Shadow Pro Q&A 2.0

Pharma
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[quote]tazzx wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]tazzx wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]tazzx wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]tazzx wrote:
Hi shadow.
i’ve had a few questions ive been meaning to ask for a while and finally got around to.

Are there any supplements that you personally believe aren’t a waste of time?
I.e whey/amino acids/glutamine/creatine things of that nature

a more personalized question:
i am 2 years into lifting, 230lbs, 6’, and a decent amount of muscle but nothing too special. currently cutting at 2k calories a day. i have aspirations of being at that ifbb level (and yes i know how little of a chance that actually can be with genetics/gear reaction/health etc). however i am just over 21 years old and ive been thinking it’s starting to get pretty late to start cycling as most of the guys i see win olympias were on heaps of goodies before they even turned 20 and already had incredible physiques

that said, assuming there were no health complications and i was to get my blood tests every few months among checking blood pressure daily, would you recommend just cruising after i blast the first 12 or so weeks, or do you just recommend i start with a cycle. (most likely would just be test e/c)

At what year of your life did you hop on for the first time, what was your first cycle, and how long did it take you to stay on for a prolonged period?

Also as for my calves, I for the life of me can’t seem to grow them. I’ve tried high volume and low volume, frequent training and infrequent training. Still trying to think of anything I can do as I wear shorts a ton and as of now it looks like I’ve never worked legs in my life knees down. So what do you think about incline treadmill on leg day or in general for calve growth? Good idea?[/quote]

I believe there are a lot of great supplements that aren’t a waste of time. If you read any of my first thread you’d see the reason I actually started writing here on T-Nation is because I’ve been a long term Biotest user. For all of my years I was sponsored by companies who had garbage supplements and I always continued to order by supplements here. The most important and my all time favorite at the moment is the Plazma, I honestly don’t believe there is anything that can touch the quality of this product. I use Plazma and MAG-10 year round. Micro-pa is a relatively new product here and it’s something you don’t have to cycle off from so I’ve been on it continually for months now and never lost any strength as I usually do during my diets which was suprising.

Most of the time I’m using a shitload of supplements along with the juice I take. I’m going to be going into my pct in the next month and here are some very important supplements I have on hand and ready to go. AlphaMale, Carbolin 19-19, circumin, Flameout. Proper supplementation can help immensely with recovery after a cycle and also keeping your health while on cycle. Flameout and circumin are also a staple for me year round.

After 2 years of lifting I wouldn’t start a cycle, I think it’s too early. You need to max your own potential before going into this or you’ll be shooting yourself in the foot when it comes to results. You need a good solid foundation naturally from a good diet, supplements and training… Only then you should add a cycle. I would give it a few more years before considering it.

I had a good 5-6 years of serious training before I took anything.

Incline walking is great for calves, you could do this for 15-20 min after each workout and don’t hold on the treadmill. High frequency (3x/week at least) and a combination of heavy lifting, high reps and high intensity is the key.
[/quote]
Alright.

Also I’ve just began understanding the importance of nutrition and have only just started (a lot of what you’ve said in past posts finally stuck) carb timing.
For exmaple I’m currently cutting and I’ll have around 200 carbs a day, usually about 120-150 of them will be from before and after my workout.

That seems pretty clear cut, however what about bulking? You obviously won’t be able to eat the majority of your carbs in 1-2 sittings on a bulk so where would you place them at through the day periodically.

Also off days? I know you should be cutting carbs a ton during these, but is there any best time to have them?

Thank you for the feedback. I appreciate it.

[/quote]

If you’re cutting, the majority of your carbs should be intraworkout. So if you are currently eating 200g daily then you can have 120-150 of those from Plazma intraworkout. For an offseason the same idea applies, you should have the majority of carbs intraworkout(whatever you can handle) and the rest of them should be in this order: 1. Preworkout 2. Post workout 3. Morning 4. Before bed

In the off season I’ve had up to 300g intraworkout and that the beauty of Plazma for people who aren’t big eaters like myself. These numbers of carbs are literally impossible to consume using solid foods alone and this is partly why Plazma has been such a big game changer in my career.[/quote]

Evan centopani puts the bulk of his carbs pre and right after his workout and the bulk of his fats all post workout and later in the day. What is your stance on this and where you put your fats through out the day?

