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[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Who knew marriage required so much deceit and fantasy role play. It doesn’t seem worth the effort to play so many fucking games with people.

“Give her complements”. yeah…if she DESERVES THEM. Women seem to have no problem calling a man lazy or good-for-nothing if he sits at home without a job but if she gains 30lbs from basic neglect and from her love of Crisco suddenly we have to pretend she has great hair, a great personality and on top of all that needs to be complimented day in and day out just so she feels good about herself.

Why the hell do women have such low self esteem?[/quote]

Have you been reading some of the posts in here lately? Nearly every one is some guy complaining how he can’t find a woman that fits his laundry list of requirements. It’s apparently red flags everywhere!

Right now the hot dating advice is to be a dick, string her along, lie if you have to and then dump her for being a slut the moment she touches your winky. I look back on the shit guys put me through in my early twenties and its no wonder I was a fucking mess until I hit 30.

That being said, women should have more going for them then finding a guy. However, where are all of the strong female role models? If a woman actually makes something of herself she is viewed as aggressive, mannish and therefore undesirable (in general).

The WNBA is struggling while the Lingerie Bowl has segued into an entire league. The Williams sisters dominate tennis yet do a google image search for women’s tennis and good luck trying to find a picture of them.

There are “celebrities” famous simply for having big tits or a fat ass (and a sex tape). Miley Cyrus pole dancing is brought to you by Disney and every show on TV is about some bitch taking her clothes off to attract a man and maybe make a few bucks.

Meanwhile women are fleeing the workplace in droves to stay-at-home and it seems the measure of a successful life is how big your husband’s paycheck is.

Before I step down off my soap box let me just say that I have a 5 year old daughter so I think about this stuff a lot and do what I can to counteract it, but I am terrified for her future. I have made myself into a strong female role model that she can look up to because it is abundantly clear that there are none around.

I know the general consensus in these forums is that masculinity is being bred out of today’s males, but I contend that while this is happening women are continually making themselves weaker to counter balance it. The end result is a bunch of people standing around waiting for someone else to take control and lead.

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Smiling, good points. Bear in mind that the popularity of people like Miley Cyrus and shows like Desperate Housewives most likely does not come from mature, adult men. If you agree with the general T-Nation attitude that men are being emasculated in society today, then what is the cause for women relying on a husband’s pay check, or women always seeking praise/acceptance regardless of their actions? It cannot be the male attitude.

Ever ask a girl why she wears makeup and insists on dressing so nicely all the time? No one cares about impressing men, they care about impressing other women. At least, that what they told me. All I am saying is that, in general, men are not to blame. If anything, blame shows like Army Wives and Jersey Housewives … shows that fabricate drama and show how great life can be when you survive on your husband’s salary. It is no surprise that women are losing a desire to work (according to you, I have no proof of this). If Hollywood began to accept that men could sit at home, drink beer, and watch BluRay then I can assure you, men would start doing it.

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[quote]Producer wrote:

[quote]HynesKetchup wrote:

[quote]Producer wrote:

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Anti-depressants cause weight gain. This guy is screwed.
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I didn’t suggest anti-depressants (that’s what a psychiatrist is for), all though that may be an option after some other efforts are made.

I don’t believe weight gain is the norm for anti-depressant users.
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Anti- Depressants? You are retarded for even considering that as an option. Have you read nothing on this site? That girl needs to be supplementing with 2000+ IUs of Vitamin D per day, then tell me if she is still F’ing Depressed. Anti-Depressants are the frigging worst thing Big Pharma has come up with. Vitamin D improves your mood, The majority of people are vitamin D deficient, especially children and youths, hence why there are more and more people suffering from depression.

Now I realize that Vitamin D doesn’t cure bad thought patterns or make choices for people, but it’s a good start, and far better then some pill that was made to make you sicker.
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You’re pretty ignorant. I said anti-depressants are an option after other efforts are made. That would include the miracle Vitamin D supplementation.

