Hey guys.
Im 5’10 184 pounds 24-25% bf
Not much muscle.
Is it wrong that i want to go down to 155 at 10 - 15% first before i clean bulk up ?
As all the fat is on my waist and if that was gone it would motivate me to get 110% behind bodybuilding ?
What do you think ?
Do you know how to correctly get rid of fat while maintaining muscle mass?
i thought Velocity Diet will be good enough for now until i see change once i see change i feel i will be more focused on continuning its just hard to get motivated atm…
what do you think ?
Personally, I think seeing gains (size and/or strength) is much more motivating, but you have to do what you think will be best for yourself. If you want to do the V-Diet, go ahead. But I’d recommend you spend a few weeks nailing a good diet and training program first.
Try this, and t-dawg diet linked in the article.
http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=460561&cr=features
Personally I think everyone looks best at 10% bf or less, no matter how skinny you get. I think that should be your first goal, but work on training hard as well.
[quote]projectaero wrote:
Hey guys.
Im 5’10 184 pounds 24-25% bf
Not much muscle.
Is it wrong that i want to go down to 155 at 10 - 15% first before i clean bulk up ?
As all the fat is on my waist and if that was gone it would motivate me to get 110% behind bodybuilding ?
What do you think ?
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In your case I think it is wiser to cut than to begin bulking.
IMPORTANT:
Just don’t insist on “cutting” until you look “ripped” because you just don’t have the muscle mass to have that look (at this point). Instead you will look like you have a terminal disease.
Since you suggested the 10-15% BF range I would suggest that you pick an exact number BEFORE you begin cutting (say 12%) and STOP cutting as soon as you hit that number. Why? Because many beginners when they reach their percentage goal are still unsatisfied with their lack of definition and assume they need to cut further to get the ‘look’. Don’t be like them.
If I were a beginner in your shoes I would:
Learn how to eat correctly (key to getting ripped & big)
Follow a low volume STRENGTH PROGRAM
Throw in a little LOWER INTENSITY cardio
More advanced techniques do exist, but aren’t necessary for someone in your shoes (nor would your body be able to handle it at this point).
Good luck
The Velocity Diet, from what I hear, is intense enough to be difficult in following through with. Why not just focus on caloric restriction by eating quality foods below maintenance and moderate exercise 4 days a week?
With that said, I like Brant_Drake’s post it’s a good one. I also think you should check out these articles:
Power Foods - http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=867137
Foods that Make you Look Good Nekid - http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=460638
[quote]cormac wrote:
The Velocity Diet, from what I hear, is intense enough to be difficult in following through with. Why not just focus on caloric restriction by eating quality foods below maintenance and moderate exercise 4 days a week?
With that said, I like Brant_Drake’s post it’s a good one. I also think you should check out these articles:
Power Foods - http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=867137
Foods that Make you Look Good Nekid - http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=460638[/quote]
Holy shit, me and Cormac agree! This is a sign OP!
Good links cormac.
Skinny fat? Put on muscle mass. That’s what I was and that’s what I did. I was much like Chris Shugart of T-Nation; former fat boy who got too small and decided to do something about it.
V-Diet off the excess fat later, if you choose. Put on 30 lbs of muscle and then do your diet.
Just my opinion.
Whatever you decide to do, I wish you luck.
If you’re new to training, you should just train hard and clean your diet, do some cardio at the end of your sessions and you’ll end up with more muscle and less fat.
yeah i agree, at this point, just start lifting weights and learn to eat healthy, you will loose fat and gain muscle. later on you can decide to “bulk” or “cut”.
but i hate how people see them as equal phases. Cut is something actually quite easy to do once you’ve done your research, and can be finished in a few weeks.
“bulking” or gaining muscle and strength takes years and years of effort.
these two things are NOT equal
If you’re new to training, then just go in and lift as heavy as you can while starting to ease yourself onto a healthier diet. Take one food out at a time and replace it with something healthier.
The problem with starting off with something extreme like the V-Diet is that you don’t even have the discipline yet to stick to a regular healthy diet. If you just go into it cold turkey you will most likely relapse and end up back to your old ways.
