[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Please stop using that God awful term - “FFB”. Thank you in advance.
Shugart sure LOVES to put labels, and limitations, on people.
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Agreed. Considering most newbies today grew up playing X-box more than they played outside, it is a safe bet that most “FFB’s” are just people who were previously untrained and lazy. That does NOT mean you need to approach training completely differently than everyone else.
[quote]roybot wrote:
It seems that a lot of ‘FFBs’ are terrified of bulking after a period of weight loss. It’s only natural to be afraid of gaining the weight back, but then you’ve also got to consider that people get out of shape because they don’t exercise and their eating habits spiral out of control. There is no discipline involved.
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This is a topic that should given more focus. It seems that FFBs are generally discouraged from bulking after dieting.
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I had an interesting revelation this weekend. I weighed myself for the first time since late-September.
A couple years ago, I lost 70lbs-- 242–>172. Fat to abs, then decided I wanted to put some mass back on before while I still can (I’m 37 and time is running out).
The hardest mental barrier was to eat, eat, and eat— in otherwords, pack it on right, but without going fat.
Anyway, I weighed myself yesterday and I’m 236, 6 pounds from where I started as a total fat ass (let myself go for about 8 years).
I put 3 good inches on my arms, only went up a couple jean sizes and back in my ‘big’ shirts, EXCEPT they’re nice and tight in the chest and arms, and not so much the belly. Lifts are better than ever and recent squat/DL PR’s.
But.How…? I got over the abs. I’ve proven to myself time and time again that I can lose the weight and that I’m only 90 or so days from being relatively lean. MUCH, MUCH, MUCH harder to add muscle for sure.
More revelation-- I never thought that I’d EVER have to force feed myself to get enough protein + cals. I’m there. I’m six pounds from my heaviest all-time scale weight (albeit fat weight), and I’m making myself eat more.
But.Why…? Pushing around weights that I never have before, getting compliments that I’m getting big (good big), and recently having people comment about ‘weightlifting’ outside of the gym is magnitudes more satisfying than ‘hawt abz’.
Much bigger challenge with much bigger payoff and much bigger reward (and bigger muscles and bigger shirts).
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I had an interesting revelation this weekend. I weighed myself for the first time since late-September.
A couple years ago, I lost 70lbs: 242–>172. Fat to abs, then decided I wanted to put some mass back on before while I still can (I’m 37 and time is running out).
The hardest mental barrier was to eat, eat, and eat— in otherwords, pack it on right, but without going fat.
Anyway, I weighed myself yesterday and I’m 236, 6 pounds from where I started as a total fat ass (let myself go for about 8 years).
I put 3 good inches on my arms (14+ to 17+), only went up a couple jean sizes and back in my ‘big’ shirts, EXCEPT they’re nice and tight in the chest and arms, and not so much the belly. Lifts are better than ever and recent squat/DL PR’s.
But.How…? I got over the abs. I’ve proven to myself time and time again that I can lose the weight and that I’m only 90 or so days from being relatively lean. MUCH, MUCH, MUCH harder to add muscle for sure.
More revelation-- I never thought that I’d EVER have to force feed myself to get enough protein + cals. I’m there. I’m six pounds from my heaviest all-time scale weight (albeit fat weight), and I’m making myself eat more.
But.Why…? Pushing around weights that I never have before, getting compliments that I’m getting big (good big), and recently having people comment about ‘weightlifting’ outside of the gym is magnitudes more satisfying than ‘hawt abz’.
Much bigger challenge with much bigger payoff and much bigger reward (and bigger muscles and bigger shirts).[/quote]
Exactly. People who have been overweight at some point in their lives generally seem to think that it is easy to gain weight while training regularly. Even if you eat a lot, it’s damned hard.
I used the much maligned term ‘FFB’, because they are usually told that bulking should be avoided at all costs. I don’t think that bulking after losing the weight from an inactive lifestyle is discussed often enough. It certainly doesn’t have to be avoided.
The’FFB’ is usually brainwashed into thinking that bulking is the devil, and it’s often those people that get very confrontational when the subject of bulking comes up in conversation.
Last year I bulked on the “Eat everything in site” diet. I bulked up a good bit gained a ton of fat though. So I figured that I would diet down and get real lean so, my next bulk would be more effective.