I hope that she or no one needs to go on anti-depressants, but they can help some people. Don’t have such an extreme view if you know very little about the subject.

You aren’t a doctor, so stfu.
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How can I be the one who is ignorant when I’m suggesting you supplement with something that comes from the freaking SUN. Vitamin D supplementation isn’t some Natural Health Gimmick, Olympic athletes have been benefiting from the athletic boosts for years, in addition to the mood improving benefits of it. Why do you think people feel better in the summer? Because you can get more sun on more exposed skin perhaps?

Why don’t you go read the article “D is for Doping” for starters and learn something.

I don’t have an extreme view, I just have done a lot of reading on the subject, not to mention my dad is a Natural Health consultant, and he is the one who told me about Vitamin D and how I should be supplementing over a year ago.

And since when do Doctor’s know what’s best for us? Have you not seen the threads where said member is told by his or her doctor that a “High Protein Diet” is bad for you, or that low fat food is good, or that “Exercise doesn’t make you lose weight” in a recent TIME article? The majority of doctor’s want to keep you sick and unhealthy, because a sick and fearful populace is easy to control. And behind this whole mentality is Big Pharma. But I guess you can keep sucking on the propaganda sack of the drug companies if that suits your fancy.

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[quote]HynesKetchup wrote:
“Exercise doesn’t make you lose weight” in a recent TIME article? The majority of doctor’s want to keep you sick and unhealthy, because a sick and fearful populace is easy to control.
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Don’t use the Time article as an example of your point here. The author knew exactly what he was talking about; that diet control is much more important than spending 20 minutes on an elliptical when it comes to weight loss. The retards in pop media are the ones who can’t read and spun it out of control.

On the second part there, don’t attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity.

SmilingPolitely, the reason you continuously see posts like that by guys here is that most decent guys (no offense HM) don’t post a lot in that area, sort of how good deeds don’t get reported on the news. They’re out there, just not often on the internet bragging about it.

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[quote]buffalokilla wrote:

[quote]HynesKetchup wrote:
“Exercise doesn’t make you lose weight” in a recent TIME article? The majority of doctor’s want to keep you sick and unhealthy, because a sick and fearful populace is easy to control.
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Don’t use the Time article as an example of your point here. The author knew exactly what he was talking about; that diet control is much more important than spending 20 minutes on an elliptical when it comes to weight loss. The retards in pop media are the ones who can’t read and spun it out of control.

On the second part there, don’t attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity.

SmilingPolitely, the reason you continuously see posts like that by guys here is that most decent guys (no offense HM) don’t post a lot in that area, sort of how good deeds don’t get reported on the news. They’re out there, just not often on the internet bragging about it.[/quote]

If he was trying to get that point across then he wasn’t very successful. If he was talking about diet control and how it applies to exercise then why would he not be giving sample meal plans designed to support weight loss? Instead he states such fallacies as “Turning fat into muscle.” Laughable

Well it’s a combination of both Malice and stupidity. The lobbyists for the pharmaceutical companies want to make a good profit, even if their products are bad for people, and the Doctor’s don’t do enough research about the products they are recommending. I mean why should a “Cure” you are recommending someone have 20 negative side effects?

But let’s not get this derail this potential troll’s thread. Back on topic for me.

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[quote]HynesKetchup wrote:
If he was trying to get that point across then he wasn’t very successful. If he was talking about diet control and how it applies to exercise then why would he not be giving sample meal plans designed to support weight loss? Instead he states such fallacies as “Turning fat into muscle.” Laughable
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TIME is the pop media here; the actual work behind it was decent if not of the “no shit” variety. I do agree, though, that he’s not the best writer for laymen.

You’d mentioned doctors before; that’s whom I was applying the malice for stupidity thing to. Pharmaceutical companies are evil by and large, I agree, at the administrative level anyway.

The OP should try hitting her.