If you’re completely new to training, it’s very easy to pull off the holy grail of gaining muscle while losing fat (for a little while at least). Don’t worry about ‘bulking’ or ‘cutting’ just yet. Just train hard and start to eat right and in a few months you will probably be at the same weight but at around 19-20% bf. Ride that wave as long as you can and when progress slows down, re-assess where you’re at and go from there.
If you’re above 20 percent bodyfat you need to start dropping fat. You don’t need to go on cutting cycles and bulking cycles. Just have a better diet. If you
then you will be able to lose fat and put on muscle at the same time.
[quote]Brant_Drake wrote:
cormac wrote:
The Velocity Diet, from what I hear, is intense enough to be difficult in following through with. Why not just focus on caloric restriction by eating quality foods below maintenance and moderate exercise 4 days a week?
With that said, I like Brant_Drake’s post it’s a good one. I also think you should check out these articles:
Power Foods - http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=867137
Foods that Make you Look Good Nekid - http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=460638
Holy shit, me and Cormac agree! This is a sign OP!
Good links cormac.[/quote]
x2.
Damn Cormac, did you take your sensible pills this morning?
While you could do that, I’m not sure it’s the optimum course. I’d recommend setting maintenance calories, clean up your food intake, and lift heavy for a while first.
[quote]Protoculture wrote:
projectaero wrote:
Hey guys.
Im 5’10 184 pounds 24-25% bf
Not much muscle.
Is it wrong that i want to go down to 155 at 10 - 15% first before i clean bulk up ?
As all the fat is on my waist and if that was gone it would motivate me to get 110% behind bodybuilding ?
What do you think ?
In your case I think it is wiser to cut than to begin bulking.
IMPORTANT:
Just don’t insist on “cutting” until you look “ripped” because you just don’t have the muscle mass to have that look (at this point). Instead you will look like you have a terminal disease.
Since you suggested the 10-15% BF range I would suggest that you pick an exact number BEFORE you begin cutting (say 12%) and STOP cutting as soon as you hit that number. Why? Because many beginners when they reach their percentage goal are still unsatisfied with their lack of definition and assume they need to cut further to get the ‘look’. Don’t be like them.
If I were a beginner in your shoes I would:
Learn how to eat correctly (key to getting ripped & big)
Follow a low volume STRENGTH PROGRAM
Throw in a little LOWER INTENSITY cardio
More advanced techniques do exist, but aren’t necessary for someone in your shoes (nor would your body be able to handle it at this point).
Good luck[/quote]
Totally agree. I fell into this pitfall: i cut down to where I wanted to be, and was convinced that losing even more would bring out my abs further. It didn’t. Instead, I lost all my muscle and my relatives were commenting that my skin had a yellowish hue. I’m now trying to take back what I lost…
Why can’t you gain muscle and drop body fat? Why, oh why does this myth persist? You can do both, so do both; it’s especially easy in the beginning.
I think Thibs recommended cycling 3 week bulking and cutting cycles for people who were skinny fat, though I’m not entirely sure it was him that said that.
If you have never really lifted weights you will probably be able to make decent gains even when losing weight/fat, you might want to look into Meltdown by Don Alessi, or CW’s new e-book 10/10
[quote]pat36 wrote:
Why can’t you gain muscle and drop body fat? Why, oh why does this myth persist? You can do both, so do both; it’s especially easy in the beginning.[/quote]
By which means you can accomplish both in your experience?
Im asking of sincere curiosity.
[quote]irongutted wrote:
pat36 wrote:
Why can’t you gain muscle and drop body fat? Why, oh why does this myth persist? You can do both, so do both; it’s especially easy in the beginning.
By which means you can accomplish both in your experience?
Im asking of sincere curiosity.
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http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1754646&cr=
See the second question…Yoda (Poliquin) answers it better than I can. I never think of training in terms of bulking and cutting. I see them as the same thing really, unless your a power-lifter where unnecessary bulk can be helpful in terms of momentum you don’t need to eat any sort of crap to put on weight. By the same token, clean food won’t make you fat or add fat, it will likely reduce fat even if you are eating to bulk.