1.Which oral steroid do you think is better mg for miligram-Anapolon or Dianabol(i mean which gives more results such as gaining muscle and gaining strenght if we compare 50mg of A-drol vs 50mg of d-bol)
2.What’s you thoughts on EQ.Ive read that its not very strong and its not a realy good choice if you’re tryin to gain muscle or even to maintain muscle while dieting
3.In your opinion what’s the best way to rotate carb intake in order to get ripped.Should I do 3 low carb days and one high carb day or go 6 days with minimal carb intake and then load up with carbs on the 7th day .Whats you opinion on that subject
[quote]tortellini3 wrote:
Hi Shadow! Me again. So I talked to you about my desire to begin a cycle very soon on the other thread.
I switched the Trenbolone enanthate for the acetate form. I’m a little prone to gynecomastia.
I have :
30mL Test enanthate (250mg)
30mL Tren acetate (100mg)
100x Dianabol (10mg)
100x Clomid (25mg)
58x Nolvadex (20mg), I have some pharma grade (30) plus 28 pills remaining from my previous cycle.
Some HCG
I also have some Letrozole + Proviron on hand.
I plan to run Test for 12 weeks at 500mg.
As for the Tren, should I shoot 50mg daily for like 8 weeks or 75mg for 6 weeks? And is it necessary to shoot it every day or doing it EOD will be fine?
And for the DBol, should I take 30mg for 33 days or 40mg for 25 days? Or maybe should I buy more?
I also want to know (maybe you’ve already answered that previously. If it’s the case, I apologize): what dosage should I take from Nolvadex during the cycle to prevent gyno? I read somewhere that it is a bad idea to combine nolvadex and trenbolone.
Thanks man.[/quote]
Run the tren @50mg daily for 8 weeks. Everyday shots is your best option, every other day works too but it’s not as effective.
Take the dbol @ 30mg for the first 2 weeks, 40mg for the next 2 weeks and 50mg for the last 2 weeks.
Take nolvadex 10-20mg/day throughout the whole cycle, no problem taking it with tren.
Also, use 250iu of HCG 2x/week throughout the cycle.
[quote]alvertos wrote:
shadow your opinion about shawn ray?it was one of the all time best bodybuilders but his character is realy arrogant i must saycan you talk about who was best and worst from the top names in the 90s?iam talkin about the top guys like yates,levrone,cormier,dillet,cormier,nasser,flex?do you believe that it was more interesting back then?[/quote]
He’s one of the biggest assholes I ever met. He’s arrogant and has a big mouth with nothing to back it up. One day someone’s going to knock this guy out.
For the record I don’t think he was that great of a bodybuilder, he never came conditioned enough compared to today’s guys.
As for my top guys, flex wheeler should have won at least 1 Olympia, Nasser was underrated and I had a lot of respect for Dorian Yates but I think he’s doing way too many drugs as has become a little obsessed with conspiracy theories.
I think today’s bodybuilding is much better than the old days, the guys are much bigger and more conditioned. With the exception of Ronnie Coleman, he’s the greatest ever. Stick Shawn Ray next to any of today’s top guys and he’s not making top 15. The 90’s bodybuilders were good but the guys today are getting better and better.
[quote]Tweeder wrote:
What is it about MAG-10 that makes you utilize protein from meals afterward more efficiently? I would think that Plazma does the same thing and does it just fine. However, you suggest sometimes using Plazma intra and MAG-10 post before a meal…
I can understand how MAG-10 in the AM upon waking makes you possibly utilize your next real food meal, but I don’t understand the need to pulse it post workout when the di and tri peptides from Plazma are already making your body “more sensitive to protein”. I’m not trying to be a dick or stump you…I am really wondering what is specifically unique about the MAG-10 formula that doesn’t seem to be the same with Plazma.
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Yes, you are right in the sense that Plazma has a similar effect but I recommend it post workout because if someone is using only 1 serving they are getting just 15g of protein during their workout and the body is utilizing the protein you drink intraworkout so the MAG-10 30min post workout helps to increase your protein amount and is used in place of the typical whey protein post workout shake. Also, it stops any chance of catabolism completely and allows the body to absorb the protein from the following meal more efficiently, the solid meal can be anywhere from 30-90min after the MAG-10.
Obviously, if you are using something like 250g of carbs from Plazma then it’s not as important post workout because you are getting a lot of protein intraworkout. If you are using 1-3 servings it’s 15-45g protein which isn’t sufficient to recover completely so I always suggest the MAG-10 post workout for the extra protein and the benefits of recovery.
