth control, 2 months later she was preggers). There are health risks to being this bodyweight however. The heart is not meant to support 270, 300, 330lbs of fat OR muscle.
For me, the pro list is so long and the con list is so short. It’s a personal choice that everyone has to make. I respect any of the people who choose to stay natural as that is hard thing to do with this lifestyle. [/quote]
Better get a DNA test. Your chances of conceiving on hrt are tiny…
[/quote]
nope…[/quote]
I’m not saying it’s impossible, but it isn’t as high as you think.
A lancet study rated test injections as 99.2% effective as a contraceptive.
Not impossible, but there’s a 99.2% chance that baby isn’t his…
[/quote]
tell that to all the guys who have conceived while 10 years deep into blasting and cruising and have gotten DNA tests to prove paternity…
there is a reason they don’t use exogenous test as a contraceptive anymore… it proved to not be a viable option because IT DOESN’T WORK
im sure those involved in the study weren’t making any efforts to restore their fertility either (clomid, hrt dose of test, hcg, hmg, coq10, vco etc.)
please don’t post dumb shit
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
I did not take the time to read all 18 pages in the thread. What I can offer you is my own personal experience.
I always wanted to be a freak. I knew from early on that steroids were part of the game. I never had a moral issue with them.
Is it cheating? If your a bodybuilder, I think not (unless you are doing natty shows and claiming natty, then it’s chickenshit). Drugs are tied so heavy to the sport.
If it’s strength sports, it depends. If you are in a drug tested powerlifting fed and using, again, that’s bullshit. If you are in strongman or an untested fed, you have to realize that you will be competing against many other people who are using them. You will never be as big and strong without them, as you will with them.
With regards to health risks, I think they are severely overblown. As someone who is on HRT and has ran 1 or 2 cycles a year for 7 years, my bloodwork has never been an issue. My wife just became pregnant without us trying to conceive (she wanted to come off birth control, 2 months later she was preggers). There are health risks to being this bodyweight however. The heart is not meant to support 270, 300, 330lbs of fat OR muscle.
For me, the pro list is so long and the con list is so short. It’s a personal choice that everyone has to make. I respect any of the people who choose to stay natural as that is hard thing to do with this lifestyle. [/quote]
Better get a DNA test. Your chances of conceiving on hrt are tiny…
[/quote]
nope…[/quote]
I’m not saying it’s impossible, but it isn’t as high as you think.
A lancet study rated test injections as 99.2% effective as a contraceptive.
Not impossible, but there’s a 99.2% chance that baby isn’t his…
[/quote]
please don’t post dumb shit[/quote]
You are asking for a bit much considering the source.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
I did not take the time to read all 18 pages in the thread. What I can offer you is my own personal experience.
I always wanted to be a freak. I knew from early on that steroids were part of the game. I never had a moral issue with them.
Is it cheating? If your a bodybuilder, I think not (unless you are doing natty shows and claiming natty, then it’s chickenshit). Drugs are tied so heavy to the sport.
If it’s strength sports, it depends. If you are in a drug tested powerlifting fed and using, again, that’s bullshit. If you are in strongman or an untested fed, you have to realize that you will be competing against many other people who are using them. You will never be as big and strong without them, as you will with them.
With regards to health risks, I think they are severely overblown. As someone who is on HRT and has ran 1 or 2 cycles a year for 7 years, my bloodwork has never been an issue. My wife just became pregnant without us trying to conceive (she wanted to come off birth control, 2 months later she was preggers). There are health risks to being this bodyweight however. The heart is not meant to support 270, 300, 330lbs of fat OR muscle.
For me, the pro list is so long and the con list is so short. It’s a personal choice that everyone has to make. I respect any of the people who choose to stay natural as that is hard thing to do with this lifestyle. [/quote]
Better get a DNA test. Your chances of conceiving on hrt are tiny…
[/quote]
nope…[/quote]
I’m not saying it’s impossible, but it isn’t as high as you think.
A lancet study rated test injections as 99.2% effective as a contraceptive.
