She's Letting Herself Go

orion · January 6, 2010, 10:45pm

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]buffalokilla wrote:

[quote]HynesKetchup wrote:
If he was trying to get that point across then he wasn’t very successful. If he was talking about diet control and how it applies to exercise then why would he not be giving sample meal plans designed to support weight loss? Instead he states such fallacies as “Turning fat into muscle.” Laughable
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TIME is the pop media here; the actual work behind it was decent if not of the “no shit” variety. I do agree, though, that he’s not the best writer for laymen.

You’d mentioned doctors before; that’s whom I was applying the malice for stupidity thing to. Pharmaceutical companies are evil by and large, I agree, at the administrative level anyway.

The OP should try hitting her.
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If most people were as evil as pharma companies we would live in a better world.

Oooohhhh, they develop drugs against diseases for, gasp, money!

The audacity to turn diseases that were death sentences mere decades into nothing but a mild inconvience!

Bastards.

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While I don’t subscribe to the theory that big pharma is inherently evil, it is a bit naive to think that profit margins and organic growth are not significant drivers of where capital is allocated, moreso than idea of saving the human race from disease. Granted, they often intersect but big pharma devotes a LOT of money to finding new ways to extend patents to avoid a drug going generic, which has no inherent benefit to humanity.

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If they plough the money back into their company it has.

Now I do agree that pharma compoanies are very politically active companies but they work in a very politized envuironment.

I think it is a bit unfair to make the whole field muddy and then blame the players if their hands get dirty.

HynesKetchup · January 6, 2010, 10:59pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]HynesKetchup wrote:

[quote]buffalokilla wrote:

[quote]HynesKetchup wrote:
“Exercise doesn’t make you lose weight” in a recent TIME article? The majority of doctor’s want to keep you sick and unhealthy, because a sick and fearful populace is easy to control.
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Don’t use the Time article as an example of your point here. The author knew exactly what he was talking about; that diet control is much more important than spending 20 minutes on an elliptical when it comes to weight loss. The retards in pop media are the ones who can’t read and spun it out of control.

On the second part there, don’t attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity.

SmilingPolitely, the reason you continuously see posts like that by guys here is that most decent guys (no offense HM) don’t post a lot in that area, sort of how good deeds don’t get reported on the news. They’re out there, just not often on the internet bragging about it.[/quote]

If he was trying to get that point across then he wasn’t very successful. If he was talking about diet control and how it applies to exercise then why would he not be giving sample meal plans designed to support weight loss? Instead he states such fallacies as “Turning fat into muscle.” Laughable

Well it’s a combination of both Malice and stupidity. The lobbyists for the pharmaceutical companies want to make a good profit, even if their products are bad for people, and the Doctor’s don’t do enough research about the products they are recommending. I mean why should a “Cure” you are recommending someone have 20 negative side effects?

But let’s not get this derail this potential troll’s thread. Back on topic for me.
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What is with blaming doctors because YOU got sick?

The cure? The best cure is PREVENTION…something the average American is taking NO part of until something falls apart or they start to feel pain. Most people, and that includes many of the ones who claim doctors don’t want to cure people, do NOT seek medical care in order to AVOID getting sick. They don’t go until they already are sick. You don’t CURE diabetes. You don’t CURE high blood pressure. You PREVENT these by not putting yourself at risk to start with.

You are also blaming doctors for not doing enough research, when the truth is, some of the negative effects of these drugs from long term use are not even studied until they have been on the market for some time…so what research did they miss if none was done that showed any negative effects? Fen Phen didn’t kill people because doctors didn’t do enough research. There are risks with any medication…ANY, including aspirin.

When people like you cry about doctors not wanting to cure people, it makes me wonder what world you live on where the average person tries to live a healthy life and seek medical care before they get sick.

It doesn’t happen for 90% of the population so why pretend like it does?

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Thanks for assuming that my problem with doctors is because I couldn’t take care of myself.

I don’t get sick often, I take my Vitamin D, supplement with Magnesium and Essential Saccharides and Flax seeds, eat healthy and haven’t gotten the flu shot in years, yet, Gasp I don’t get sick somehow. I know all about preventive medicine, and I’m not using Doctor’s as a scapegoat for my own screw ups.

I know you may get that attitude from your patients, but it’s not where I was coming from.

HolyMacaroni · January 6, 2010, 11:00pm

[quote]RBlue wrote:

a bunch of stuff

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Professor_X · January 6, 2010, 11:24pm

[quote]HynesKetchup wrote:

Thanks for assuming that my problem with doctors is because I couldn’t take care of myself.