Also what’s your stance on if it fits your macros? If i had caloric room for a pepsi would it be the worst thing to drink while cutting or even bulking

Lastly, I used to be ex morbidly obese (5’9 320lbs) at 17 years old
Currently 21 (5’11 230)[still struggling with loose skin a bit] with an okay muscle base. As I said earlier my goal physique is something of IFBB stature although that could be irrelevant to the question. Do you believe someone can recomp into a great physique or do you think the only real ways to get there are through cutting and bulking? And what are your thoughts on recomping on a cycle?
[/quote]

I like to put my fats in meals with low or no carbs and before bed to slow absorption down throughout the night.

I think if it fits you macros is a shitty idea, simply because the quality of the food your body needs is very important. You can’t compare a steak to a pizza no matter how you turn it. If you are choosing healthy choices for food(bodybuilding friendly) in a iifym style diet then it might work in the off season… Pepsi wouldn’t be an advisable choice AT ALL. Save it for your cheat meals.

It all depends on the level you want to get to. I don’t like the classic terms “cutting & bulking” in order to lose bodyfat you need to be in a calorie deficit and in order to gain muscle you need to be in a surplus. If you want to call it cutting and bulking that’s fine but it’s not so simple. The leaner you want to be, the longer and harder you’ll have to diet. The more muscle you want to add then you are looking at longer periods of time in a calorie surplus. Training will need to be correlating with the diet.

I don’t know what you mean by an ok muscle base. I need to see pictures to see where you’re at.[/quote]

attached picture for help.
also what i think would be better putting what i was trying to say, do you believe it’s possible to grow out of fat and into muscle eating exceptionally clean at maintenance for a natural lifter?

[/quote]

Yes it is without a doubt possible. I have done it myself from a physique alike yours (my photo a couple hundred pages pack if you care to look) and it aimply requires hard training, a ‘clean’ diet though i dont like the word, and intelligent supplementation wrt intraworkout nutrition.

Just my 2c

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[quote]Pinkylifting wrote:

[quote]tazzx wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]tazzx wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]tazzx wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]tazzx wrote:
Hi shadow.
i’ve had a few questions ive been meaning to ask for a while and finally got around to.

Are there any supplements that you personally believe aren’t a waste of time?
I.e whey/amino acids/glutamine/creatine things of that nature

a more personalized question:
i am 2 years into lifting, 230lbs, 6’, and a decent amount of muscle but nothing too special. currently cutting at 2k calories a day. i have aspirations of being at that ifbb level (and yes i know how little of a chance that actually can be with genetics/gear reaction/health etc). however i am just over 21 years old and ive been thinking it’s starting to get pretty late to start cycling as most of the guys i see win olympias were on heaps of goodies before they even turned 20 and already had incredible physiques

that said, assuming there were no health complications and i was to get my blood tests every few months among checking blood pressure daily, would you recommend just cruising after i blast the first 12 or so weeks, or do you just recommend i start with a cycle. (most likely would just be test e/c)

At what year of your life did you hop on for the first time, what was your first cycle, and how long did it take you to stay on for a prolonged period?

Also as for my calves, I for the life of me can’t seem to grow them. I’ve tried high volume and low volume, frequent training and infrequent training. Still trying to think of anything I can do as I wear shorts a ton and as of now it looks like I’ve never worked legs in my life knees down. So what do you think about incline treadmill on leg day or in general for calve growth? Good idea?[/quote]

I believe there are a lot of great supplements that aren’t a waste of time. If you read any of my first thread you’d see the reason I actually started writing here on T-Nation is because I’ve been a long term Biotest user. For all of my years I was sponsored by companies who had garbage supplements and I always continued to order by supplements here. The most important and my all time favorite at the moment is the Plazma, I honestly don’t believe there is anything that can touch the quality of this product. I use Plazma and MAG-10 year round. Micro-pa is a relatively new product here and it’s something you don’t have to cycle off from so I’ve been on it continually for months now and never lost any strength as I usually do during my diets which was suprising.

