Sick of the Whining

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[quote]Gorilla96 wrote:
T Affliction G wrote:
MarkN3 wrote:
Regardless, there are probably 2-3 high school kids going into their senior year each year from JCA and Providence that put up 3/5/5/ lifts. I distinctly remember a linebacker who now plays for Northwestern from JCA who pressed 365 the summer between his sophomore/junior year at a bodyweight of 225, and also a defensive tackle from Bolingbrook who now plays for Iowa who pressed 405 the summer between his junior/senior, I believe he holds the all-time record.

His name is Ryan Bain. My best friend from highschool is LB at Iowa and says he’s a beast in the weightroom. The way it sounds is that he should see a lot of playing time this upcoming season.

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Yeah I know their names. I was keeping them anon. Now that its in the open, Bain is a monster. He went from 210lbs. to 270lbs. from his junior to senior season, LB to DT. Also, the aforementioned JCA linebacker is Chris Jeske. My high school quarterback also plays for Iowa, should start next season as well. Great S&C program out there. If I don’t have any NFL opportunities when I’m done, I would love to GA for Chris Doyle as I am an exercise science major for undergrad.

IronStallion - I’m sorry, I refuse to believe that your genetics are so horrendous that you have just hit an insurmountable wall. The human body is designed to adapt. If your effort is as optimal as you say, then there has to be another hole somewhere in your program. I mentioned it on the original page, and someone else hit on it again - Self-fulfilling prophecy…

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[quote]IRoNStaLLion wrote:
ofcourse i progressed… but the gains are so pathetic i doubt you’d have any more motivation than i do if you were in my positition…

The funniest is when i see noobs that have only been lifting for like 2 months surpass my strength levels. Seriously sometimes i jsut wonder whether it was/is worth all the time/effort i put in. My gains have defeinetly not been worth the time to this date, i would have been better off sing that time to study or do community service instead of trying to become a better athelete.

To give you an idea:

when i started lifting properly (prior to this i was jsut doing leg presses machine bench and curls)… my squat was around 135 (poor form likely), bench was 120, and deadlift was like 145… (keep in mind i had already been lifting for about a year, but stupidly with crap routines)… so after 3 years of trying different things (max-ot, 5x5, custom routines involving speed training etc) my numbers are 210 parallel squat, 250 lbl deadlift and 175 lbs bench…

Now cmmon tell me you wouldn’t be discoruageed if thats all you have to show after 3 years of training… i’m noramlly to embarrsed to tell ppl how long i’ve been training for, and if someone asks i usally say only a year lol…

people’s n00b gains usually take them alot further than those numbers, but not me. I’d love to see that weekly 5-10bls gain in the main lifts, but those gains come sporadically and inconsistantly for me.

I’ve done so much research on different boards, reading searches/posts etc but its jsut not working. Thats why i get pissed when ppl start saying that genetics doens’t paly a role, because cleary with me it does.

my bodyweight is 150lbs i started at around 125 (mind you i was still growing)… now i jsut seem to be gaining bodyfat but not strength… awesome aint it?

I eat enough, and besides i don’t even care about getting anyway, its just str/speed that i’m after and if size comes with that than so be it…(basically i’m not the type that will TRY to gain mass)…

Another frustrating thing is that after follwing a well designed sprint program for over a eyar i’ve seen NO gains in 40 yard dash…

sigh…[/quote]

I hate to say this but you really have a loser’s attitude and mentality. Dude, you made gains, you made progress. Some progress faster than others. Deal with it. Who cares if Bob gained twiced as much as you in the same time? Quit looking to others and comparing, everyone is different. If you gave it your all, you get what you get. Keep at it. Actually, I’m kind of offended that you expect to have amazing gains in only 3 years of training. Meanwhile, like I said others myself including have been training for YEARS.

If you want to cry and complain, that’s fine. But its not because of your genetics.

One thing I noticed in your post you have tried like 5-7 programs in that time. There is no magic program, especially when you are beginner which you are, stick to the basics. Get off the fucking internet. Seems like you want to research everything under the sun. Do your own in th gym. Stick to the core exercises and don’t change them. Also, if you are sprinting 2-3 times a week plus heavy training goodluck trying to gain any muscle size, especially in your legs. It could be possible you are doing to much.

You say you eat enough have you read Massive Eating? That is eating enough.

Are you sleeping 8 hours a night?

If what you are currently doing isn’t working than change it. Especially your piss poor attitude.

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IronStallion,

How old are you and how much do you weigh?