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[quote]HynesKetchup wrote:

[quote]buffalokilla wrote:

[quote]HynesKetchup wrote:
“Exercise doesn’t make you lose weight” in a recent TIME article? The majority of doctor’s want to keep you sick and unhealthy, because a sick and fearful populace is easy to control.
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Don’t use the Time article as an example of your point here. The author knew exactly what he was talking about; that diet control is much more important than spending 20 minutes on an elliptical when it comes to weight loss. The retards in pop media are the ones who can’t read and spun it out of control.

On the second part there, don’t attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity.

SmilingPolitely, the reason you continuously see posts like that by guys here is that most decent guys (no offense HM) don’t post a lot in that area, sort of how good deeds don’t get reported on the news. They’re out there, just not often on the internet bragging about it.[/quote]

If he was trying to get that point across then he wasn’t very successful. If he was talking about diet control and how it applies to exercise then why would he not be giving sample meal plans designed to support weight loss? Instead he states such fallacies as “Turning fat into muscle.” Laughable

Well it’s a combination of both Malice and stupidity. The lobbyists for the pharmaceutical companies want to make a good profit, even if their products are bad for people, and the Doctor’s don’t do enough research about the products they are recommending. I mean why should a “Cure” you are recommending someone have 20 negative side effects?

But let’s not get this derail this potential troll’s thread. Back on topic for me.
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What is with blaming doctors because YOU got sick?

The cure? The best cure is PREVENTION…something the average American is taking NO part of until something falls apart or they start to feel pain. Most people, and that includes many of the ones who claim doctors don’t want to cure people, do NOT seek medical care in order to AVOID getting sick. They don’t go until they already are sick. You don’t CURE diabetes. You don’t CURE high blood pressure. You PREVENT these by not putting yourself at risk to start with.

You are also blaming doctors for not doing enough research, when the truth is, some of the negative effects of these drugs from long term use are not even studied until they have been on the market for some time…so what research did they miss if none was done that showed any negative effects? Fen Phen didn’t kill people because doctors didn’t do enough research. There are risks with any medication…ANY, including aspirin.

When people like you cry about doctors not wanting to cure people, it makes me wonder what world you live on where the average person tries to live a healthy life and seek medical care before they get sick.

It doesn’t happen for 90% of the population so why pretend like it does?

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[quote]buffalokilla wrote:

[quote]HynesKetchup wrote:
If he was trying to get that point across then he wasn’t very successful. If he was talking about diet control and how it applies to exercise then why would he not be giving sample meal plans designed to support weight loss? Instead he states such fallacies as “Turning fat into muscle.” Laughable
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TIME is the pop media here; the actual work behind it was decent if not of the “no shit” variety. I do agree, though, that he’s not the best writer for laymen.

You’d mentioned doctors before; that’s whom I was applying the malice for stupidity thing to. Pharmaceutical companies are evil by and large, I agree, at the administrative level anyway.

The OP should try hitting her.
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If most people were as evil as pharma companies we would live in a better world.

Oooohhhh, they develop drugs against diseases for, gasp, money!

The audacity to turn diseases that were death sentences mere decades into nothing but a mild inconvience!

Bastards.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]HynesKetchup wrote:

[quote]buffalokilla wrote:

[quote]HynesKetchup wrote:
“Exercise doesn’t make you lose weight” in a recent TIME article? The majority of doctor’s want to keep you sick and unhealthy, because a sick and fearful populace is easy to control.
[/quote]

Don’t use the Time article as an example of your point here. The author knew exactly what he was talking about; that diet control is much more important than spending 20 minutes on an elliptical when it comes to weight loss. The retards in pop media are the ones who can’t read and spun it out of control.

On the second part there, don’t attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity.

SmilingPolitely, the reason you continuously see posts like that by guys here is that most decent guys (no offense HM) don’t post a lot in that area, sort of how good deeds don’t get reported on the news. They’re out there, just not often on the internet bragging about it.[/quote]

If he was trying to get that point across then he wasn’t very successful. If he was talking about diet control and how it applies to exercise then why would he not be giving sample meal plans designed to support weight loss? Instead he states such fallacies as “Turning fat into muscle.” Laughable

Well it’s a combination of both Malice and stupidity. The lobbyists for the pharmaceutical companies want to make a good profit, even if their products are bad for people, and the Doctor’s don’t do enough research about the products they are recommending. I mean why should a “Cure” you are recommending someone have 20 negative side effects?