[quote]rhod wrote:
Shadow, why do you recommend GH 60-90 mins pre-workout? Most recommendations I see are directly post-workout, just wondering about the logic behind it.[/quote]
When you’re training, you’re body is in the best situation to absorb both nutrients and hormones. Ideally, you want high amount of igf1 in your blood while training. By doing GH 60-90min pre workout and insulin pre workout then you’re basically forcing your body to create igf-1. Now once you start training and all of the hormones and receptors(including glut-2 and glut-4) are activated in your body and you’re adding intraworkout nutrition to this mix you’ll have a maximal circumstances for growth and recovery. You want everything to be optimal while training so you need those hormones and nutrients in the body.
[quote]allencress wrote:
For running GH off season do you think its better to run smaller dose of say 3-4iu everyday for the whole off season or do higher dose of 6-8iu for 3 months and take a break or go down to 1-2iu per day?[/quote]
Honestly, for muscle mass I don’t think less than 6iu is beneficial. 4iu will help you recover and aid in fat loss but not contribute to significant muscle gains. I never come off GH, especially in the off season when I’m trying to grow I’ll use as much as I can afford and while I’m dieting I’ll cruise at about 6-8iu.
If you have to make a choice I would go with 6-8iu for 3 months and then cruise at 2-3iu. But if budget allows it and your main goal is muscle mass then keep it at 6-8iu and bump it up to 10iu in the off season.
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]alvertos wrote:
shadow your opinion about shawn ray?it was one of the all time best bodybuilders but his character is realy arrogant i must saycan you talk about who was best and worst from the top names in the 90s?iam talkin about the top guys like yates,levrone,cormier,dillet,cormier,nasser,flex?do you believe that it was more interesting back then?[/quote]
He’s one of the biggest assholes I ever met. He’s arrogant and has a big mouth with nothing to back it up. One day someone’s going to knock this guy out.
For the record I don’t think he was that great of a bodybuilder, he never came conditioned enough compared to today’s guys.
As for my top guys, flex wheeler should have won at least 1 Olympia, Nasser was underrated and I had a lot of respect for Dorian Yates but I think he’s doing way too many drugs as has become a little obsessed with conspiracy theories.
I think today’s bodybuilding is much better than the old days, the guys are much bigger and more conditioned. With the exception of Ronnie Coleman, he’s the greatest ever. Stick Shawn Ray next to any of today’s top guys and he’s not making top 15. The 90’s bodybuilders were good but the guys today are getting better and better.[/quote]
thank you for your insight!RAY has pissed a lot of people,so either all of them are wrong or he is big asshole…as far as dorian and drugs i remember an interview where he talked about taking a powder form of a brazilian herb that makes him feel connected to the world, and things like that!
so maybe he is taking to much these days…
do you think dillet had the potential to become mr o?
also how was the coolest to hang out from the 90s and who was the one you will avoid at all costs?
sorry about asking so much about the past,i read some old mags that i found in my closet and makes me wonder.
Hey shadow…
M a 30 yr old cricket bowler, wid shinpain fr last 8 yrs n left leg acl, surgically treated couple of yrs ago…i m expectng or atleast trying to heal my injuries wid a GH+EQ cycle…m going to run GH fr atleast 24 weeks n EQ fr 12 week period…m working out six days a week wid off only on sunday…heres my cycle n pct details…
Week wise:
1.GH 2iu/5 days on 2 days off(with offs on sunday n thursday)
2. 2iu
3. 21.5 iu
4. 21.5iu
5. 22iu
6. 22iu
7. 22iu + EQ 2200,test e 2100/week(on sunday evening n thurday morning)
8. 22iu + 2200,2100 + hcg 500iu,25mg aromasin(only on thursday)
9. 22.5iu + 2200,2100
10.22.5iu + 2200,2100 + hcg 500iu,25mg aromasin(only on thursday)
11.23iu + 2300,2100
12.23iu + 2300,2100 + hcg 500iu,25mg aromasin(only on thursday)
13.23iu + 2300,2100
14.23iu + 2300,2100 + hcg 500iu,25mg aromasin(only on thursday)
15.22.5iu + 2200,2100
16.22.5iu + 2200,2100 + hcg 500iu,25mg aromasin(only on thursday)
17.22iu + 2200,2100
18.22iu + 2200,2100 + hcg 500iu,25mg aromasin(only on thursday)
19.22iu
20.22iu + hcg 5000iu(on sunday) + 25 mg7 aromasin
21.22iu + 40 mg nolvadex
22.2*2iu + 40 mg nolvadex
23.2iu + 20 mg nolvadex
24.2iu + 20 mg nolvadex
U think m going d rite way, or cn i add up sumthng else, ny info…
[quote]Tweeder wrote:
What is it about MAG-10 that makes you utilize protein from meals afterward more efficiently? I would think that Plazma does the same thing and does it just fine. However, you suggest sometimes using Plazma intra and MAG-10 post before a meal…
I can understand how MAG-10 in the AM upon waking makes you possibly utilize your next real food meal, but I don’t understand the need to pulse it post workout when the di and tri peptides from Plazma are already making your body “more sensitive to protein”. I’m not trying to be a dick or stump you…I am really wondering what is specifically unique about the MAG-10 formula that doesn’t seem to be the same with Plazma.