Not impossible, but there’s a 99.2% chance that baby isn’t his…
[/quote]
please don’t post dumb shit[/quote]
You are asking for a bit much considering the source. [/quote]
ZING
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
I did not take the time to read all 18 pages in the thread. What I can offer you is my own personal experience.
I always wanted to be a freak. I knew from early on that steroids were part of the game. I never had a moral issue with them.
Is it cheating? If your a bodybuilder, I think not (unless you are doing natty shows and claiming natty, then it’s chickenshit). Drugs are tied so heavy to the sport.
If it’s strength sports, it depends. If you are in a drug tested powerlifting fed and using, again, that’s bullshit. If you are in strongman or an untested fed, you have to realize that you will be competing against many other people who are using them. You will never be as big and strong without them, as you will with them.
With regards to health risks, I think they are severely overblown. As someone who is on HRT and has ran 1 or 2 cycles a year for 7 years, my bloodwork has never been an issue. My wife just became pregnant without us trying to conceive (she wanted to come off birth control, 2 months later she was preggers). There are health risks to being this bodyweight however. The heart is not meant to support 270, 300, 330lbs of fat OR muscle.
For me, the pro list is so long and the con list is so short. It’s a personal choice that everyone has to make. I respect any of the people who choose to stay natural as that is hard thing to do with this lifestyle. [/quote]
Better get a DNA test. Your chances of conceiving on hrt are tiny…
[/quote]
I KNEW that someone would jump on this. I’m 99.2% sure the baby is mine, but thanks for your concern. If you go on any of the other bigger boards you will see plenty of guys that conceived while on cycle or HRT. [/quote]
…and if you talk to actual fertility docs who’ve seen thousands of patients they’ll tell you sperm count can drop to zero while on, especially for an extended length of time.
Not saying there aren’t plenty of exceptions or that it won’t come back, but to suggest it doesn’t happen is wrong.
[quote]Bryan Krahn wrote:
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
I did not take the time to read all 18 pages in the thread. What I can offer you is my own personal experience.
I always wanted to be a freak. I knew from early on that steroids were part of the game. I never had a moral issue with them.
Is it cheating? If your a bodybuilder, I think not (unless you are doing natty shows and claiming natty, then it’s chickenshit). Drugs are tied so heavy to the sport.
If it’s strength sports, it depends. If you are in a drug tested powerlifting fed and using, again, that’s bullshit. If you are in strongman or an untested fed, you have to realize that you will be competing against many other people who are using them. You will never be as big and strong without them, as you will with them.
With regards to health risks, I think they are severely overblown. As someone who is on HRT and has ran 1 or 2 cycles a year for 7 years, my bloodwork has never been an issue. My wife just became pregnant without us trying to conceive (she wanted to come off birth control, 2 months later she was preggers). There are health risks to being this bodyweight however. The heart is not meant to support 270, 300, 330lbs of fat OR muscle.
For me, the pro list is so long and the con list is so short. It’s a personal choice that everyone has to make. I respect any of the people who choose to stay natural as that is hard thing to do with this lifestyle. [/quote]
Better get a DNA test. Your chances of conceiving on hrt are tiny…
[/quote]
I KNEW that someone would jump on this. I’m 99.2% sure the baby is mine, but thanks for your concern. If you go on any of the other bigger boards you will see plenty of guys that conceived while on cycle or HRT. [/quote]
…and if you talk to actual fertility docs who’ve seen thousands of patients they’ll tell you sperm count can drop to zero while on, especially for an extended length of time.
Not saying there aren’t plenty of exceptions or that it won’t come back, but to suggest it doesn’t happen is wrong.
[/quote]
I am in NO way trying to imply there is not an effect on sperm production, please see my second post that referenced a friend who had to come off. What I was offering is again, my experience and the experience’s of others that I know. To throw out a blanket statement such as “sperm counts drop to zero while using steroids” is as dumb as saying “there will be zero side effects by using steroids”.
People swear up and down what the know side effects are. I’m here to tell you, there are no “known” side effects. Everyone is going to react differently to different drugs and drug combinations. There has been so little research in the scientific community that guys like me have to relay on people who have gone before. As someone who is connected to many other “users” this is the best knowledge you can have.