But let’s not get this derail this potential troll’s thread. Back on topic for me.
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What is with blaming doctors because YOU got sick?

The cure? The best cure is PREVENTION…something the average American is taking NO part of until something falls apart or they start to feel pain. Most people, and that includes many of the ones who claim doctors don’t want to cure people, do NOT seek medical care in order to AVOID getting sick. They don’t go until they already are sick. You don’t CURE diabetes. You don’t CURE high blood pressure. You PREVENT these by not putting yourself at risk to start with.

You are also blaming doctors for not doing enough research, when the truth is, some of the negative effects of these drugs from long term use are not even studied until they have been on the market for some time…so what research did they miss if none was done that showed any negative effects? Fen Phen didn’t kill people because doctors didn’t do enough research. There are risks with any medication…ANY, including aspirin.

When people like you cry about doctors not wanting to cure people, it makes me wonder what world you live on where the average person tries to live a healthy life and seek medical care before they get sick.

It doesn’t happen for 90% of the population so why pretend like it does?

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Well, if someone neglects his health for decades it is obviously your fault if you extort money out of him just for treating him.

You are a predatory dentist.

Like predatory mortgage lenders, only with sharp instruments.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]buffalokilla wrote:

[quote]HynesKetchup wrote:
If he was trying to get that point across then he wasn’t very successful. If he was talking about diet control and how it applies to exercise then why would he not be giving sample meal plans designed to support weight loss? Instead he states such fallacies as “Turning fat into muscle.” Laughable
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TIME is the pop media here; the actual work behind it was decent if not of the “no shit” variety. I do agree, though, that he’s not the best writer for laymen.

You’d mentioned doctors before; that’s whom I was applying the malice for stupidity thing to. Pharmaceutical companies are evil by and large, I agree, at the administrative level anyway.

The OP should try hitting her.
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If most people were as evil as pharma companies we would live in a better world.

Oooohhhh, they develop drugs against diseases for, gasp, money!

The audacity to turn diseases that were death sentences mere decades into nothing but a mild inconvience!

Bastards.

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You know, sometimes when I agree with you I freak out a little bit at first… lol

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[quote]Producer wrote:
You’re pretty ignorant. I said anti-depressants are an option after other efforts are made. That would include the miracle Vitamin D supplementation.

I hope that she or no one needs to go on anti-depressants, but they can help some people. Don’t have such an extreme view if you know very little about the subject.

You aren’t a doctor, so stfu.[/quote]

The vast majority of doctors are idiots who should not have the respect of anyone in such a progressive fitness and health community as ours.

So you stfu. Yes, I realize that you weren’t responding to me. I don’t like your line of reasoning, I don’t like doctors, and I don’t like people on bodybuilding sites who cite doctors as authorities on health. They should know better.

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[quote]orion wrote:

Well, if someone neglects his health for decades it is obviously your fault if you extort money out of him just for treating him.

You are a predatory dentist.

Like predatory mortgage lenders, only with sharp instruments.

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I had a patient who got pissed because their own tooth had decayed and the crown (now about 15 years old) needed to be replaced…because it was clearly my fault…because I now had to fix the damage that she allowed. The fact that she had not seen a dentist for 8 years was apparently a non-issue.

It is like people are unable to see their own responsibility for their own lives. They want someone to blame for every misfortune in their lives…someone other than themselves of course.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

“Give her complements”. yeah…if she DESERVES THEM. Women seem to have no problem calling a man lazy or good-for-nothing if he sits at home without a job but if she gains 30lbs from basic neglect and from her love of Crisco suddenly we have to pretend she has great hair, a great personality and on top of all that needs to be complimented day in and day out just so she feels good about herself.
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When my girlfriend asks me “Would you still love me if I got as big as her?(points a fat girl out).” I always say “No, I’d be out” and she responds that I’m mean and I should love her unconditionally. My response is “Would you still love me if I quit my job and sat home and watched TV all day?”. Too me it’s the same thing. Both scenario’s are by product’s of laziness and poor character.