Most of the time I’m using a shitload of supplements along with the juice I take. I’m going to be going into my pct in the next month and here are some very important supplements I have on hand and ready to go. AlphaMale, Carbolin 19-19, circumin, Flameout. Proper supplementation can help immensely with recovery after a cycle and also keeping your health while on cycle. Flameout and circumin are also a staple for me year round.

After 2 years of lifting I wouldn’t start a cycle, I think it’s too early. You need to max your own potential before going into this or you’ll be shooting yourself in the foot when it comes to results. You need a good solid foundation naturally from a good diet, supplements and training… Only then you should add a cycle. I would give it a few more years before considering it.

I had a good 5-6 years of serious training before I took anything.

Incline walking is great for calves, you could do this for 15-20 min after each workout and don’t hold on the treadmill. High frequency (3x/week at least) and a combination of heavy lifting, high reps and high intensity is the key.
[/quote]
Alright.

Also I’ve just began understanding the importance of nutrition and have only just started (a lot of what you’ve said in past posts finally stuck) carb timing.
For exmaple I’m currently cutting and I’ll have around 200 carbs a day, usually about 120-150 of them will be from before and after my workout.

That seems pretty clear cut, however what about bulking? You obviously won’t be able to eat the majority of your carbs in 1-2 sittings on a bulk so where would you place them at through the day periodically.

Also off days? I know you should be cutting carbs a ton during these, but is there any best time to have them?

Thank you for the feedback. I appreciate it.

[/quote]

If you’re cutting, the majority of your carbs should be intraworkout. So if you are currently eating 200g daily then you can have 120-150 of those from Plazma intraworkout. For an offseason the same idea applies, you should have the majority of carbs intraworkout(whatever you can handle) and the rest of them should be in this order: 1. Preworkout 2. Post workout 3. Morning 4. Before bed

In the off season I’ve had up to 300g intraworkout and that the beauty of Plazma for people who aren’t big eaters like myself. These numbers of carbs are literally impossible to consume using solid foods alone and this is partly why Plazma has been such a big game changer in my career.[/quote]

Evan centopani puts the bulk of his carbs pre and right after his workout and the bulk of his fats all post workout and later in the day. What is your stance on this and where you put your fats through out the day?

Also what’s your stance on if it fits your macros? If i had caloric room for a pepsi would it be the worst thing to drink while cutting or even bulking

Lastly, I used to be ex morbidly obese (5’9 320lbs) at 17 years old
Currently 21 (5’11 230)[still struggling with loose skin a bit] with an okay muscle base. As I said earlier my goal physique is something of IFBB stature although that could be irrelevant to the question. Do you believe someone can recomp into a great physique or do you think the only real ways to get there are through cutting and bulking? And what are your thoughts on recomping on a cycle?
[/quote]

I like to put my fats in meals with low or no carbs and before bed to slow absorption down throughout the night.

I think if it fits you macros is a shitty idea, simply because the quality of the food your body needs is very important. You can’t compare a steak to a pizza no matter how you turn it. If you are choosing healthy choices for food(bodybuilding friendly) in a iifym style diet then it might work in the off season… Pepsi wouldn’t be an advisable choice AT ALL. Save it for your cheat meals.

It all depends on the level you want to get to. I don’t like the classic terms “cutting & bulking” in order to lose bodyfat you need to be in a calorie deficit and in order to gain muscle you need to be in a surplus. If you want to call it cutting and bulking that’s fine but it’s not so simple. The leaner you want to be, the longer and harder you’ll have to diet. The more muscle you want to add then you are looking at longer periods of time in a calorie surplus. Training will need to be correlating with the diet.