Some guys will get gyno, hair loss and breakout like a motherfucker on 300mg of testosterone. Other guys can run a gram and have zero problems. If you are going to use you will not really know what’s going to happen until you take the plunge. The best thing you can do is read all you can, talk to others who have used and be ready for anything.
[quote]Bryan Krahn wrote:
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
I did not take the time to read all 18 pages in the thread. What I can offer you is my own personal experience.
I always wanted to be a freak. I knew from early on that steroids were part of the game. I never had a moral issue with them.
Is it cheating? If your a bodybuilder, I think not (unless you are doing natty shows and claiming natty, then it’s chickenshit). Drugs are tied so heavy to the sport.
If it’s strength sports, it depends. If you are in a drug tested powerlifting fed and using, again, that’s bullshit. If you are in strongman or an untested fed, you have to realize that you will be competing against many other people who are using them. You will never be as big and strong without them, as you will with them.
With regards to health risks, I think they are severely overblown. As someone who is on HRT and has ran 1 or 2 cycles a year for 7 years, my bloodwork has never been an issue. My wife just became pregnant without us trying to conceive (she wanted to come off birth control, 2 months later she was preggers). There are health risks to being this bodyweight however. The heart is not meant to support 270, 300, 330lbs of fat OR muscle.
For me, the pro list is so long and the con list is so short. It’s a personal choice that everyone has to make. I respect any of the people who choose to stay natural as that is hard thing to do with this lifestyle. [/quote]
Better get a DNA test. Your chances of conceiving on hrt are tiny…
[/quote]
I KNEW that someone would jump on this. I’m 99.2% sure the baby is mine, but thanks for your concern. If you go on any of the other bigger boards you will see plenty of guys that conceived while on cycle or HRT. [/quote]
…and if you talk to actual fertility docs who’ve seen thousands of patients they’ll tell you sperm count can drop to zero while on, especially for an extended length of time.
Not saying there aren’t plenty of exceptions or that it won’t come back, but to suggest it doesn’t happen is wrong.
[/quote]
no one said it doesn’t happen
please don’t post dumb shit
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
For the most part this has been an absolute great read. I’m 37 and only now have considered the use of AAS. Im still progressing, especially in terms of strength but at this point, it seems like the next level to take. Then on the other hand, while this is a passion, it is not my livelihood and will never get paid for it, but besides from the joy my family and some friends bring me, nothing makes me happier than gains in the gym. I dont look at it as a shortcut, as I have been at it long enough (Over 10 years, though admittedly the first 5 I had no idea what I was doing) I simply look at it as the next step.
My main worries are the dependence aspect of it, more specifically will I ever want to get off? The emotional aspect, as I have dealt with psychological issues my whole life (i.e. depression). This is my main stumbling block and probably the main reason when AAS is at arms length I back off, I cant put my wife through any more shit with regards to my head issues. I also would be lying if I was not worried about the other side effects that are accompanied by AAS use, while it is possibly overblown its still there. Anyways this was/is a very good thread[/quote]
You bring up alot of good points. The times I have considered it I was going to take the Caveman approach. Do 1 or 2 low/moderate dose controlled cycles a year. Problem is that I have problems with addiction and substance abuse in the past so AAS like any drug is basically 100% off limits for me.
Kind of what prompted my question to Walkway. Most of the guys I know who use, claim they are not addicted, but use year round and have no planned ‘out’ so to speak. Big red flag for a guy like me with depency issues. [/quote]
I am addicted yes. I’ve never done another drug in my life however, and I haven’t consumed alcohol in 7 years.
I’ve given away all the bottles of painkillers i received after my numerous oral surgeries for example…
I have an addictive personality as well, but I believe aas is justifiable [/quote]
Didnt mean to make it sound like I was labeling you as addicted. Just trying to say that I know alot of people who never plan to be off or stop, which freaks me out since I have had my issues with addiction. Having an addictive personality is much different than actually having an addiction that breeds a phyiscal and mental dependancy.