I will never make this mistake again so, now i am doing a clean bulk and it is working great. I am not as lean as before but I am keeping a lot of definition and striations being up 15lbs over two months. I hate when people try to say its impossible to clean bulk and be effective. If your eating 4,000cals a day wouldn’t it be better if it was from quality foods instead of crap. Why dont people try eating nuts, nut butter, avocados, various oils (i just pour them in protein shakes) that is an extremely easy way to increase cals. IF people are afraid of gaining weight back why dont they start with a clean bulk. A caloric surplus is a caloric surplus no matter how you dice it, I would just rather have my surplus come from relatively clean foods…
[quote]IronDude17 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
It isn’t that it couldn’t have been done before that. It is that since it hadn’t been SEEN, people avoided believing it was even possible…and thusly restricted their own progress subconsciously.
I think this is the problem. Why would people believe in becoming huge since none of these naysayers sees the damn process. You’re considered lucky to see a competitor in contest shape walking around and even luckier to see them in off-season where you can see firsthand they do not advocate eating at BK every 2 seconds. What’s the chance someone who has a self-limiting mindset sees either? But then again, what’s the chance they ever will?
Then again, even if someone DOES see a person in either form, it’s so damn foreign looking it’s hard to relate to that I guess. Too little exposure/existence of bodybuilders for anyone to really take notice I guess.
Also, this seems like a great time to plug MD’s Hardcore Gym Registry. Self-explanatory so check it out everyone!
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Nice link - glad to see that my gym’s on there, although it doesn’t surprise me. They held the most recent NYS USAPL meet.
Kinda weird how Planet Fitness isn’t listed though. Must be an error on MD’s part.
[quote]MUthrows94 wrote:
Last year I bulked on the “Eat everything in site” diet. I bulked up a good bit gained a ton of fat though. So I figured that I would diet down and get real lean so, my next bulk would be more effective.
I will never make this mistake again so, now i am doing a clean bulk and it is working great. I am not as lean as before but I am keeping a lot of definition and striations being up 15lbs over two months. I hate when people try to say its impossible to clean bulk and be effective. If your eating 4,000cals a day wouldn’t it be better if it was from quality foods instead of crap. Why dont people try eating nuts, nut butter, avocados, various oils (i just pour them in protein shakes) that is an extremely easy way to increase cals. IF people are afraid of gaining weight back why dont they start with a clean bulk. A caloric surplus is a caloric surplus no matter how you dice it, I would just rather have my surplus come from relatively clean foods…
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Guy, if anyone is gaining “a ton of fat” they are doing it wrong. There didn’t used to be such a need for ten different names for the same activity just so people don’t think “bulk” = “get fat as fuck”.
Why do you think “eat everything in sight” is the message?
Do you think the rest of us “eat everything in sight” with complete disregard for WHAT we are gaining?
[quote]IronDude17 wrote:
Also, this seems like a great time to plug MD’s Hardcore Gym Registry. Self-explanatory so check it out everyone!
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Cool.
Looks like I need to check out a gym. It’s no even that far from my house.
Everyone who is using MD’s gym search and is actually finding places near them . . . I hate you.
[quote]IronDude17 wrote:
Everyone who is using MD’s gym search and is actually finding places near them . . . I hate you.[/quote]
Don’t get too upset. The one I found closes at 9pm during the week and 7pm on the weekends. I HATE gyms that aren’t open 24 hours.
The one I used to train at 2 years ago had a key card access. You could train at 8am on Christmas day if you wanted.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
IronDude17 wrote:
Everyone who is using MD’s gym search and is actually finding places near them . . . I hate you.
Don’t get too upset. The one I found closes at 9pm during the week and 7pm on the weekends. I HATE gyms that aren’t open 24 hours.
The one I used to train at 2 years ago had a key card access. You could train at 8am on Christmas day if you wanted.[/quote]
dude- thats awesome. I wish we had something like that around here. Best thing I have is the local YMCA…ugh.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
IronDude17 wrote:
Everyone who is using MD’s gym search and is actually finding places near them . . . I hate you.
Don’t get too upset. The one I found closes at 9pm during the week and 7pm on the weekends. I HATE gyms that aren’t open 24 hours.
The one I used to train at 2 years ago had a key card access. You could train at 8am on Christmas day if you wanted.[/quote]
Haha I was actually just kidding. They need to put some damn emoticons up in here!
And that sounds like an early closing but I’m never at the gym that late anyways . . . ahhh the life of a student. And key card? Seriously? Awesome. Your fault for moving away from that one!
Hey there! Thanks for the really enlightening messages on this thread but I am a little confused about to what extent eating “dirty” and becoming a fat slob is allowed. I weight 160 lb at 5’11’’ and I have just started my diet and training program. I usually try to eat all the “clean” things (including lots of protein from meat), and then pad it up by eating extra carbs like rice or potatoes to make sure I have enough calories.
I am NOT concerned about gaining belly fat in the process. But do I have to go all out and make sure that I become a fat slob before I start cutting? Or is it ok to maintain a healthy diet supplemented by “some” extra carbs? Thanks.
