Shadow,
Will you be releasing your book under a pen name or actual?
[quote]Yogi wrote:
^ fucking brilliant physique there![/quote]
i second this, very motivating, looking great!
seeing this stuff combined with what i’m learning in this thread really gets me excite to compete in fall 15 or spring 16, i can’t effing wait
Hi Shadow, I’m about 3/4 of the way through your first thread and I haven’t seen anything about either of these topics addressed so far, but if they have been, I apologize in advance. Also, this is awesome of you and I’m learning a ton!
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I see that you recommend masteron a lot. I love what it does for me physique-wise, but it absolutely kills my joints. I’ve even experimented with doses as low as 50mg/wk of mast E and still have a noticeable tendonitis type feeling in my elbows and knees from it. Anything higher than that affects my training to the point that the juice just isn’t worth the squeeze (no pun intended). I suspect that this it due to its anti-estrogen properties, because even the smallest amount of any aromatase inhibitor I’ve ever tried (letro, aromasin & adex) has given me the same side effect. Do you know of any way to combat this? I’ve had several bottles of it laying around for like a year now that I just flat out can’t use.
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I read that you like to do your cardio post workout, as do I. Actually it’s not that I prefer it, it’s just due to time restraints. I can’t go to the gym twice a day, raise a kid, and run a business. Do you have any opinion on whether doing cardio post workout could negatively affect muscle gains by prematurely killing your pump? Today for instance, I did chest, bi’s and tri’s. After I was finished lifting I felt pumped as hell, then I went and did 4 HIIT stationary bike sprints called Winfalls (not sure if you’re familiar with this), followed by 5 minutes of steep incline walking on the treadmill while my heart rate was still nice and high from the last bike sprint. By the time this was over my quads and calves were totally pumped and my chest/arm pump was gone. It seems like if we spend a bunch of money on intra-workout nutrition to shuttle nutrients into our muscles, only to turn around and send all of the blood and nutrients to the wrong muscles, we’re working against ourselves. Do you have any thoughts on this?
Thanks again for taking the time to answer our questions!
[quote]cronbeast90 wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]cronbeast90 wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]cronbeast90 wrote:
What’s up shadow,
I asked you in the first thread about running an aggressive pct or hopping on a moderate cycle due to a low test level from previous dumb oral only.
I decided I’m going to hop on because i just came across a source who gets human/pharma grade gear.
He hooked me up with 25 amps of organon sust, arimidex, and hcg.
We discussed before about starting as moderate as possible because I’ve been living with low t for a couple years now.
Was wondering what you would advise for a 10 week cycle with this on hand. My diet, training, and supplementation are all on point. I train my ass off and have managed to make gains even with test levels in the mid 300’s.
I was think of doing 375mg a week split into three shots to start. .5mg adex eod and 250iu hcg bi weekly
Do you think this dose is too low?
Thanks as always for your input, here is a recent pic again to show you where I’m at
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This is perfect, it’s not too low. I think you will get great gains from this… Remember there’s always time to do higher doses so keep it low to begin with and you’ll be better off.
Thank you for attaching the photo. Keep me posted.
By the way, you’ve done great progress up until now and I think this cycle will give you a good boost so keep pushing.[/quote]
Thanks a lot,
quick follow up question,
should i split these pins up mwf? or e3d? Just curious as to your opinion on the most effective way to use this low of a dose.
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Every 3rd day is the best if you can keep track of it because then it’s at consistent levels in your body but if you don’t have a good memory and you’ll likely miss shots then you can pick specific days.
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Alright I can definitely keep track, consistency in the test levels was what I was curious about. If i have room in my budget for one more compound, oral or injectable, what would be my best bet to keep my gains fairly dry? (keeping in consideration that i am trying to keep dosages/compounds as mild as possible) aside from diet, which I already have written up for me.
or is sust dosed that low going to produce minimal water retention in general?
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Since it’s a mild cycle and you want to stay lean and hard I would say to add masteron @ about 300-400mg/week and it will give you a harder and drier look. it also works as a mild antiestrogen and will contribute a bit to mass gains.
If you want an oral, go with winstrol or anavar @50mg/day, that would be a nice addition but only use it for the fire 6 weeks. In terms of health, I would say the masteron is a bit more user friendly.
Sust has long esters in it so it will cause some water retention even in low dose, but not too much. If you want completely minimal water retention use test prop.