[/quote]
Hi Tweeder,
I’m agree with Shadow Pro. MaAG-10 works perfect in such timing. Something would like to add is from what I learnt from CT and CS about it.
- It keeps balanced sugar levels thanks to cyclodextrins
- It prevents oxidize the protein, so in MAG-10 we have more useful aminos than other formulas or kinds of proteins.
- The di and tri have therapeutic effects plus stimulate muscle tissue growth.
- Di and tri are so quick digestible that you can create peak and valleys of aminos which turns on protein synthesis. That works very good without aas, but I wonder if such effect is the same using them as we have constant protein synthesis.
5.The anabolic window last up to 6 hours. It works very well even taking another pulse after the solid meal pwo.
Shadow Pro,
Is it worth use T4 with GH instead T3? Specially when a good combination is clen and T3 plus GH in the preparation, some users and research bet by T4 always when on GH.
Shadow, a question on training rather than pharma if thats ok.
When it comes to back training, i have good lats, and feel them really well, but am Looking for more thickness, as well as upperiddle back, rhomboid and lower traps, but i really dont feel deadlifts of any sort in my back (other than snatch grip at the end of a back workout) If i was to be following a training a program that starts with a heavy compound movement, week 1 8x8 2 7x6 and 3 10x4 (essentially Amit sapirs training article from a couple weeks back). whAt would you suggest as a good back compound for thickness? Because i would instinctively choose barbell row but i hear that advised against as a low rep exercise, and do prefer it as a high rep one.
Thanks again sir.
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]allencress wrote:
For running GH off season do you think its better to run smaller dose of say 3-4iu everyday for the whole off season or do higher dose of 6-8iu for 3 months and take a break or go down to 1-2iu per day?[/quote]
Honestly, for muscle mass I don’t think less than 6iu is beneficial. 4iu will help you recover and aid in fat loss but not contribute to significant muscle gains. I never come off GH, especially in the off season when I’m trying to grow I’ll use as much as I can afford and while I’m dieting I’ll cruise at about 6-8iu.
If you have to make a choice I would go with 6-8iu for 3 months and then cruise at 2-3iu. But if budget allows it and your main goal is muscle mass then keep it at 6-8iu and bump it up to 10iu in the off season.
[/quote]
Sorry bumping in here.
Shadow, do you always split the HGH dose in two shots a day in the off-season.?? My budget can handle 6iu in the off-season. So would 2iu morning, pre-wo and pre-bed be the best way doing it, or just 3iu pre-wo and pre-bed fx.??
I just finished my first cycle. It was test cyp @ 400mg a week for 10 weeks. I gained 15Lbs. Most is muscle but put some fat. I now want to try a cut cycle. I will keep it simple with just winstrol @ 30mg a day. How long should I wait befor starting the winstrol?
[quote]dankata9 wrote:
1.Which oral steroid do you think is better mg for miligram-Anapolon or Dianabol(i mean which gives more results such as gaining muscle and gaining strenght if we compare 50mg of A-drol vs 50mg of d-bol)
2.What’s you thoughts on EQ.Ive read that its not very strong and its not a realy good choice if you’re tryin to gain muscle or even to maintain muscle while dieting
3.In your opinion what’s the best way to rotate carb intake in order to get ripped.Should I do 3 low carb days and one high carb day or go 6 days with minimal carb intake and then load up with carbs on the 7th day .Whats you opinion on that subject
[/quote]
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They work on different pathways. Anadrol has worse side effects (headache, loss of appetite and a lot of water retention) but it’s considered better for strength purposes. Dbol isn’t as harsh for side effects, you’ll still get some water retention and appetite is usually increased, I think it’s better for mass gains. Powerlifters use the both in the same cycle because they help eachother for strength purposes. For a bodybuilder, it comes down to a personal preference, they’ll both work. I’ll always choose dbol over Anadrol because I don’t like the Anadrol sides because I need to eat in the off season.