I don’t know what you mean by an ok muscle base. I need to see pictures to see where you’re at.[/quote]

attached picture for help.
also what i think would be better putting what i was trying to say, do you believe it’s possible to grow out of fat and into muscle eating exceptionally clean at maintenance for a natural lifter?

[/quote]

Yes it is without a doubt possible. I have done it myself from a physique alike yours (my photo a couple hundred pages pack if you care to look) and it aimply requires hard training, a ‘clean’ diet though i dont like the word, and intelligent supplementation wrt intraworkout nutrition.

Just my 2c[/quote]

Found the pics of your current physique, but couldn’t find the ones of your fat self if you posted them. Appreciate this, as it was always an idea that I’ve considered as I feel like I don’t get anywhere cutting(or very slowly since I have a decade[which is 50% of my life currently] of morbid obese level of fat cells, and put on too much fat bulking.

Interested on hearing shadow’s take on this

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[quote] Tazzx wrote:

attached picture for help. some loose skin on my tummy/breasts and inner thighs that arent being shown.

also what i think would be better putting what i was trying to say, do you believe it’s possible to grow out of fat and into muscle eating exceptionally clean at maintenance for a natural lifter?

[/quote]

First of all, congratulations again on the weight loss and I appreciate the hard work and dedication you’re putting into this.

I don’t think you posted your diet yet, would it be possible for me to see what you’re currently doing?

From your current state right now all you need to do is continue training hard in high frequency (5-6 day/week) and make sure you’re in a calorie deficit. Obviously you still have fat to lose to get to you’re ideal physique but with time you’ll get there.

I wouldn’t do any sort of “bulking” right now, so stay away from doing a calorie surplus. In order to lose the fat you have you need to burn more energy than you put in. In terms of muscle mass and gains, you are considered a beginner so it’s absolutely possible that you can gain muscle and burn fat at the same time. Any kind of stimulus to the muscle right now will be enough for some sort of hypertrophy.

As long as you make the right food choices… In terms of quality and quantity then you will keep seeing progress.

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[quote]Pinkylifting wrote:

[quote]tazzx wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]tazzx wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]tazzx wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]tazzx wrote:
Hi shadow.
i’ve had a few questions ive been meaning to ask for a while and finally got around to.

Are there any supplements that you personally believe aren’t a waste of time?
I.e whey/amino acids/glutamine/creatine things of that nature

a more personalized question:
i am 2 years into lifting, 230lbs, 6’, and a decent amount of muscle but nothing too special. currently cutting at 2k calories a day. i have aspirations of being at that ifbb level (and yes i know how little of a chance that actually can be with genetics/gear reaction/health etc). however i am just over 21 years old and ive been thinking it’s starting to get pretty late to start cycling as most of the guys i see win olympias were on heaps of goodies before they even turned 20 and already had incredible physiques

that said, assuming there were no health complications and i was to get my blood tests every few months among checking blood pressure daily, would you recommend just cruising after i blast the first 12 or so weeks, or do you just recommend i start with a cycle. (most likely would just be test e/c)

At what year of your life did you hop on for the first time, what was your first cycle, and how long did it take you to stay on for a prolonged period?

Also as for my calves, I for the life of me can’t seem to grow them. I’ve tried high volume and low volume, frequent training and infrequent training. Still trying to think of anything I can do as I wear shorts a ton and as of now it looks like I’ve never worked legs in my life knees down. So what do you think about incline treadmill on leg day or in general for calve growth? Good idea?[/quote]

I believe there are a lot of great supplements that aren’t a waste of time. If you read any of my first thread you’d see the reason I actually started writing here on T-Nation is because I’ve been a long term Biotest user. For all of my years I was sponsored by companies who had garbage supplements and I always continued to order by supplements here. The most important and my all time favorite at the moment is the Plazma, I honestly don’t believe there is anything that can touch the quality of this product. I use Plazma and MAG-10 year round. Micro-pa is a relatively new product here and it’s something you don’t have to cycle off from so I’ve been on it continually for months now and never lost any strength as I usually do during my diets which was suprising.

