Nice remark, IronDude17, but factual knowledge can provide a key, it can be a Rosetta stone for deciphering the signs. For those who don’ t have an inborn hearing, learning the notes and theory can be a path to listening to their body, so to say + experience, of course. And in many cases people with years of disastrous nutrition receive " fake signals " from their body.
[quote]ignignokt wrote:
With all due respect, you guys care far too much about what other people think. Convincing others that what you’re doing is “right” is just a waste of energy and time.[/quote]
The guys that care about what other people think are the ones fighting to keep their abs at all costs. I would bet serious money that the majority of them think that way because they are too hung up on how they appear to others.
I’m not against it if is his preference. The problem starts when he and other like -minded individuals gate crash a forum on how to get as big as possible, then proceed to tell everyone that you can hit your genetic limit on a cutting diet.
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He might be perfectly happy being average size with ripped abz. Or he might wake up 10 years from now and weigh 175 lbs and think he wasted a decade of time and effort. Either way, it doesn’t (and shouldn’t) affect you personally.
Throw the information out there and people who get it will listen. Some will get it. Some won’t. Move on.[/quote]
What else do you think this thread is for other than ‘throwing the information out there’? If you think we’re all sitting around ‘high-fiving’ each other for sharing the same views, I’m afraid you’ve missed the point.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
It’s been quieter for some reason since that last Shugart thread.[/quote]
I think that might have something to do with him acting like a totally unprofessional tool in that thread - but I could be wrong.
I don’t understand why some people think whatever they do has to be one extreme or another. It’s either I’m eating “fish and a rice cake” or I’m eating big macs all day long. God forbid someone found a middle ground.
I just wanted to clarify that I’m not trying to convince other people that bodybuilding is “right” at all. I simply want people to open their minds and accept another perspective. People on a finger painting forum can talk to me all day about the methods and I will not bash them for not being fit and muscular at all.
I’m not stuffy and don’t stick my nose in the air when people dig their hands into a bag of chips. It’s simply about being open-minded and accepting other perspectives as possible.
[quote]matsm21 wrote:
I don’t understand why some people think whatever they do has to be one extreme or another. It’s either I’m eating “fish and a rice cake” or I’m eating big macs all day long. God forbid someone found a middle ground.[/quote]
Do you have a formula to help me find this “middle ground” you speak of? Can a brother get some coefficients or some vectors or something? I’m making a spread sheet and hiring a NASA engineer to help me calculate how much I should be eating to gain the right amount of obesity.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
MUthrows94 wrote:
Well before everyone has a heart attack I felt misinformed. I never said that any of your goals or mine were to get “fat as F$ck”. I see people running around the forums coming up with excuses for eating like Sh!t. And some people claim its impossoble to get the right amount of calories in without eating complete crap all day, and i was just stating that, that is false.
Even that needs to be put into context. If some 17 year old kid who is involved in sports after school, is extremely active and has a fast metabolism is trying to gain the most muscle possible, could you list for me the reasons why he should avoid a fucking taco or 12.[/quote]
True i do agree with that, someone with a fast metabolism will obviously need to manipulate their diet accordingly.
To the Ab crowd: having had abs and then losing some of the definition within the past 6 months or so, I would say i received more compliments now that I am heavier an fuller than when i was leaner.
[quote]Terrace Lad wrote:
Nice remark, IronDude17, but factual knowledge can provide a key, it can be a Rosetta stone for deciphering the signs. For those who don’ t have an inborn hearing, learning the notes and theory can be a path to listening to their body, so to say + experience, of course. And in many cases people with years of disastrous nutrition receive " fake signals " from their body.[/quote]
Inborn hearing? I don’t think I received that one when I was conceived or that I’m a lucky star. It’s something that I feel happens naturally when a certain mindset + competency + progress is realized. This isn’t something that happened on Day 1 of my lifting career. And for those who receive years worth of “fake signals,” I think they may simply lack common sense which is needed for something like this.
IronDude,
DO you think people who are extremely successful in this, or simply being successful in general have “common sense”, or a “uncommon sense”…
My muscles tell me how much to eat, not my body fat.
When they’re doing what I want that’s how much I have to eat and that’s how much fat I have to put up with.
When they don’t, I eat more and same as above.
If I found myself getting fatter without a corresponding response from my muscles I’d eat less.
All I need now is 2000 studies and a million armchair experts to help me make that more complicated.
Haha Well played, sir. Well played.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
My muscles tell me how much to eat, not my body fat.
When they’re doing what I want that’s how much I have to eat and that’s how much fat I have to put up with.
When they don’t, I eat more and same as above.
If I found myself getting fatter without a corresponding response from my muscles I’d eat less.
All I need now is 2000 studies and a million armchair experts to help me make that more complicated.[/quote]
But, can’t you at least give this a flashy techno sounding name or something?
Sheesh.
[quote]IronDude17 wrote:
This isn’t something that happened on Day 1 of my lifting career.[/quote]
Exactly! If there is no " inborn hearing ", there is experience and documentation.
[quote]Terrace Lad wrote:
IronDude17 wrote:
This isn’t something that happened on Day 1 of my lifting career.
Exactly! If there is no " inborn hearing ", there is experience and documentation.[/quote]
But…doesn’t my two years spent simply reading the articles here count as “experience”? I mean, I know EVERYTHING that “author” has ever written and am nearly ready to hit the gym…soon.
Through experience I mean practice, not theory. I had the chance to meet people with years of lifting irons but very few results. They did lack alot on the theoretical side of things. This isn’ t always the case of course. Practice + theory is a lethal combination in all areas for shure.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
But…doesn’t my two years spent simply reading the articles here count as “experience”? I mean, I know EVERYTHING that “author” has ever written and am nearly ready to hit the gym…soon.[/quote]
Dude - keep reading. You’ll be ready enough to actually pick up a weight soon.
By the time you’re 50 - or, say 60 years old, you’ll be ready to start building that brick shithouse.
But watch your abs - don’t want to lose those, even at 60!!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
But…doesn’t my two years spent simply reading the articles here count as “experience”? I mean, I know EVERYTHING that “author” has ever written and am nearly ready to hit the gym…soon.[/quote]
Two years? You’ve been here for like 10! Oh yea, I apologize, you weren’t working out for the first eight. My mistake. That time was creating formulas and prepping for the eventual release into wild in which you join a gym and calculate the unknown into pretty little boxes so you can make sense of the world . . .
[quote]IronDude17 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
But…doesn’t my two years spent simply reading the articles here count as “experience”? I mean, I know EVERYTHING that “author” has ever written and am nearly ready to hit the gym…soon.
Two years? You’ve been here for like 10! Oh yea, I apologize, you weren’t working out for the first eight. My mistake. That time was creating formulas and prepping for the eventual release into wild in which you join a gym and calculate the unknown into pretty little boxes so you can make sense of the world . . .[/quote]
Lifting weights? I need to do that?
Do I have to lift heavy or is doing “5x5” enough? I hate to sweat and clearly doing this specific number of reps will add muscle and bring out my abs all at the same time.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Even that needs to be put into context. If some 17 year old kid who is involved in sports after school, is extremely active and has a fast metabolism is trying to gain the most muscle possible, could you list for me the reasons why he should avoid a fucking taco or 12.[/quote]
Well, if he doesn’t like Mexican food, he should probably avoid the tacos…
And eat McDonalds instead. I know I prefer McDonalds (and find it hard to hit 5000 Cal without the occasional burger or three).
If this thread is for “throwing information out there” then it has failed. If you actually read this thread you’ll find very little real information. Very few posts in this thread (including my own) add any value to it.