[quote]ty_ty13 wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]ty_ty13 wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]ty_ty13 wrote:
Shadow,
I think i read on one of your posts about changing esters and/or changing compounds every so many weeks to keep gains coming and i went back to try and find it and came up empty handed.
just in my experience i seem to hit plateaus about week 12-15 on enanthates and about week 8-11 on ace or the shorter esters… is this what you’ve found as well?
ive done a few cycles, some fairly large and some in the mid range. ive had test as high as 1200 and as low as 350 /week. tren as low as 500 and as high as 900 /week
EQ gives me headaches
primo at a noticeable dose makes my hair fall out, same with mast just not as much hairloss and is tolerable.
never used decca
love most any oral except for winny which havocs my joints but is tolerable to work around.
i’ve been messing with HGH and peps lately and I can very easily see how well they’d stack with a large gaining/mass type cycle. very easy to stay lean. 4iu hgh and 2 doses of peps per day make staying lean much simpler.
Im 6’1" and 225lbs in the mornings.
Im starting to plan my blast cycle for this winter and was wondering if you could help me put one together for size and strength. I’m looking to do atleast 1 strongman comp and 1 powerlifting meet next year.
high dose tren doesnt give me any noticable sides except night sweats which i have negated by not having carbs a few hours before bedtime.
I have access to most any injectable (npp, suspension, sust, t400, mast,…ect) and oral ( halo, oral tren, anavar… etc)
i come down to a cruise dose about 1-2 times per year for about 2 months.
I pin ED regardless of what compounds I use. i’ve seen my AI usage go down since i started pinning ED.
the only guideline for the cycle would be - no more than 35IU of GH per week just because its so damn expensive.
my avatar is my pic.
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Hi,
You’re right about the estimated time for the plateaus in the short and long esters, for me it’s a very similar time frame and this is when I know it’s time for a change.
Since strength is your main goal and you seem like an experience user, try something like this…
Week 1-12
Test-e @ 750-1000mg
Tren-a @ first 4 weeks 100mg/ED next 4 weeks 150mg/ED, last 4 weeks 175mg/ED
(You’d better be right that you have no problem with tren, or this dose will hit you hard) I love tren too and I’ve done this before with amazing results.
HGH 4-6iu/day
Nolvadex 20mg/ED
HCG 250iu 3x/week
Week 1-6
Dbol 50mg/day
Anadrol 50mg/day
Week 9-12
Halotestin @ 40-60mg/day
After these 12 weeks I would just cruise on test for at least 4-6 weeks and then start again. When you’re training for strength you don’t need to be fancy, you just need the basics and this combo would be an excellent strength cycle. You can use cheque drops in the last few weeks before your meet as well.
You are looking good in your picture, is strength your only goal or are you looking to add muscle? If you want to put on some size and don’t care about gaining weight or water retention then tell me and I can add/change something. Another great thing to help strength is to try test suspension pre workout and Plazma intraworkout.
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i do use plazma during the WO that in itself was a game changer. as soon as i started using it i put on a solid 2lbs of clean muscle in probably 5 weeks and i got leaner. it was the holy grail!
i dont mind added size as long as its useful/muscle… i dont mind a little added water but the main thing is to stay in range of being able to compete in the 231lb strong man class… as i said earlier i’m at 225lbs in the mornings
and i feel confident enough that even hitting the weight of 236lbs i could easily and comfortably water manipulate to hit the 231lb mark by meet day and still perform at peak performance.
When going back to a cruise would you keep the test at the blast dose for a week or two after the tren clears then gradually taper down to a cruise dose over the course of 4 weeks, then cruise for 4 weeks? or would you immediately drop it to 250-450 and just mentally tough out some of the uncomfortable things for 4-6 weeks until next blast?
on my last blast i dropped the test dose immediately and i didnt like it near as much as a gradual taper. the taper for me seems to let everything gradually come back (metal drive, sex drive, motivation… etc) where as this last immediate dosage drop was a smooth transition.[/quote]
I experienced the same thing since starting with Plazma, now I can’t train without it. What you can do if you want to add a bit of mass is add Humalog pre workout, something like 5-10iu just before you start sipping your Plazma, it will help you add new muscle along with a bit of water retention. The water will go away as soon as you stop the insulin and you’ll keep the new muscle you earned. It will also help you a little bit with strength.