To echo what Matt said, AAS is the Dark Side of the force for me and I know it. There would be no going back and ill admit most likely abuse. [/quote]
You haven’t tried drugs till you’ve tried testosterone. The first cycle I did I had a euphoric high like nothing I’ve ever known or felt. It’s the most powerful feeling in the world. [/quote]
Are you serious? Please go to a Narcotics Anonomous meeting and explain to the members there how they haven’t tried drugs because they have not tried the all mighty powerful high of steroids. You are a moron. [/quote]
Yeah, I thought that post was stretching it a bit also. He makes it sound like a hit of crack first thing in the morning. I honestly don’t feel much different at all when I’m on a cycle. I feel stronger and have a bit more energy during the day but other than that, It’s just a normal day to me.
[quote]AzCats wrote:
Yeah, I thought that post was stretching it a bit also. He makes it sound like a hit of crack first thing in the morning. I honestly don’t feel much different at all when I’m on a cycle. I feel stronger and have a bit more energy during the day but other than that, It’s just a normal day to me.[/quote]
That probably depends on your age and activity level also.
It is pretty common for guys on HRT to claim they feel more energetic, positive and clear headed when on testosterone replacement.
[quote]AzCats wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
For the most part this has been an absolute great read. I’m 37 and only now have considered the use of AAS. Im still progressing, especially in terms of strength but at this point, it seems like the next level to take. Then on the other hand, while this is a passion, it is not my livelihood and will never get paid for it, but besides from the joy my family and some friends bring me, nothing makes me happier than gains in the gym. I dont look at it as a shortcut, as I have been at it long enough (Over 10 years, though admittedly the first 5 I had no idea what I was doing) I simply look at it as the next step.
My main worries are the dependence aspect of it, more specifically will I ever want to get off? The emotional aspect, as I have dealt with psychological issues my whole life (i.e. depression). This is my main stumbling block and probably the main reason when AAS is at arms length I back off, I cant put my wife through any more shit with regards to my head issues. I also would be lying if I was not worried about the other side effects that are accompanied by AAS use, while it is possibly overblown its still there. Anyways this was/is a very good thread[/quote]
You bring up alot of good points. The times I have considered it I was going to take the Caveman approach. Do 1 or 2 low/moderate dose controlled cycles a year. Problem is that I have problems with addiction and substance abuse in the past so AAS like any drug is basically 100% off limits for me.
Kind of what prompted my question to Walkway. Most of the guys I know who use, claim they are not addicted, but use year round and have no planned ‘out’ so to speak. Big red flag for a guy like me with depency issues. [/quote]
I am addicted yes. I’ve never done another drug in my life however, and I haven’t consumed alcohol in 7 years.
I’ve given away all the bottles of painkillers i received after my numerous oral surgeries for example…
I have an addictive personality as well, but I believe aas is justifiable [/quote]
Didnt mean to make it sound like I was labeling you as addicted. Just trying to say that I know alot of people who never plan to be off or stop, which freaks me out since I have had my issues with addiction. Having an addictive personality is much different than actually having an addiction that breeds a phyiscal and mental dependancy.
To echo what Matt said, AAS is the Dark Side of the force for me and I know it. There would be no going back and ill admit most likely abuse. [/quote]
You haven’t tried drugs till you’ve tried testosterone. The first cycle I did I had a euphoric high like nothing I’ve ever known or felt. It’s the most powerful feeling in the world. [/quote]
Are you serious? Please go to a Narcotics Anonomous meeting and explain to the members there how they haven’t tried drugs because they have not tried the all mighty powerful high of steroids. You are a moron. [/quote]
Yeah, I thought that post was stretching it a bit also. He makes it sound like a hit of crack first thing in the morning. I honestly don’t feel much different at all when I’m on a cycle. I feel stronger and have a bit more energy during the day but other than that, It’s just a normal day to me.[/quote]
Massiveguns is giving the appearance of being someone who has never really done much in the way of drugs…
that being said, when I first started doing aas, I did feel incredible. I feel that it may have to do with how bad you feel about life, yourself, your body, etc before you begin aas…
i.e. the worst your body image is, the better feeling from aas you get.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
For the most part this has been an absolute great read. I’m 37 and only now have considered the use of AAS. Im still progressing, especially in terms of strength but at this point, it seems like the next level to take. Then on the other hand, while this is a passion, it is not my livelihood and will never get paid for it, but besides from the joy my family and some friends bring me, nothing makes me happier than gains in the gym. I dont look at it as a shortcut, as I have been at it long enough (Over 10 years, though admittedly the first 5 I had no idea what I was doing) I simply look at it as the next step.