On a positive note, I introduced her to the gym, exercise and dieting and she took to it like a fish to water. But I didn’t just tell her to go workout. I went to shitty ass planet fitness with her every time for the 1st month even though I use a real gym at work during my lunch break. Once she started seeing results and the simple cause and effect of diet/exercise and looking good, she was hooked.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]buffalokilla wrote:

[quote]HynesKetchup wrote:
If he was trying to get that point across then he wasn’t very successful. If he was talking about diet control and how it applies to exercise then why would he not be giving sample meal plans designed to support weight loss? Instead he states such fallacies as “Turning fat into muscle.” Laughable
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TIME is the pop media here; the actual work behind it was decent if not of the “no shit” variety. I do agree, though, that he’s not the best writer for laymen.

You’d mentioned doctors before; that’s whom I was applying the malice for stupidity thing to. Pharmaceutical companies are evil by and large, I agree, at the administrative level anyway.

The OP should try hitting her.
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If most people were as evil as pharma companies we would live in a better world.

Oooohhhh, they develop drugs against diseases for, gasp, money!

The audacity to turn diseases that were death sentences mere decades into nothing but a mild inconvience!

Bastards.

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You know, sometimes when I agree with you I freak out a little bit at first… lol[/quote]

Growing pains.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]buffalokilla wrote:

[quote]HynesKetchup wrote:
If he was trying to get that point across then he wasn’t very successful. If he was talking about diet control and how it applies to exercise then why would he not be giving sample meal plans designed to support weight loss? Instead he states such fallacies as “Turning fat into muscle.” Laughable
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TIME is the pop media here; the actual work behind it was decent if not of the “no shit” variety. I do agree, though, that he’s not the best writer for laymen.

You’d mentioned doctors before; that’s whom I was applying the malice for stupidity thing to. Pharmaceutical companies are evil by and large, I agree, at the administrative level anyway.

The OP should try hitting her.
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If most people were as evil as pharma companies we would live in a better world.

Oooohhhh, they develop drugs against diseases for, gasp, money!

The audacity to turn diseases that were death sentences mere decades into nothing but a mild inconvience!

Bastards.

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While I don’t subscribe to the theory that big pharma is inherently evil, it is a bit naive to think that profit margins and organic growth are not significant drivers of where capital is allocated, moreso than idea of saving the human race from disease. Granted, they often intersect but big pharma devotes a LOT of money to finding new ways to extend patents to avoid a drug going generic, which has no inherent benefit to humanity.

DB

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[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:

The WNBA is struggling while the Lingerie Bowl has segued into an entire league.
There are “celebrities” famous simply for having big tits or a fat ass (and a sex tape). Miley Cyrus pole dancing is brought to you by Disney and every show on TV is about some bitch taking her clothes off to attract a man and maybe make a few bucks.

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Now I know what inspired your avatar and the rest of your profile pics.

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

When my girlfriend asks me “Would you still love me if I got as big as her?(points a fat girl out).” I always say “No, I’d be out” and she responds that I’m mean and I should love her unconditionally. My response is “Would you still love me if I quit my job and sat home and watched TV all day?”.
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I now have a better response than I did before, thank you sir.

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Essentially I think you have a woman who’s given up and you want to make her an active, responsible human being again.

First of all she has to stop being screwed up in the head. Sane, responsible, and overweight is much better than screwed up and overweight. And there’s no way to lose weight until you can put your self-loathing aside long enough to plan and complete a task.

I don’t have firsthand experience with either medication or therapy, but I have known people who have benefited. I do believe that before you try that, there are simple DIY things that fight depression. And I have seen that firsthand.