I agree with you about tapering the test down slowly and not just go straight to a cruise dosage. The human body doesn’t like any drastic changes so slowly tapering down into the cruise is a much better idea. You definitely know your shit… good for you for doing your research!
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i did a research but its mainly been paying attention to how my body reacts and what it likes… i’ve learned more from trial and error on what works well for me… all the little things added up to made the biggest difference in my training and diet and supplement use… its easy to see when you nail things perfectly because the gains and strength hit fast and hard.
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Research is great and there’s a lot of stuff to learn from it but I have to agree but the practical application of things are sometimes very different in real life. Trial and error are probably the best way of learning what works best for YOUR body because everyone responds a bit different to the substances.
[quote]Uncreative123 wrote:
Shadow, here’s a pic from this morning after my last workout before the show. Seems like I’m drying out decently. I will keep you updated after the show. I’m headed to Denver now. Probably won’t have to run any water pills or anything. A friend is suggesting to have a bunch of fat the night before (peanut butter etc.) Any thoughts on that? He was even saying pizza…but I’m going to wait until after the show and see how I look the next day to see whether or not I’ll do that before the next show. Anyway, Thank you again so much for everything you’ve helped me with.
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Already looking much better! DO NOT EAT PIZZA OR ANY JUNK FOOD BEFORE THE SHOW!!!
It will make you hold water and you will look like shit in general… Wait until after the show. Stick with your normal diet, you’re on the right track so don’t mess it up.
Lower or cut water out at 16 hours before the show. Have a big steak and potato the night before. 8-10oz of steak and 10oz potato. Don’t mess around with sodium either, keep it as is.
Good luck!
[quote]SauceMonkey wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]SauceMonkey wrote:
Do you ever specifically add calories to your diet if you workout longer than usual? For example you normally weight train 90 mins, but felt really good and did 120. Will you add say 100-200 cals total? Or just keep a consistent surplus?
I know you’ve stated lower carbs on rest/ cardio days, would you recommend say, removing 300 cals of Plazma or what ever intra and replacing it with just protein? Or leave the cals lower when in a gaining phase, hopefully to mitigate fat gain?
Thanks again shadow, learning a ton in here[/quote]
If my session is very hard that day and I feel like I need more carbs, I will add another scoop of Plazma to my intraworkout shake (assuming I’m not dieting, when I’m dieting there’s no room to add extras)
In the days I’m not training, I’ll add a protein meal to replace the protein from my Plazma. In my offseason I’m not trying to lose fat but just keep it under 10% through constantly eating clean, so this is why I allow myself to add the extra protein in my off days.
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interesting, thanks!
what’s your favorite exercise for each body part? abs? legs? just curious haha sorry if I’m asking too many q’s[/quote]
I love the basics…
Legs - squats(back and front)
Chest - incline and decline bench
Posterior chain/back- deadlift from floor
Triceps- close grip bench
Biceps - concentration curls
Shoulders - military press and any rear delt work
[quote]ginston wrote:
hi shadow. read pretty much the whole of your last thread. amazing advice and i take my hat off to you giving users your time and knowledge. i joined this forum just to join in on any possible questions i could ask…
p.s im not a troll etc. quick stats before im bombarded with stats replys lol
age: 26
height: 5.11"
weight: 234lb
training: around 8years
anything else just ask.
anyways…i had two questions which have kind of been covered so apologies if you feel like you are repeating yourself.
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i see you rate proviron. do you think it helps with gains at while run on cylce with regards to allowing more free test etc.
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i also see you rate test/tren/EQ cycle for the off season. i have ran tren a few times and tolerate the sides very well. it is hands down the BEST compound i have ran by far! lasy cycle was prop/tren/dbol. amazing cycle. planning next cycle. cannot decide whether to run a 10week short eatwr cycle like this
test prop 100mg ed 1-10
tren ace 100mg ed 1-8
dbol 40-50mg ed 1-6
i prefer the short ester cycles,for quicker pct and recovery and can cycle sooner rather than waiting longer to cycle again.
or maybe give EQ a try?? i have never ran EQ i have read alot of people saying it us useless and not wortg it. just wanted your opinion on it and its benefits.
if i ran EQ i would cycle it like this maybe
test 400…600mg ew 1-16
EQ 600mg ew 1-16
dbol 40-50mg ed 1-6
tren ace 100mg ed after the 6weeks of dbol
although this is like 2g a week if gear. maybe overkill?
