Will be entering my senior football season. The first day of two-a-days we have this competition between players called “cardinal pride”, you get tested on Bench, Squat, Clean, Powerpress, 400 M dash, 25 M shuttle run, Vertical Jump and 1 Minute jump rope.
The coaches use a ratio between the results of certain tests and you’re bodyweight to give you a number of points and the person with the most points is Cardinal Pride Champion.
Anyway this is important because I really want to beat this kid who has been cocking off for three years now about winning cardinal pride when he is a senior.
I can beat him in most of these events for points, but lately I have a problem, when I squat I get severe pain in my right hip and am almost unable to walk the next day, I don’t have this problem with deadlifts, my coach said I could perform deadlifts for this competition but I was just wondering what the average difference between squat and deadlifts in weight.
I know this was very long but sometimes I do things.
Most people will be able to deadlift more then they squat. The exception of course are people who use gear, people who were built to squat, people with injuries or people who squat high.
I know personally if i had to do one for the football team, i would see how your coaches judges depth. If he passes quarter squats, you can be sure some people will have 400-500lb squats.
If he only passes full squats then i think most people will pull more then they squat.
Yesterday at the gym this kid asked to work in, i was testing out squat and working up for a triple at 405…
He was around 165lb and he was wearing a shirt that showed he played football for our city school. I was like sure, and i said i was working up to 405, he said that was fine since he could do 475lb for one. Once we got to 315 he was doing half squats, at 365 he was doing quarter squats, at 405 he was doing calf rises…
Once he saw my depth at 405lb, he said i was going too low. he asked if i played football i said no… he told me good because if i did the coach would kick me out the gym for going that low???..LOL
If this is high school football lifts, then the people squatting will be well above parallel most likely. If they are going to parallel or lower, then definitely do the deadlift. I would see how they are judging the squat though before you try to do deadlift over it.
Last year they wouldn’t count quarter squats but I don’t think anyone including myself went to parrellel or below. My coach said he would knock off some weight when he did the calculations since I was doing deadlifts and everyone else would be doing squats, but I as well as he were wondering what a fair number would be.
btw, funny story about the high school football player and squats, it kind of reminds me of myself two years ago, although I knew it would aid me more to go lower I still didn’t.
If you don’t have to go parallel try to get a wide stance and go above parallel you will do more weight then your deadlift most likely.
Hell if your coach doesn’t know any better, ask if you can use a belt and ‘knee sleves’-that are actually knee wraps- and you should definitely squat more then him that way.
Ive never really done quarter squats to my knowledge. I lift by myself in my basement, I am a pretty handy welder and I made my own equipment including a sweet ass bar. I could never tell if I was going low enough on squats so I welded myself a box that the top is just to my mid knee, when I squat I go untill I can feel that and I can probably get 365 for 5 and I can deadlift around 450.
It depends on how much the coach takes off if I deadlift, thats why I decided to ask you guys so I could give him an unbiased number.
It really depends on the person. I have ridiculously long limbs, so my squat is almost 20% lower than my deadlift. Based on your 5 rep you’re probably low 400s for your max squat, so that would be 5-10% difference for you.
Another solution would be to find out what’s wrong with your hip. Chances are, if you’re like most people, it’s sore hip flexors, so look into stretching them out and hitting them in your assistance. Also, groove briefs.
If you’re hell-bent on winning at all costs you could go pick up an issue of powerlifting USA and show him the results of some meets. If he doesn’t know much about gear, he might even add some to your deadlift #.
I’m thinking my hip problem almost has to be like a stretched muscle or tendon or something because it feels good during the day (when it would be stretched out and warmed up more) and gets sore and even disrupts my sleep at night. whatever, thanks alot, I never thought of showing him some powerlifting meet results before, now I feel dumb, but thanks alot guys.
I’d say that’s very close to accurate. I only Olympic squat right at 300, but I can deadlift 405. He’s probably talking about full squats. I would go so far as to say that 99.99% of people whose squat is within 50 lbs. of their deadlift don’t go near a full squat.
okay, I’m scared now did deadlifts last night, worked up to 445 everything felt fine but this morning I can hardly walk again. Does this warrant a trip to the hospital or should I just rest untill football wich is August 11, I honestly don’t know what to do now
Do you pull sumo or conventional? Sumo pullers get really sore hips, especially if they are squatting and pulling close together. The worst are those who squat wide and pull sumo - the hips just get blasted on both days.