  1. Plan and complete small tasks. It really does wonders for sanity. I don’t know how much household work she does, or how good she is at her workplace job, but if it’s feasible get her doing more things. Just cleaning house helps. Gardening, for many. Knitting. Volunteering.

  2. Leave the house. She should be walking every day. For the sunlight, for the exercise, and just to stop seeing the same crazy-making four walls.

  3. Read substantive books. I got over a bad patch once with John Stuart Mill. Mental exercise takes your mind off yourself.

What she has to figure out – and this is very individual – is that she is still capable of making her life better. It’s not already all over. She is still free to choose. And what she chooses still matters.

I know someone whose mom is a surgical nurse who gives people bariatric surgery. They are five feet in diameter. These folks have just said “fuck it” to life. The results of completely saying “fuck it” are terrifying. They do involve the risk of death. Maybe you could tell her that.

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[quote]GorillaBiscuits wrote:
My sons mother, whom I have been with for about 5 yrs now is really letting herself go… her mother and sister for a better word are very fat, unhappy, unmotivated, and for the most part miserable human beings. Now don’t get me wrong, I love this woman, but she is traveling down a road to the same place as her family…She has let herself go, and now she is really on a oneway train with little hope for redirection.

I have exhausted all options to try to motivate her, and am always greeting with a fresh excuse of why she can’t work out, eat right, etc… I can’t. Even bring it up in a conversation without her getting all butt hurt. She is miserable over the way she looks, and is always in a shit mood as well. How should I approach it? I’m out of ideas…now don’t get me wrong people, I’m not talking about a couple of vanity pounds, I’m talking about a solid 100lbs.[/quote]

I’m not sure if this was mentioned yet, as I stopped reading responses after page 3… so I apologize if I’m repeating someone else’s point.

How long ago was your son born? Could her “shit mood” and overall negative attitude be a result of post-partum depression? If that is a possibility, then getting professional help to deal with her state of mind could do wonders.

Also, just getting in some light, casual activity could help her mood greatly, which could improve motivation for more positive changes. Try inviting her on a walk, or if she enjoys dancing sign up for a class with her, schedule in some weekly “family fun” time, etc…

IF you truly care for her, then offering constructive suggestions may help the situation.

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[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
When I met my bf I started gaining a few pounds. He tried to get me in the gym a few times but I felt uncomfortable and didn’t want to go. One day we were out shopping and passed a Victoria’s Secrets. I was eying a pair of panties and he suggested we buy them. I said I wanted to wait until I got in better shape. He asked me how the “not exercising, eating crap and drinking a six pack a night diet was working out for me”.

Needless to say, I got upset. An argument ensued and within 2 months I was in the gym and haven’t left. He is an extremely blunt person and does not pull punches which at times can be very difficult to deal with, but without it I probably would have just used less healthy ways to lose the weight.[/quote]
That only works on people who have a measure of self worth/self confidence to begin with. Judging from what we’ve heard so far, I don’t think the OP’s girlfriend applies. Congrats on fitting into this category yourself, however.

No it’s not.

Let’s let this thread die already. It’s pretty obvious that the OP isn’t going to take any real measures to address his problem. He is just going to put up with the bitch until the inevitable divorce, during which she’ll take him to the cleaners. Same old story, repeated ad infinitum. Nothing to see here.

[quote]Vegita wrote:
Manipulate that bitch OP, she will thank you for it when she is trim, healthy, sexy, in a good mood all the time. Then once you “save” her. It’s sammich making time all the time. “yea, remember when you were fat and now your not? make me a sammich” “Yea, remember when you were fat and now your not and we have awsome sex all the time now? I’m going drinking with the boys” [/quote]
How fascinating. I see that you just stepped off a spaceship from a different planet.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Who knew marriage required so much deceit and fantasy role play. It doesn’t seem worth the effort to play so many fucking games with people.

“Give her complements”. yeah…if she DESERVES THEM. Women seem to have no problem calling a man lazy or good-for-nothing if he sits at home without a job but if she gains 30lbs from basic neglect and from her love of Crisco suddenly we have to pretend she has great hair, a great personality and on top of all that needs to be complimented day in and day out just so she feels good about herself.