I don’t get sick often, I take my Vitamin D, supplement with Magnesium and Essential Saccharides and Flax seeds, eat healthy and haven’t gotten the flu shot in years, yet, Gasp I don’t get sick somehow.[/quote]

How old are you? I don’t exactly get sick much either but unless you are over the age of 35, many of the diseases that you are even prone to get won’t begin to show their head until later.

I just don’t understand the self righteousness. I am pretty sure if you took a poll, that most serious lifters on this site don’t get sick often. That doesn’t mean they may not later be at risk if for no other reason than AGE.

buffalokilla · January 6, 2010, 11:36pm

[quote]orion wrote:

I think it is a bit unfair to make the whole field muddy and then blame the players if their hands get dirty.

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You do have a point there; the legal system and a sue-happy public are partly to blame too.

SmilingPolitely · January 6, 2010, 11:38pm

Can I just clarify that I did not say that men are reason women are weak today. I pointed out that many on this site bemoan the pussification of males. I then said that in response to men becoming less masculine, women are turning themselves weaker. Basically that most women still want to view men as the stronger sex and when that is not present, they will degrade themselves. Thereby we are stuck in a never ending cycle of men becoming even larger pussies to appease women who feel the need to become even more dependent on these wimps.

Shitty sitcoms staring the hot, sassy wife and bumbling husband gave many women an inflated ego and a false sense of superiority. Instead of using that to assert any sort of equality or power, most squandered it on petty bickering over color schemes and remote control domination. We had our chance to step up to the plate and do something and we never took the bat off our shoulder. That’s depressing.

Now we are left living in a society where deceit is the norm. Being upfront and honest is considered rude and we can’t even speak frankly with our significant others.

njrusmc · January 6, 2010, 11:41pm

^ Smiling

I think we are in violent agreement. I agree with everything you just said.

countingbeans · January 7, 2010, 1:33am

[quote]buffalokilla wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

I think it is a bit unfair to make the whole field muddy and then blame the players if their hands get dirty.

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You do have a point there; the legal system and a sue-happy public are partly to blame too.[/quote]

The fact that America is so litigation prone hurts it in many many many ways.

HynesKetchup · January 7, 2010, 6:20am

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]HynesKetchup wrote:

Thanks for assuming that my problem with doctors is because I couldn’t take care of myself.

I don’t get sick often, I take my Vitamin D, supplement with Magnesium and Essential Saccharides and Flax seeds, eat healthy and haven’t gotten the flu shot in years, yet, Gasp I don’t get sick somehow.[/quote]

How old are you? I don’t exactly get sick much either but unless you are over the age of 35, many of the diseases that you are even prone to get won’t begin to show their head until later.

I just don’t understand the self righteousness. I am pretty sure if you took a poll, that most serious lifters on this site don’t get sick often. That doesn’t mean they may not later be at risk if for no other reason than AGE.[/quote]

I’m 23, will be 24 this year. What diseases are you referring to?

It’s not self-righteousness man. My mom and my dad are the same way, both are over 50, and both lead healthy lifestyles, they haven’t had any crazy diseases, nor do they plan to (God willing). I mean, we rarely have dessert after our meals, there is no pop in our house, my dad is on all of our backs about Vitamin D supplementation. Not to mention he markets a natural skin cream made for people with any kind of skin condition (Psoriasis, Eczema, etc) called Biolanyn and is a natural health consultant. We also grow the majority of our produce in a 300 foot garden in the summer.

We don’t depend on Doctors, and I guess it all started when I was 3 and I got Tonsillitis 2 times in a row and the doctor threatened my mom to remove my tonsils if I had it again. Upon hearing this she went and started doing some research about natural remedies like Eccinecia and stuff like that, and I never got Tonsillitis again.

I’ve always tried to educate myself, not out of self-righteousness, just because I want to be the best person I can be.

MytchBucanan · January 7, 2010, 11:44pm

[quote]HynesKetchup wrote:

[quote]Producer wrote:

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Anti-depressants cause weight gain. This guy is screwed.
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I didn’t suggest anti-depressants (that’s what a psychiatrist is for), all though that may be an option after some other efforts are made.

I don’t believe weight gain is the norm for anti-depressant users.
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Anti- Depressants? You are retarded for even considering that as an option. Have you read nothing on this site? That girl needs to be supplementing with 2000+ IUs of Vitamin D per day, then tell me if she is still F’ing Depressed. Anti-Depressants are the frigging worst thing Big Pharma has come up with. Vitamin D improves your mood, The majority of people are vitamin D deficient, especially children and youths, hence why there are more and more people suffering from depression.