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Eq is great, I love it. I don’t know where you heard this but in high dosages it’s a great drug to build new mass. It increases appetite, helps with vascularity and strength endurance. You’ll be able to do more reps with heavier weight. It’s one of favorites in the offseason when stacked with test and tren.
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It’s completely individual but I wouldn’t do 6 days of very low carbs because it’s too drastic and unless you’re doing a keto diet there’s no logic behind doing this.
3 low, 1 high sounds better I can’t give you an exact answer unless I knew more about your situation with regards to current goal and condition.
[quote]alvertos wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]alvertos wrote:
shadow your opinion about shawn ray?it was one of the all time best bodybuilders but his character is realy arrogant i must saycan you talk about who was best and worst from the top names in the 90s?iam talkin about the top guys like yates,levrone,cormier,dillet,cormier,nasser,flex?do you believe that it was more interesting back then?[/quote]
He’s one of the biggest assholes I ever met. He’s arrogant and has a big mouth with nothing to back it up. One day someone’s going to knock this guy out.
For the record I don’t think he was that great of a bodybuilder, he never came conditioned enough compared to today’s guys.
As for my top guys, flex wheeler should have won at least 1 Olympia, Nasser was underrated and I had a lot of respect for Dorian Yates but I think he’s doing way too many drugs as has become a little obsessed with conspiracy theories.
I think today’s bodybuilding is much better than the old days, the guys are much bigger and more conditioned. With the exception of Ronnie Coleman, he’s the greatest ever. Stick Shawn Ray next to any of today’s top guys and he’s not making top 15. The 90’s bodybuilders were good but the guys today are getting better and better.[/quote]
thank you for your insight!RAY has pissed a lot of people,so either all of them are wrong or he is big asshole…as far as dorian and drugs i remember an interview where he talked about taking a powder form of a brazilian herb that makes him feel connected to the world, and things like that!
so maybe he is taking to much these days…
do you think dillet had the potential to become mr o?
also how was the coolest to hang out from the 90s and who was the one you will avoid at all costs?
sorry about asking so much about the past,i read some old mags that i found in my closet and makes me wonder.
[/quote]
I don’t know about Dillet, he was very good but there were just better guys in his time and he wasn’t on the good side of politics. He was definitely a good potential so who knows.
Ronnie Coleman is a cool guy to hangout with. I would avoid Shawn Ray at all costs.
[quote]pravikhaira85 wrote:
Hey shadow…
M a 30 yr old cricket bowler, wid shinpain fr last 8 yrs n left leg acl, surgically treated couple of yrs ago…i m expectng or atleast trying to heal my injuries wid a GH+EQ cycle…m going to run GH fr atleast 24 weeks n EQ fr 12 week period…m working out six days a week wid off only on sunday…heres my cycle n pct details…
Week wise:
1.GH 2iu/5 days on 2 days off(with offs on sunday n thursday)
2. 2iu
3. 21.5 iu
4. 21.5iu
5. 22iu
6. 22iu
7. 22iu + EQ 2200,test e 2100/week(on sunday evening n thurday morning)
8. 22iu + 2200,2100 + hcg 500iu,25mg aromasin(only on thursday)
9. 22.5iu + 2200,2100
10.22.5iu + 2200,2100 + hcg 500iu,25mg aromasin(only on thursday)
11.23iu + 2300,2100
12.23iu + 2300,2100 + hcg 500iu,25mg aromasin(only on thursday)
13.23iu + 2300,2100
14.23iu + 2300,2100 + hcg 500iu,25mg aromasin(only on thursday)
15.22.5iu + 2200,2100
16.22.5iu + 2200,2100 + hcg 500iu,25mg aromasin(only on thursday)
17.22iu + 2200,2100
18.22iu + 2200,2100 + hcg 500iu,25mg aromasin(only on thursday)
19.22iu
20.22iu + hcg 5000iu(on sunday) + 25 mg7 aromasin
21.22iu + 40 mg nolvadex
22.2*2iu + 40 mg nolvadex
23.2iu + 20 mg nolvadex
24.2iu + 20 mg nolvadex
U think m going d rite way, or cn i add up sumthng else, ny info…[/quote]
First of all I wouldn’t use eq for rehab purposes, in your case I think deca is a better choice.
Split the HCG to 250iu 2x/week
You don’t need 5000iu in week 20, as long as you are doing the 250iu 2x/week prior to this you’ll be fine.
Everything else looks fine.
Thanks for posting.
