Squatting-Use the Foam Pad or Not?

[quote]Racarnus wrote:
I realize that I am so freaking amazing that it’s hard for you guys to accept.

As for your chart, it’s a joke. I believe I will break 482 before I leave the novice (9 months) category. So far it’s been almost 8. [/quote]

To put the chart in context, more of the chart can be viewed here:
"ww.crossfit.com/cf-journal/WLSTANDARDS.pdf

if you manage to put almost 20lbs on an already good deadlift in a month I will be pleasantly surprised. You may run into the law of diminishing returns.
Elite for your weight class according to the chart you dissed is actually 518. Until you reach that, you’re not even in the top 1%, on a single lift you are very good at, let alone squatting.

Some of the numbers seem a bit low, particularly if you are good at the lift. I have seen plenty of people, particularly in the 181’s, achieve in excess of the “advanced” standard on their first or second session on a lift with NO prior weightroom experience. But I haven’t seen anyone reach an advanced standard on ALL of the lifts in less than a years worth of experience.
Bear in mind that if you gain weight the standards change as well. I haven’t seen anyone go from advanced to elite with no appreciable muscle gain. For this reason, I don’t think the chart is a “joke”.

Personally I’d only take the advanced and elite as goal on the chart if you are lifting for physique or strength sports, and aim for elite on the lifts you are good at and advanced on the ones that you suck at. No-one wants to be like 99% of people!
I train for PL, am in the advanced category for everything except powerclean, and my raw deadlift places me in the same position on the chart as you. I do not think that makes me amazing. I would still get owned by a great deal of posters on this forum. I get owned raw by people I compete against.
Hell, even if my raw deadlift was 100lbs higher it’d still happen, and with people in a lower weight class to boot.

When you get to a national or world class level you can start being combative in your posts. Until then, people will treat you just like they treat everyone else. That means more you argue and engage in anything that can even be remotely misconstrued as bragging, the more vitriol you can expect from other posters.

Please note that I’m not trying to attack you personally, I’m just trying to explain why what you’ve done has gotten the response it has, and so that I don’t sound like a prick saying this:

I’m not elite, you’re not elite, and even if we were we’d be at the bottom of the elite that are active on this site. If you want to act like it, be prepared for the fallout.
The more you argue, the more you get argued with.
If you get the information you need, whether it comes sugar coated or with a whole lot of abuse doesn’t change the usefulness of the information.
You have the info you were after, and it’s infinitely better to cop the abuse than have 400 pounds decide to roll on your back while squatting.

In order to get people like me to shut up, it’s simple:

Don’t react.

Some of you guys are so provokable I couldn’t help but seek to elicit negative reactions. I don’t think people as arrogant as I’ve portrayed myself to be actually exist.

I’m actually a nice guy, I promise :slight_smile:

Gotta love 2nd year college kids.

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Gotta love 2nd year college kids.[/quote]

I was like this back in highschool.

[quote]Racarnus wrote:
T3hPwnisher wrote:
Gotta love 2nd year college kids.

I was like this back in highschool.[/quote]

This does not change the fact that I was able to identify what year of college you were in based upon your behavior.

Its shaped like a tampon for a reason.

That was a good dead lift at your weight, I have seen a 150lbs man do sets of 6 with 484lbs like it was nothing, so yeah it is possible, don’t worry about the assholes coming into your thread making accusations and ripping on the foam pad.
You might want to try a towel rolled around the bar, not quite as big and slippery as a pad can be and you can take it in your gym bag, it gives the bar more stability on the shoulders/traps especially when you are hitting heavy loads for high reps, I believe a guy called Tom Platz used to use this.
Good Luck

I’m going to go against the grain here and say that your deadlift attempt was fucking horrible. Not only did you not lock it out (so you didn’t really deadlift 405), but your form was atrocious. You did a partial deadlift to a hitch position with a floppy, concave torso. The bar was all over the place.

You will hurt yourself, badly, if you continue like that.

Squat with a pad or without a pad, who fucking cares. That’s the least of your worries. Save yourself some injury and stop deadlifting beyond your limits.

[quote]HOV wrote:
I’m going to go against the grain here and say that your deadlift attempt was fucking horrible. Not only did you not lock it out (so you didn’t really deadlift 405), but your form was atrocious. You did a partial deadlift to a hitch position with a floppy, concave torso. The bar was all over the place.

You will hurt yourself, badly, if you continue like that.

Squat with a pad or without a pad, who fucking cares. That’s the least of your worries. Save yourself some injury and stop deadlifting beyond your limits.[/quote]

But i wanna be elite at dling! waa!1!1!!

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Racarnus wrote:
T3hPwnisher wrote:
Gotta love 2nd year college kids.

I was like this back in highschool.

This does not change the fact that I was able to identify what year of college you were in based upon your behavior.[/quote]

I remember a teacher my first day of the second year in high school explaining to the class why it is called sophomore. Some people live up to the term more than others.

[quote]ninearms wrote:
You’re not very good at arguing on the internet, are you? You may as well have just brought Hitler into the equation.[/quote]

I think Bruce Lee could DL 3x BW.

I think you got your ‘real reason’ on the 4th reply to this thread. Placing the bar higher above your shoulders will eventually decrease your stability. It might not affect you now, but when/if you move up in weight, you will notice it. Its not to say that using the pad is unstable, but rather than having the bar closer against your body is more stable.

um…why is this thread still going?

You got your answer on the first page. Now, ditch the pussy pad, quit arguing about nothing, and go squat.

[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
um…why is this thread still going?

You got your answer on the first page. Now, ditch the pussy pad, quit arguing about nothing, and go squat.[/quote]

Lol…case closed.

[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
um…why is this thread still going?

You got your answer on the first page. Now, ditch the pussy pad, quit arguing about nothing, and go squat.[/quote]

Exactly.

Very well said indeed, Buckeye Girl.

It’s not my fault people can’t seem to stop posting :slight_smile:

[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
um…why is this thread still going?

You got your answer on the first page. Now, ditch the pussy pad, quit arguing about nothing, and go squat.[/quote]

I like your avatar

People squat primarily to hit their legs. Not to see if they are “man enough” to put a heavy bar on their back without a pad. Whether you use the pad or do not use the pad 500 lbs will still be 500 lbs

I would like to think this is true. However, it seems for many of the posters in this thread, it’s not a leg workout, it’s a pissing contest.

well its their way of being hardcore