Most of the time I’m using a shitload of supplements along with the juice I take. I’m going to be going into my pct in the next month and here are some very important supplements I have on hand and ready to go. AlphaMale, Carbolin 19-19, circumin, Flameout. Proper supplementation can help immensely with recovery after a cycle and also keeping your health while on cycle. Flameout and circumin are also a staple for me year round.

After 2 years of lifting I wouldn’t start a cycle, I think it’s too early. You need to max your own potential before going into this or you’ll be shooting yourself in the foot when it comes to results. You need a good solid foundation naturally from a good diet, supplements and training… Only then you should add a cycle. I would give it a few more years before considering it.

I had a good 5-6 years of serious training before I took anything.

Incline walking is great for calves, you could do this for 15-20 min after each workout and don’t hold on the treadmill. High frequency (3x/week at least) and a combination of heavy lifting, high reps and high intensity is the key.
[/quote]
Alright.

Also I’ve just began understanding the importance of nutrition and have only just started (a lot of what you’ve said in past posts finally stuck) carb timing.
For exmaple I’m currently cutting and I’ll have around 200 carbs a day, usually about 120-150 of them will be from before and after my workout.

That seems pretty clear cut, however what about bulking? You obviously won’t be able to eat the majority of your carbs in 1-2 sittings on a bulk so where would you place them at through the day periodically.

Also off days? I know you should be cutting carbs a ton during these, but is there any best time to have them?

Thank you for the feedback. I appreciate it.

[/quote]

If you’re cutting, the majority of your carbs should be intraworkout. So if you are currently eating 200g daily then you can have 120-150 of those from Plazma intraworkout. For an offseason the same idea applies, you should have the majority of carbs intraworkout(whatever you can handle) and the rest of them should be in this order: 1. Preworkout 2. Post workout 3. Morning 4. Before bed

In the off season I’ve had up to 300g intraworkout and that the beauty of Plazma for people who aren’t big eaters like myself. These numbers of carbs are literally impossible to consume using solid foods alone and this is partly why Plazma has been such a big game changer in my career.[/quote]

Evan centopani puts the bulk of his carbs pre and right after his workout and the bulk of his fats all post workout and later in the day. What is your stance on this and where you put your fats through out the day?

Also what’s your stance on if it fits your macros? If i had caloric room for a pepsi would it be the worst thing to drink while cutting or even bulking

Lastly, I used to be ex morbidly obese (5’9 320lbs) at 17 years old
Currently 21 (5’11 230)[still struggling with loose skin a bit] with an okay muscle base. As I said earlier my goal physique is something of IFBB stature although that could be irrelevant to the question. Do you believe someone can recomp into a great physique or do you think the only real ways to get there are through cutting and bulking? And what are your thoughts on recomping on a cycle?
[/quote]

I like to put my fats in meals with low or no carbs and before bed to slow absorption down throughout the night.

I think if it fits you macros is a shitty idea, simply because the quality of the food your body needs is very important. You can’t compare a steak to a pizza no matter how you turn it. If you are choosing healthy choices for food(bodybuilding friendly) in a iifym style diet then it might work in the off season… Pepsi wouldn’t be an advisable choice AT ALL. Save it for your cheat meals.

It all depends on the level you want to get to. I don’t like the classic terms “cutting & bulking” in order to lose bodyfat you need to be in a calorie deficit and in order to gain muscle you need to be in a surplus. If you want to call it cutting and bulking that’s fine but it’s not so simple. The leaner you want to be, the longer and harder you’ll have to diet. The more muscle you want to add then you are looking at longer periods of time in a calorie surplus. Training will need to be correlating with the diet.

I don’t know what you mean by an ok muscle base. I need to see pictures to see where you’re at.[/quote]

attached picture for help.
also what i think would be better putting what i was trying to say, do you believe it’s possible to grow out of fat and into muscle eating exceptionally clean at maintenance for a natural lifter?

[/quote]

Yes it is without a doubt possible. I have done it myself from a physique alike yours (my photo a couple hundred pages pack if you care to look) and it aimply requires hard training, a ‘clean’ diet though i dont like the word, and intelligent supplementation wrt intraworkout nutrition.