Why the hell do women have such low self esteem?[/quote]
This guy doesn’t like me but he’s right.

[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
That being said, women should have more going for them then finding a guy. However, where are all of the strong female role models? If a woman actually makes something of herself she is viewed as aggressive, mannish and therefore undesirable (in general).

The WNBA is struggling while the Lingerie Bowl has segued into an entire league. The Williams sisters dominate tennis yet do a google image search for women’s tennis and good luck trying to find a picture of them.

There are “celebrities” famous simply for having big tits or a fat ass (and a sex tape). Miley Cyrus pole dancing is brought to you by Disney and every show on TV is about some bitch taking her clothes off to attract a man and maybe make a few bucks.

Meanwhile women are fleeing the workplace in droves to stay-at-home and it seems the measure of a successful life is how big your husband’s paycheck is.

Before I step down off my soap box let me just say that I have a 5 year old daughter so I think about this stuff a lot and do what I can to counteract it, but I am terrified for her future. I have made myself into a strong female role model that she can look up to because it is abundantly clear that there are none around.

I know the general consensus in these forums is that masculinity is being bred out of today’s males, but I contend that while this is happening women are continually making themselves weaker to counter balance it. The end result is a bunch of people standing around waiting for someone else to take control and lead.[/quote]
All women could “cure” their condition…through supplementation with the hormone testosterone. Short of that, there is absolutely no way in hell that women will ever match up to men in any professional field. No matter how many PC, “female empowering” laws are put on the books, women will always fulfill the same two roles in society: mother and whore. That’s the dichotomy you’re stuck with, princess. Every male you’ve ever known and ever will know views you according to that paradigm.

Your daughter is going to grow up. Maybe she won’t be a slut, maybe she will. In this day and age, odds are pretty high that it will be the latter. At any rate, she is going to have her fun and then, eventually, she will get seeded and reproduce, thus fulfilling the role that was laid out before her the second she was born. You really have nothing to worry about. Unless of course you aspire to a higher level of human existence than “eat, sleep, fuck, suck, lie on your back, nurse babies, arouse men with your appearance”. In which case you truly are screwed. Better start taking those test shots, pronto.

In olden times, females were the property of males.
In modern times, females are the property of the State, which employs males to use violence (or the threat of it) almost exclusively against other males in order to keep them in line.

In our society, women can do practically anything they want and get away with it. There is a “female sentencing discount” at work in the court system which ensures that even women who commit violent crimes aren’t punished for them to nearly the same degree as male offenders.

Women are completely free and often encouraged to use their natural weapons of manipulation against men, whereas men are legally and morally prohibited from using their own weapons against women (mainly fists).

[quote]buffalokilla wrote:
Don’t use the Time article as an example of your point here. The author knew exactly what he was talking about; that diet control is much more important than spending 20 minutes on an elliptical when it comes to weight loss. The retards in pop media are the ones who can’t read and spun it out of control.

On the second part there, don’t attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity.[/quote]

Agreed wrt to the Time piece. The basic premise of the article was correct and the biggest indicator of that was watching all the mainstream pro-aerobics assholes get upset over the article.

As for your second point, you’ll find that there is a point at which stupidity turns into malice. That is the meanining of the phrase, “criminal stupidity”.

[quote]orion wrote:
If most people were as evil as pharma companies we would live in a better world.

Oooohhhh, they develop drugs against diseases for, gasp, money!

The audacity to turn diseases that were death sentences mere decades into nothing but a mild inconvience!

Bastards.[/quote]

They work hand-in-glove with the government and epitomize fascist/corporatist economics. I don’t think that Ayn Rand would be pleased.

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[quote]buffalokilla wrote:
The OP should try hitting her.
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The only advice on this thread that is even remotely likely to produce results.

And the OP will definitely never do it, which so eloquently explains why he is screwed.