[quote]michell wrote:
[quote]Tweeder wrote:
What is it about MAG-10 that makes you utilize protein from meals afterward more efficiently? I would think that Plazma does the same thing and does it just fine. However, you suggest sometimes using Plazma intra and MAG-10 post before a meal…
I can understand how MAG-10 in the AM upon waking makes you possibly utilize your next real food meal, but I don’t understand the need to pulse it post workout when the di and tri peptides from Plazma are already making your body “more sensitive to protein”. I’m not trying to be a dick or stump you…I am really wondering what is specifically unique about the MAG-10 formula that doesn’t seem to be the same with Plazma.
[/quote]
Hi Tweeder,
I’m agree with Shadow Pro. MaAG-10 works perfect in such timing. Something would like to add is from what I learnt from CT and CS about it.
- It keeps balanced sugar levels thanks to cyclodextrins
- It prevents oxidize the protein, so in MAG-10 we have more useful aminos than other formulas or kinds of proteins.
- The di and tri have therapeutic effects plus stimulate muscle tissue growth.
- Di and tri are so quick digestible that you can create peak and valleys of aminos which turns on protein synthesis. That works very good without aas, but I wonder if such effect is the same using them as we have constant protein synthesis.
5.The anabolic window last up to 6 hours. It works very well even taking another pulse after the solid meal pwo.[/quote]
Great post, thank you for adding this.
[quote]michell wrote:
Shadow Pro,
Is it worth use T4 with GH instead T3? Specially when a good combination is clen and T3 plus GH in the preparation, some users and research bet by T4 always when on GH.[/quote]
I don’t really see the point, some people like t4 because it’s less aggressive than t3. I know a lot of guys who use both, but personally I just use the t3. I have never used t4 and never experienced problems with t3.
T3, Clen and GH is the best combo for fat burning.
[quote]Pinkylifting wrote:
Shadow, a question on training rather than pharma if thats ok.
When it comes to back training, i have good lats, and feel them really well, but am Looking for more thickness, as well as upperiddle back, rhomboid and lower traps, but i really dont feel deadlifts of any sort in my back (other than snatch grip at the end of a back workout) If i was to be following a training a program that starts with a heavy compound movement, week 1 8x8 2 7x6 and 3 10x4 (essentially Amit sapirs training article from a couple weeks back). whAt would you suggest as a good back compound for thickness? Because i would instinctively choose barbell row but i hear that advised against as a low rep exercise, and do prefer it as a high rep one.
Thanks again sir.[/quote]
This sounds interesting and similar to my style of training, could you post the article? I’ve seen this guys videos, I think he is a former powerlifter… Strong as fuck.
If upper back is your main concern, maybe try rack deadlifts with a snatch grip. It will take most of the glutes and hams out of the movement and concentrate mostly on the upper back, try to squeeze your shoulder blades together at the end or squeeze and add a shrug to force the rhomboids and traps to work harder. Try holding the shrug for 2 seconds at the top of each rep for an extra contraction.
When I had lower back issues and couldn’t pull from the floor I used rack deadlifts instead of lifting from the floor and it increased my back thickness in general.
The other option you can use is t-bar rows and 1 arm dumbbell rows. I don’t see any issue with barbell rows in low rep ranges(5-6reps), i think it’s a great exercise… Do a power barbell row from the floor, not off the rack if it’s a main exercise.
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[quote]Rottmeyer wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]allencress wrote:
For running GH off season do you think its better to run smaller dose of say 3-4iu everyday for the whole off season or do higher dose of 6-8iu for 3 months and take a break or go down to 1-2iu per day?[/quote]
Honestly, for muscle mass I don’t think less than 6iu is beneficial. 4iu will help you recover and aid in fat loss but not contribute to significant muscle gains. I never come off GH, especially in the off season when I’m trying to grow I’ll use as much as I can afford and while I’m dieting I’ll cruise at about 6-8iu.
If you have to make a choice I would go with 6-8iu for 3 months and then cruise at 2-3iu. But if budget allows it and your main goal is muscle mass then keep it at 6-8iu and bump it up to 10iu in the off season.
[/quote]
Sorry bumping in here.
Shadow, do you always split the HGH dose in two shots a day in the off-season.?? My budget can handle 6iu in the off-season. So would 2iu morning, pre-wo and pre-bed be the best way doing it, or just 3iu pre-wo and pre-bed fx.??[/quote]
If you can only afford 6iu then keep it to 2 shots (pre workout & before bed) only split it up into 3 shots if you are doing over 9iu so it’s 3iu everytime and then you can do pre, post and before bed.
If you are dieting do the shots first thing in the morning and pre workout. Keep it away from your meals as much as possible.