Just my 2c[/quote]

Very good post! I agree with this for the most part, obviously it’s individual as you know but you’re absolutely on the right track here.

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[quote]tazzx wrote:

[quote]Pinkylifting wrote:

[quote]tazzx wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]tazzx wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]tazzx wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]tazzx wrote:
Hi shadow.
i’ve had a few questions ive been meaning to ask for a while and finally got around to.

Are there any supplements that you personally believe aren’t a waste of time?
I.e whey/amino acids/glutamine/creatine things of that nature

a more personalized question:
i am 2 years into lifting, 230lbs, 6’, and a decent amount of muscle but nothing too special. currently cutting at 2k calories a day. i have aspirations of being at that ifbb level (and yes i know how little of a chance that actually can be with genetics/gear reaction/health etc). however i am just over 21 years old and ive been thinking it’s starting to get pretty late to start cycling as most of the guys i see win olympias were on heaps of goodies before they even turned 20 and already had incredible physiques

that said, assuming there were no health complications and i was to get my blood tests every few months among checking blood pressure daily, would you recommend just cruising after i blast the first 12 or so weeks, or do you just recommend i start with a cycle. (most likely would just be test e/c)

At what year of your life did you hop on for the first time, what was your first cycle, and how long did it take you to stay on for a prolonged period?

Also as for my calves, I for the life of me can’t seem to grow them. I’ve tried high volume and low volume, frequent training and infrequent training. Still trying to think of anything I can do as I wear shorts a ton and as of now it looks like I’ve never worked legs in my life knees down. So what do you think about incline treadmill on leg day or in general for calve growth? Good idea?[/quote]

I believe there are a lot of great supplements that aren’t a waste of time. If you read any of my first thread you’d see the reason I actually started writing here on T-Nation is because I’ve been a long term Biotest user. For all of my years I was sponsored by companies who had garbage supplements and I always continued to order by supplements here. The most important and my all time favorite at the moment is the Plazma, I honestly don’t believe there is anything that can touch the quality of this product. I use Plazma and MAG-10 year round. Micro-pa is a relatively new product here and it’s something you don’t have to cycle off from so I’ve been on it continually for months now and never lost any strength as I usually do during my diets which was suprising.

Most of the time I’m using a shitload of supplements along with the juice I take. I’m going to be going into my pct in the next month and here are some very important supplements I have on hand and ready to go. AlphaMale, Carbolin 19-19, circumin, Flameout. Proper supplementation can help immensely with recovery after a cycle and also keeping your health while on cycle. Flameout and circumin are also a staple for me year round.

After 2 years of lifting I wouldn’t start a cycle, I think it’s too early. You need to max your own potential before going into this or you’ll be shooting yourself in the foot when it comes to results. You need a good solid foundation naturally from a good diet, supplements and training… Only then you should add a cycle. I would give it a few more years before considering it.

I had a good 5-6 years of serious training before I took anything.

Incline walking is great for calves, you could do this for 15-20 min after each workout and don’t hold on the treadmill. High frequency (3x/week at least) and a combination of heavy lifting, high reps and high intensity is the key.
[/quote]
Alright.

Also I’ve just began understanding the importance of nutrition and have only just started (a lot of what you’ve said in past posts finally stuck) carb timing.
For exmaple I’m currently cutting and I’ll have around 200 carbs a day, usually about 120-150 of them will be from before and after my workout.

That seems pretty clear cut, however what about bulking? You obviously won’t be able to eat the majority of your carbs in 1-2 sittings on a bulk so where would you place them at through the day periodically.

Also off days? I know you should be cutting carbs a ton during these, but is there any best time to have them?

Thank you for the feedback. I appreciate it.