Now I realize that Vitamin D doesn’t cure bad thought patterns or make choices for people, but it’s a good start, and far better then some pill that was made to make you sicker.
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HynesKetchup, Good words! I’m sick of the drug companies. You can’t watch television for more than 5 ninutes without seeing a commercial for the latest drug. I believe it all starts with what thoughts you choose to create.

Nominal_Prospect · January 8, 2010, 10:01am

Alternative medicine is definitely the way to go for people in this community. I don’t understand why anyone who takes weight training seriously would look up to doctors as authorities on health matters. Especially for people who have done AAS, the ignorance of these quacks is simply comical.

The medical establishment is pro-carb, pro-aerobics, anti-fat, anti-protein, anti-lifting, anti-supplements, pro-drugs. Doctors specialize in treating symptoms rather than diseases and ignoring the underlying causes.

It fucking sucks that you have to fight tooth and nail at many clinics just to get access to your own records, or to get basic testing done, or to view the results of those tests. You sit down with a doctor and get treated like a 5 year old even if you know more than they do about a particular condition. That’s bullshit.

Anything that takes the medical profession down a few notches is okay in my book.

tootles27 · January 8, 2010, 3:21pm

[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:

Yes, it was the slap in the face I needed, but it is not for everyone. [/quote]

That is right, it’s not for everyone. If someone tried to strongarm me like that, I would tell them to take a hike no matter what my feelings were for someone.

Maybe she is overwhelmed with parenting. I know for years I felt drained and never had any time for myself. People will poke holes in my story and that’s fine. I know that the choices I made were the best that I could do for my kid and if someone else wants to shit on me for not being perfect then go ahead. I wish that was all I had to worry about.

SmilingPolitely · January 8, 2010, 4:17pm

[quote]tootles27 wrote:

[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:

Yes, it was the slap in the face I needed, but it is not for everyone. [/quote]

That is right, it’s not for everyone. If someone tried to strongarm me like that, I would tell them to take a hike no matter what my feelings were for someone.

Maybe she is overwhelmed with parenting. I know for years I felt drained and never had any time for myself. People will poke holes in my story and that’s fine. I know that the choices I made were the best that I could do for my kid and if someone else wants to shit on me for not being perfect then go ahead. I wish that was all I had to worry about.
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We are already assuming that the OP is willing to offer help where needed which would lead one to believe that should his wife need some time to herself she could have it. I can’t speak for your situation, but from what we have been told, this woman does have a support system in place if she wants to use it.

I also don’t think the OP is complaining that his wife doesn’t have a six-pack; she is 100+ pounds over weight. He has stated that she won’t even take the steps to eat right. That, to me, is a big problem.

My example was extreme and worked for me because I respond to someone challenging me. Now the OP might not take the exact same approach, but he needs to be honest about what he wants and needs from his wife. The larger she gets, the harder it is going to be to keep up with a young child and I am sure he does not want those bad traits passed on to their son.

Obviously the woman needs some sort of help; and chances are seeing a therapist would be a good idea. Again, it seems that the OP has tried the gentle approach and was met with resistance. Now is the time for a little tough love before things fall apart beyond repair.

In my situation it was less about weight (I was still quite skinny) as it was about health. I was smoking and drinking heavily, eating a lot of bad shit, stressed beyond belief, etc. I was also constantly complaining about feeling “fat”. My bf basically said either do something about it or stop bitching. He knew he could not live with a person who was negative and constantly made excuses why she couldn’t change her life.

If it was just about her weight, I would not have mentioned anything, but this is about her over all attitude. The OP has said she is becoming miserable and depressed. She needs help, but seems unwilling to take any steps to improve her life. I think now is the time to make those changes before her child grows up and she realizes that she missed all of the fun stuff because she didn’t want to get off the couch.

imhungry · January 8, 2010, 4:26pm

[quote]tootles27 wrote:

[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:

Yes, it was the slap in the face I needed, but it is not for everyone. [/quote]

That is right, it’s not for everyone. If someone tried to strongarm me like that, I would tell them to take a hike no matter what my feelings were for someone.

Maybe she is overwhelmed with parenting. I know for years I felt drained and never had any time for myself. People will poke holes in my story and that’s fine. I know that the choices I made were the best that I could do for my kid and if someone else wants to shit on me for not being perfect then go ahead. I wish that was all I had to worry about.
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Toots, you did what you had to do under the circumstances. You put your child first, which is what a single parent SHOULD do, and from where I stand, the two of you have done pretty well for yourselves. That’s to be applauded, not critisized.

Now, you’re at a point in your life, where she’s more independant and you can concentrate on focusing more attention to YOU, without feelings of guilt.

Ya done good.

tootles27 · January 8, 2010, 7:48pm