#note it is a off season/bulking cycle.
appreciate your time.[/quote]
Thank you for following and taking time to read. I’m happy to help appreciative people because I’ve seen too many athletes get hurt from getting bad information.
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Absolutely, I think Proviron helps the overall efficiency of the cycle as well as keeping you hard and dry.
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I would go with option #2 for gaining purposes EQ is great. Make sure you’re eating enough calories with it and you’ll see great gains from it (it should make you hungry as hell) and it’s a good mass gainer.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Shadow,
Will you be releasing your book under a pen name or actual?[/quote]
…SHADOW PRO
[quote]SauceMonkey wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
^ fucking brilliant physique there![/quote]
i second this, very motivating, looking great!
seeing this stuff combined with what i’m learning in this thread really gets me excite to compete in fall 15 or spring 16, i can’t effing wait[/quote]
Stick around here… You’re in good hands!
Hey shadowpro,
I’m gonna start an insulinecycle.
I’m gonna use novorapid post workout. I’m gonna use 50g Sugar from Vitargo
after the injection. One hour later a meal with rice/chicken or steak.
I’m allergic to lactose and my stomach don’t like liquid proteins… It gets me sick everytime.
So I can only eat protein.
But normally the protocol is to have a whey/dextrose shake after the injection.
Should I eat protein with my vitargo shake? And one hour later another meal?
Also I shoot HGH 3iu in the AM en 3 IU before training.
Is this ok or should ik shoot the insuline at the same time as the HGH?
My cycle is sutanon / Equipose / tren ace and low dose deca.
Is 10IU insulin enough a day? I don’t want to use to much because I don’t compete (yet)
Thanks in advance
Quick question on HCG. I’ve never used it before. last week of my show, I was basically doing only winstrol, tren, and anavar to avoid water retention. The day after the show, i started a 10 week cycle. Weekly running test e500mg, deca 300mg, Tren a 300mg, dbol first 4 weeks 50mg a day. Using test prop and NPP to get the test and deca in right off while the long term esters build up. But, this will bring my total cycle time to about 22 weeks.
Now, I’ve not been using the HCG, and see you recommend 250iu 2x a week to keep suppression from happening. Obviously it’s too late for that. i’ve done PCT with just nolva and just clomid (I tend to do better with nolva). I hear so much mixed stuff about HCG for PCT. Some saying about 1000iu a week, in 2 doses for ten days after last shot, then traditional PCT, to as high as 2500iu a day for weeks. It’s bonkers town reading the variances. Some even say it’s a complete waste of time to use it. What’s your opinion and advice for PCT, when HCG is available for PCT but hasn’t been used during the cycle?
I know using deca and tren makes the cycle VERY suppressive and both were used during my show prep as well. Also, would you recommend tapering down after the ten weeks and then doing PCT, or not? As always, appreciate the feedback. Switching to the Test, Eq, Tren combo you suggested for my next bulking session after some time off.
Been reading some Dan Duchaine’s stuff lately and would like to know your opinion on the following if you don’t mind…
1 - Nolvadex ONLY, when dieting. Without any steroids.
2- Vanadyl sulfate.
3 - Chromium picolinate.
Also could youl include dosages and dose timing if in your opinion any of these are worth using?
All the best and thanks a million.
[quote]Gojira289 wrote:
Hi Shadow, I’m about 3/4 of the way through your first thread and I haven’t seen anything about either of these topics addressed so far, but if they have been, I apologize in advance. Also, this is awesome of you and I’m learning a ton!
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I see that you recommend masteron a lot. I love what it does for me physique-wise, but it absolutely kills my joints. I’ve even experimented with doses as low as 50mg/wk of mast E and still have a noticeable tendonitis type feeling in my elbows and knees from it. Anything higher than that affects my training to the point that the juice just isn’t worth the squeeze (no pun intended). I suspect that this it due to its anti-estrogen properties, because even the smallest amount of any aromatase inhibitor I’ve ever tried (letro, aromasin & adex) has given me the same side effect. Do you know of any way to combat this? I’ve had several bottles of it laying around for like a year now that I just flat out can’t use.