Melvin Wells. The first bodybuilder with 19" arms.
Leroy has a ton of other shit on his web site about who competed
back then.
People will always be held back by what they see as possible. Imagine the heart it took to be the first to break that line of thought.
[quote]Philosopher_dude wrote:
Hey there! Thanks for the really enlightening messages on this thread but I am a little confused about to what extent eating “dirty” and becoming a fat slob is allowed. I weight 160 lb at 5’11’’ and I have just started my diet and training program. I usually try to eat all the “clean” things (including lots of protein from meat), and then pad it up by eating extra carbs like rice or potatoes to make sure I have enough calories. I am NOT concerned about gaining belly fat in the process. But do I have to go all out and make sure that I become a fat slob before I start cutting? Or is it ok to maintain a healthy diet supplemented by “some” extra carbs? Thanks.[/quote]
The goal is not to be fat.
The goal is to gain as much muscle as possible.
WHY do people think the goal is to gain more body fat?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Imagine the heart it took to be the first to break that line of thought.[/quote]
And faith, tubby!
[quote]MUthrows94 wrote:
Last year I bulked on the “Eat everything in site” diet. I bulked up a good bit gained a ton of fat though. So I figured that I would diet down and get real lean so, my next bulk would be more effective.
I will never make this mistake again so, now i am doing a clean bulk and it is working great. I am not as lean as before but I am keeping a lot of definition and striations being up 15lbs over two months. I hate when people try to say its impossible to clean bulk and be effective. If your eating 4,000cals a day wouldn’t it be better if it was from quality foods instead of crap. Why dont people try eating nuts, nut butter, avocados, various oils (i just pour them in protein shakes) that is an extremely easy way to increase cals. IF people are afraid of gaining weight back why dont they start with a clean bulk. A caloric surplus is a caloric surplus no matter how you dice it, I would just rather have my surplus come from relatively clean foods…
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Who the fuck said anything about eating taco bell 6 meals a day?
Yea - avocados, nuts, EVOO, peanut oil, lean read meat, etc… no shit.
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
MUthrows94 wrote:
Last year I bulked on the “Eat everything in site” diet. I bulked up a good bit gained a ton of fat though. So I figured that I would diet down and get real lean so, my next bulk would be more effective.
I will never make this mistake again so, now i am doing a clean bulk and it is working great. I am not as lean as before but I am keeping a lot of definition and striations being up 15lbs over two months. I hate when people try to say its impossible to clean bulk and be effective. If your eating 4,000cals a day wouldn’t it be better if it was from quality foods instead of crap. Why dont people try eating nuts, nut butter, avocados, various oils (i just pour them in protein shakes) that is an extremely easy way to increase cals. IF people are afraid of gaining weight back why dont they start with a clean bulk. A caloric surplus is a caloric surplus no matter how you dice it, I would just rather have my surplus come from relatively clean foods…
Who the fuck said anything about eating taco bell 6 meals a day?
Yea - avocados, nuts, EVOO, peanut oil, lean read meat, etc… no shit.
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I just don’t understand the mental state someone has to be in to think “eat with gaining muscle as the main priority” equals the same as “get fat as fuck”.
NO ONE has written that the goal is to get fat.
NO ONE has written that they eat fucking Taco Bell 6 times a day.
So why the hell are these comments popping up like someone actually did write that?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
SkyNett wrote:
Who the fuck said anything about eating taco bell 6 meals a day?
Yea - avocados, nuts, EVOO, peanut oil, lean read meat, etc… no shit.
I just don’t understand the mental state someone has to be in to think “eat with gaining muscle as the main priority” equals the same as “get fat as fuck”.
NO ONE has written that the goal is to get fat.
NO ONE has written that they eat fucking Taco Bell 6 times a day.
So why the hell are these comments popping up like someone actually did write that?[/quote]
Because people are either illiterate or they just don’t bother to read the whole thread in their rush to post their precious opinion.
It’s like Ed Norton says in Fight Club “Most people don’t listen, they’re just waiting for their turn to talk.”
And to the guy who’s asking if he needs to become a fat slob before dieting down - You weigh 160 pounds and you just started training. Mostly anything you do will improve your body composition at this point.
I think that it has more to do with lack of documentation + gym folklore than anything.
People need to stop reading into this to think that it is permission to eat burger king and taco bell all day. This is about eating tons of QUALITY food and busting ass in the gym.
The people posting “SWEET I GET TACOS AND McNUGGETS ALL DAY NOW” are the same ones you see doing bicep curls in the squat rack in the gym.