If you pull conventional your hips shouldn’t really be getting that sore from pulling unless your SQ and pull are right on top of each other. If it’s just soreness you have five jobs right now: reevaluate your training program to see if your hips are getting enough rest, bust out the foam roller, sleep like my brother-in-law, eat like a horse, and look up some stretches.
Other optional activities to conquer soreness: epsom salt bath, ice massage, sauna, long walk (…or not.) You might also think about laying off on the max effort work and focusing on building up your hips.
If it’s more than just soreness, get thee to a doctor. We don’t want you Bo Jackson-ing on us.
[quote]JD4520 wrote:
okay, I’m scared now did deadlifts last night, worked up to 445 everything felt fine but this morning I can hardly walk again. Does this warrant a trip to the hospital or should I just rest untill football wich is August 11, I honestly don’t know what to do now[/quote]
Be careful. You have Piriformis Syndrome and it can become chronic. When I first got it I had to drop Squats but found I could do the Squat Sled. Then it started hurting on the sled so I dropped that. I could still run sprints so I did that… until it hurt sprinting also. Due to my stubborness to keep working something, I eventually couldn’t even do Calfs, Extensions or Curls. For 3 years my leg workout was nothing more than going for a leisurely walk. You don’t have to beet this kid that bad so give it a break.
Forget about going to the doctor that will just be frustrating for you. The first 3 doctors won’t have a clue. When you finally find one who knows Piriformis Syndrome he will just send you to physical therapy. the Physical Therapist will proceed to overwork it and make things worse.
Check out Letsrun.com. there’s a couple threads about it on there. There seems to be two groups. Those who are helped by stretching and those who are hurt by stretching. Based on your description, I would say you are like me and stretching the Hamstrings, the Glutes or the Pirifrmis is the LASTS THING THING you want to be doing.
Be smart, don’t let this be a lifetime disability like it is for me. Good luck
I would try to figure out why squatting and pulling leave you unable to walk without pain the next day. That’s more important than some BS competition that has nothing to do with football.
You need to see a doc that specializes in sports med.
[quote]on edge wrote:
JD4520 wrote:
okay, I’m scared now did deadlifts last night, worked up to 445 everything felt fine but this morning I can hardly walk again. Does this warrant a trip to the hospital or should I just rest untill football wich is August 11, I honestly don’t know what to do now
Be careful. You have Piriformis Syndrome and it can become chronic. When I first got it I had to drop Squats but found I could do the Squat Sled. Then it started hurting on the sled so I dropped that. I could still run sprints so I did that… until it hurt sprinting also.
Due to my stubborness to keep working something, I eventually couldn’t even do Calfs, Extensions or Curls. For 3 years my leg workout was nothing more than going for a leisurely walk. You don’t have to beet this kid that bad so give it a break.
Forget about going to the doctor that will just be frustrating for you. The first 3 doctors won’t have a clue. When you finally find one who knows Piriformis Syndrome he will just send you to physical therapy. the Physical Therapist will proceed to overwork it and make things worse.
Check out Letsrun.com. there’s a couple threads about it on there. There seems to be two groups. Those who are helped by stretching and those who are hurt by stretching. Based on your description, I would say you are like me and stretching the Hamstrings, the Glutes or the Pirifrmis is the LASTS THING THING you want to be doing.
Be smart, don’t let this be a lifetime disability like it is for me. Good luck[/quote]
I feel pain mostly in the front of my hip joint, it is very sharp when I first perform a movement with my leg but the pain resides shortly. Is this what you experienced, from what I read most people feel pain in the buttocks and down the leg. Thanks
[quote]TravisTouchdown wrote:
Do you pull sumo or conventional? Sumo pullers get really sore hips, especially if they are squatting and pulling close together. The worst are those who squat wide and pull sumo - the hips just get blasted on both days.
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I work for a small railroad near where I live. We put in 12 hour days 4 days a week. When I don’t work there I help my dad on the farm. So the only days I feel like lifting are friday and sunday, fridays were squatting days and sundays were pulling days, I squat with a wide stance and pull conventional. I thought the one day rest was enough but maybe my hips take longer to heal then I thought.