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I read that you like to do your cardio post workout, as do I. Actually it’s not that I prefer it, it’s just due to time restraints. I can’t go to the gym twice a day, raise a kid, and run a business. Do you have any opinion on whether doing cardio post workout could negatively affect muscle gains by prematurely killing your pump? Today for instance, I did chest, bi’s and tri’s. After I was finished lifting I felt pumped as hell, then I went and did 4 HIIT stationary bike sprints called Winfalls (not sure if you’re familiar with this), followed by 5 minutes of steep incline walking on the treadmill while my heart rate was still nice and high from the last bike sprint. By the time this was over my quads and calves were totally pumped and my chest/arm pump was gone. It seems like if we spend a bunch of money on intra-workout nutrition to shuttle nutrients into our muscles, only to turn around and send all of the blood and nutrients to the wrong muscles, we’re working against ourselves. Do you have any thoughts on this?
Thanks again for taking the time to answer our questions![/quote]
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That’s the first time I’ve heard of joint problems from masteron. Since you say you’re sensitive to antiestrogens then I could see this being a possibility. A few options you could use for supplements to help this would be high dosages of fish oil and circumin for example, both of these might help with relief from joint issues. Deca in small doses can also help if you use it in the off season obviously during competition prep it won’t be something you use. Soft and deep tissue massage can help too.
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It really depends on the type of cardio you’re doing and the intensity. If it’s slow and steady cardio. For example if it’s a 20min incline walk then there’s no issue at all but if it’s HIIT or any kind of intense cardio I would treat it as a part of my workout and keep drinking Plazma between sprints. It doesn’t matter if you lose your “pump” as long as you have done the work and you have the nutrition from the Plazma in your system you will not go catabolic even if you’re doing cardio.
A better option would be to do your HIIT on a different day and treat it like a regular workout so you can have your intraworkout nutrition during the session (in smaller amounts)The timing of your cardio is not an issue, as long as you’re doing it.
[quote]Portierken wrote:
Hey shadowpro,
I’m gonna start an insulinecycle.
I’m gonna use novorapid post workout. I’m gonna use 50g Sugar from Vitargo
after the injection. One hour later a meal with rice/chicken or steak.
I’m allergic to lactose and my stomach don’t like liquid proteins… It gets me sick everytime.
So I can only eat protein.
But normally the protocol is to have a whey/dextrose shake after the injection.
Should I eat protein with my vitargo shake? And one hour later another meal?
Also I shoot HGH 3iu in the AM en 3 IU before training.
Is this ok or should ik shoot the insuline at the same time as the HGH?
My cycle is sutanon / Equipose / tren ace and low dose deca.
Is 10IU insulin enough a day? I don’t want to use to much because I don’t compete (yet)
Thanks in advance[/quote]
You’re doing it all wrong… If you have done any reading in my first thread you’d have your answer already. The subject has been stomped into the ground here. My advice is to go back and read some of the first pages on the thread and you’ll find exactly what you’re looking for.
Just a few points to get your started…
Plazma is my only recommendation for nutrition with insulin
Ideal time for Insulin is pre workout
GH timing is completely based on your goal
Dosages are also VERY individual
Go read through the first thread and you’ll find a shit ton of info about insulin and if you’re stuck and need my help with dosages and timing then come back here and post a picture and information about yourself so I can help.
[quote]Fathermithras wrote:
Quick question on HCG. I’ve never used it before. last week of my show, I was basically doing only winstrol, tren, and anavar to avoid water retention. The day after the show, i started a 10 week cycle. Weekly running test e500mg, deca 300mg, Tren a 300mg, dbol first 4 weeks 50mg a day. Using test prop and NPP to get the test and deca in right off while the long term esters build up. But, this will bring my total cycle time to about 22 weeks.
Now, I’ve not been using the HCG, and see you recommend 250iu 2x a week to keep suppression from happening. Obviously it’s too late for that. i’ve done PCT with just nolva and just clomid (I tend to do better with nolva). I hear so much mixed stuff about HCG for PCT. Some saying about 1000iu a week, in 2 doses for ten days after last shot, then traditional PCT, to as high as 2500iu a day for weeks. It’s bonkers town reading the variances. Some even say it’s a complete waste of time to use it. What’s your opinion and advice for PCT, when HCG is available for PCT but hasn’t been used during the cycle?
I know using deca and tren makes the cycle VERY suppressive and both were used during my show prep as well. Also, would you recommend tapering down after the ten weeks and then doing PCT, or not? As always, appreciate the feedback. Switching to the Test, Eq, Tren combo you suggested for my next bulking session after some time off.[/quote]
Since you did deca and tren in the same cycle and didn’t use HCG I would recommend an aggressive pct once you’ve finished the cycle. Before the pct taper down off the cycle slowly.