-MAtt

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IronStallion, perhaps you could lay out the program designs and approaches you have been using and describe to us exactly how, where, and when you are stalling.

Without more information it will be hard for anyone to help you. It is not enough to say “The gains just aren’t coming”, we need to hear the details.

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lets see that picture

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Finally called out, huh? OK. Put up or shut up then I suppose. Can’t afford to look like a hypocrite after all that.

BUT, please note that this is NOT why I started this thread. I don’t need my physique critiqued on aesthetics, etc. That’s not why I train.

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BACK; favorite part to train.

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WHEELS; front.

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WHEELS; side.

Fair Enough?

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Fuck dude, you’re pretty yoked…

although I know that’s not why you started the thread, haha.

-MAtt

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I have nothing to say other than good job

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That’s some really good size for that height mate.

By the way, I never said it in my last post but I completley agree with your original post. I think alot of people read too much stuff too, and place equal emphasis on everything that they read - so there’s too much emphasis on incidentals & not nearly enough on the important stuff (the basics).

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beast…enough said

keep up the good work bro

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Regarding the Einstein spelling issue.

He was dyslexic.

Of course he was a bad speller. IronStallion is intellectually lazy. There is quite a difference. I watched many a waifish young man bust through the expectations levied upon him by the world and himself through sheer force of will.

That is one of the glories of being a positive person and going out to do things in life. If you go above and beyond you will see others that go above and beyond. You will change your peerage.

Read the article below. Like Einstein, Da Vinci, and Edison you have to see beyond where you are now… You have to see what you want and how you are going to get there. All you see are failures, I see experience. Now you know that certain things don’t work for you give certain circumstances.“You are not a precious little snowflake.” My father told me something similar throughout my childhood. You life isn’t the easiest, or the hardest, someone before you has taken similar circumstances and done something great with them. Do what you will.

That is all.

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you are a beast

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Your big toe and second toe on your right foot are too far apart. I’d work on that… you fuckin animal.

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I didnt read through that entire post because it was about 10 pages long…but I agree.

My HS team had several 450+ squatters, 400+ DL’s, and I think, my senior class had 3 or 4 300lb benchers…and then there was me, who set the school record with 425.

But remember, anytime anyone lifts over 200lbs, they’re on drugs.

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I would be interested in hearing about your experiences with Evo Sport. Anything you can tell us? What about Inno Sport?

Thanks

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[quote]Modi wrote:
One of the things everyone is missing here is that most people that suck aren’t going to post their numbers.

That leaves only two other groups of people to post.

  1. Those people who have (atleast in their minds) above average lifts.

  2. Trolls and wannabee’s who quarter squat 405 and call it ATG.

So the beginners who read this site end up with the impression that everyone starts with a 300lb bench, 400lb squat and 500lb deadlift and then works their way up.

It is much more common to see someone post grossly inflated numbers, rather than risking being ridiculed for what may be perceived as weaker numbers.

The reason so many people whine about their strength/genetics/etc. is that they assume that everyone is better than them, when in reality half the people on this site either don’t post their numbers or post illegitimate numbers.[/quote]

Yes, as a newb, seeing huge numbers is frustrating at times.

But it is also motivational and inspiring.

Newbs should realize, they do not “deserve” huge numbers, because they have not “earned” them yet.

Nor should they expect them right away.

Life is all about perspective and setting realistic expectations. People are disappointed when they have delusional expectations. Then they whine about not meeting them.

Many of you helpful vets here make it abundantly clear that this is a long term pursuit.

Therefore people should not be surprised when they do not hit big numbers right off the bat.

There is no need to whine or make excuses because there is nothing to whine about as long as you keep making progress.

new2

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[quote]new2training wrote:

Newbs should realize, they do not “deserve” huge numbers, because they have not “earned” them yet.

Nor should they expect them right away.

Life is all about perspective and setting realistic expectations. People are disappointed when they have delusional expectations. Then they whine about not meeting them.

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I think most peoples problem is setting goals that are to low

for instance every day or two there is some one posting new threads about how they want to bulk to 170 or 180 or the guys who put a 300lb bench as thier life time goal

however I never see people who set real hard goals that arent busting ass to get them but people who set low goals usualy half ass them

guys who want to bulk to 300 spend hundreds of hours reading about it and thousands of hours lifting and eating guys who want to be 180 ask other people to give them diets and make workout programs for them

yeah the 180lb guy is setting a reasonable goal but who wants to be average gains who wants to be average strength or size setting a hard goal means aknoledging that your going to have to work harder than the others and that is what makes great bodybuilders and powerlifters

Dr.n3wb