My main worries are the dependence aspect of it, more specifically will I ever want to get off? The emotional aspect, as I have dealt with psychological issues my whole life (i.e. depression). This is my main stumbling block and probably the main reason when AAS is at arms length I back off, I cant put my wife through any more shit with regards to my head issues. I also would be lying if I was not worried about the other side effects that are accompanied by AAS use, while it is possibly overblown its still there. Anyways this was/is a very good thread[/quote]
You bring up alot of good points. The times I have considered it I was going to take the Caveman approach. Do 1 or 2 low/moderate dose controlled cycles a year. Problem is that I have problems with addiction and substance abuse in the past so AAS like any drug is basically 100% off limits for me.
Kind of what prompted my question to Walkway. Most of the guys I know who use, claim they are not addicted, but use year round and have no planned ‘out’ so to speak. Big red flag for a guy like me with depency issues. [/quote]
I am addicted yes. I’ve never done another drug in my life however, and I haven’t consumed alcohol in 7 years.
I’ve given away all the bottles of painkillers i received after my numerous oral surgeries for example…
I have an addictive personality as well, but I believe aas is justifiable [/quote]
Didnt mean to make it sound like I was labeling you as addicted. Just trying to say that I know alot of people who never plan to be off or stop, which freaks me out since I have had my issues with addiction. Having an addictive personality is much different than actually having an addiction that breeds a phyiscal and mental dependancy.
To echo what Matt said, AAS is the Dark Side of the force for me and I know it. There would be no going back and ill admit most likely abuse. [/quote]
You haven’t tried drugs till you’ve tried testosterone. The first cycle I did I had a euphoric high like nothing I’ve ever known or felt. It’s the most powerful feeling in the world. [/quote]
Are you serious? Please go to a Narcotics Anonomous meeting and explain to the members there how they haven’t tried drugs because they have not tried the all mighty powerful high of steroids. You are a moron. [/quote]
Yeah, I thought that post was stretching it a bit also. He makes it sound like a hit of crack first thing in the morning. I honestly don’t feel much different at all when I’m on a cycle. I feel stronger and have a bit more energy during the day but other than that, It’s just a normal day to me.[/quote]
Massiveguns is giving the appearance of being someone who has never really done much in the way of drugs…
that being said, when I first started doing aas, I did feel incredible. I feel that it may have to do with how bad you feel about life, yourself, your body, etc before you begin aas…
i.e. the worst your body image is, the better feeling from aas you get. [/quote]
That is a pretty good point. I just had an issue with that guy trying to equate a ‘high’ from Test to a mind altering substance.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
Massiveguns is giving the appearance of being someone who has never really done much in the way of drugs…
that being said, when I first started doing aas, I did feel incredible. I feel that it may have to do with how bad you feel about life, yourself, your body, etc before you begin aas…
i.e. the worst your body image is, the better feeling from aas you get. [/quote]
If you feel that way…then why are people laughing at one guy for saying it and not laughing at you for saying it?
The favoritism here is a little off.
Yes, I have heard that from many older guys who use testosterone and on those who are younger who may have originally been low.
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
You haven’t tried drugs till you’ve tried testosterone. The first cycle I did I had a euphoric high like nothing I’ve ever known or felt. It’s the most powerful feeling in the world. [/quote]
LOL!
just wait til you try MDMA
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
You haven’t tried drugs till you’ve tried testosterone. The first cycle I did I had a euphoric high like nothing I’ve ever known or felt. It’s the most powerful feeling in the world. [/quote]
You ever suck dick for testosterone?