In order to recover I would do this…
3000iu of HCG every 3rd day for a total of 10shots (30,000iu)
Clomid (2 weeks on 100mg and 2 weeks on 50mg)
Nolvadex 10-20mg/day START NOW keep it until 1 week after you finish the clomid, while you are taking clomid increase it to 40/40/40/20/20
Finish 2 bottles of AlphaMale(start it with the pct and keep going til the bottle are done) take 6 a day, not 4
By the time you are finished this, you’ll be good!
As for your next cycle, add an oral like dbol, tbol or Anadrol to the combo I suggested and you’ll have awesome gains.
[quote]thor159 wrote:
Been reading some Dan Duchaine’s stuff lately and would like to know your opinion on the following if you don’t mind…
1 - Nolvadex ONLY, when dieting. Without any steroids.
2- Vanadyl sulfate.
3 - Chromium picolinate.
Also could youl include dosages and dose timing if in your opinion any of these are worth using?
All the best and thanks a million.[/quote]
Never used nolvadex only and I’m not familiar with anyone who does… I’ve heard of some female competitors taking arimidex by itself to stay drier in offseason.
I like chromium picolinate, it helps balance blood sugar… I usually take it before my biggest carb meal or split it into a few doses throughout the day. 200-400mcg is a good dose. The benefits are all very minor and I think there’s much better things to spend your money on.
Shadow,
Would you also tell an experienced bodybuilder to go up to/from 100/150/175mg a day of tren for 4 weeks @ each dose? Or was your recommendation primarily for an experienced powerlifter?
The orals in that cycle seem crazy(compounds, stack, non-stop)
Also, with regards to GH and Slin, I see you are very clear with Humalog 10-15min pre workout and if I remember correctly…IM to act and clear quickly. I presume you also do GH IM and I am guessing 45min pre workout? Let me know.
Also, have you ever tried 10iu Humalog pre and 10iu Humalog post? How are results from that?
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]ginston wrote:
hi shadow. read pretty much the whole of your last thread. amazing advice and i take my hat off to you giving users your time and knowledge. i joined this forum just to join in on any possible questions i could ask…
p.s im not a troll etc. quick stats before im bombarded with stats replys lol
age: 26
height: 5.11"
weight: 234lb
training: around 8years
anything else just ask.
anyways…i had two questions which have kind of been covered so apologies if you feel like you are repeating yourself.
-
i see you rate proviron. do you think it helps with gains at while run on cylce with regards to allowing more free test etc.
-
i also see you rate test/tren/EQ cycle for the off season. i have ran tren a few times and tolerate the sides very well. it is hands down the BEST compound i have ran by far! lasy cycle was prop/tren/dbol. amazing cycle. planning next cycle. cannot decide whether to run a 10week short eatwr cycle like this
test prop 100mg ed 1-10
tren ace 100mg ed 1-8
dbol 40-50mg ed 1-6
i prefer the short ester cycles,for quicker pct and recovery and can cycle sooner rather than waiting longer to cycle again.
or maybe give EQ a try?? i have never ran EQ i have read alot of people saying it us useless and not wortg it. just wanted your opinion on it and its benefits.
if i ran EQ i would cycle it like this maybe
test 400…600mg ew 1-16
EQ 600mg ew 1-16
dbol 40-50mg ed 1-6
tren ace 100mg ed after the 6weeks of dbol
although this is like 2g a week if gear. maybe overkill?
#note it is a off season/bulking cycle.
appreciate your time.[/quote]
Thank you for following and taking time to read. I’m happy to help appreciative people because I’ve seen too many athletes get hurt from getting bad information.
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Absolutely, I think Proviron helps the overall efficiency of the cycle as well as keeping you hard and dry.
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I would go with option #2 for gaining purposes EQ is great. Make sure you’re eating enough calories with it and you’ll see great gains from it (it should make you hungry as hell) and it’s a good mass gainer.
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appreicate the time for your reply…
Hello, just a quick question I want cleared up Shadow.
Is it true that a man’s natural testosterone levels dip slightly after each cycle.
So iow yes you recover but never to the same natural level as before you took the cycle and that with each consecutive cycle your natural test levels come back but slightly weaker?