[/quote]

If you’re cutting, the majority of your carbs should be intraworkout. So if you are currently eating 200g daily then you can have 120-150 of those from Plazma intraworkout. For an offseason the same idea applies, you should have the majority of carbs intraworkout(whatever you can handle) and the rest of them should be in this order: 1. Preworkout 2. Post workout 3. Morning 4. Before bed

In the off season I’ve had up to 300g intraworkout and that the beauty of Plazma for people who aren’t big eaters like myself. These numbers of carbs are literally impossible to consume using solid foods alone and this is partly why Plazma has been such a big game changer in my career.[/quote]

Evan centopani puts the bulk of his carbs pre and right after his workout and the bulk of his fats all post workout and later in the day. What is your stance on this and where you put your fats through out the day?

Also what’s your stance on if it fits your macros? If i had caloric room for a pepsi would it be the worst thing to drink while cutting or even bulking

Lastly, I used to be ex morbidly obese (5’9 320lbs) at 17 years old
Currently 21 (5’11 230)[still struggling with loose skin a bit] with an okay muscle base. As I said earlier my goal physique is something of IFBB stature although that could be irrelevant to the question. Do you believe someone can recomp into a great physique or do you think the only real ways to get there are through cutting and bulking? And what are your thoughts on recomping on a cycle?
[/quote]

I like to put my fats in meals with low or no carbs and before bed to slow absorption down throughout the night.

I think if it fits you macros is a shitty idea, simply because the quality of the food your body needs is very important. You can’t compare a steak to a pizza no matter how you turn it. If you are choosing healthy choices for food(bodybuilding friendly) in a iifym style diet then it might work in the off season… Pepsi wouldn’t be an advisable choice AT ALL. Save it for your cheat meals.

It all depends on the level you want to get to. I don’t like the classic terms “cutting & bulking” in order to lose bodyfat you need to be in a calorie deficit and in order to gain muscle you need to be in a surplus. If you want to call it cutting and bulking that’s fine but it’s not so simple. The leaner you want to be, the longer and harder you’ll have to diet. The more muscle you want to add then you are looking at longer periods of time in a calorie surplus. Training will need to be correlating with the diet.

I don’t know what you mean by an ok muscle base. I need to see pictures to see where you’re at.[/quote]

attached picture for help.
also what i think would be better putting what i was trying to say, do you believe it’s possible to grow out of fat and into muscle eating exceptionally clean at maintenance for a natural lifter?

[/quote]

Yes it is without a doubt possible. I have done it myself from a physique alike yours (my photo a couple hundred pages pack if you care to look) and it aimply requires hard training, a ‘clean’ diet though i dont like the word, and intelligent supplementation wrt intraworkout nutrition.

Just my 2c[/quote]

Found the pics of your current physique, but couldn’t find the ones of your fat self if you posted them. Appreciate this, as it was always an idea that I’ve considered as I feel like I don’t get anywhere cutting(or very slowly since I have a decade[which is 50% of my life currently] of morbid obese level of fat cells, and put on too much fat bulking.

Interested on hearing shadow’s take on this[/quote]

Here’s my suggestion to you… I’ll be more specific when I see your current diet but here are a few points.

-protein intake 1-1.2g/lb
-carbs 1g/lb in heavy training days(in off days and light days, possibly .5g/lb or less)
-fat intake minimal for body function (most people are around 40-70g/day)
-choose quality foods, no junk food, try and stay away from processed food

Protein sources: chicken, egg white, turkey, white fish, lean red meat etc.
Carb sources: oats, rice, ekeziel bread, potatos, yams etc.
Fat sources: avocado, natural peanut butter, mct oil, olive oil etc…

Make sure you count EVERYTHING you are eating.

Supplement recommendations: these are a must
-indigo3G (I would recommend this to ANYONE who is dieting and anyone who wants to be lean)
-Plazma
-HOT-ROX
-MAG-10

Training recommendations:
-high frequency training… Squat and deadlift at least twice a week and press and pull 3 times a week in different variations.
-try to stay away from a “classic” bodybuilding program
-the big compound exercises are very important in your program and the more you do them the faster you’ll advance in all areas.

  • do cardio 4-5 days a week (30-60min) it will help with daily calorie expenditure and help boost your metabolism.

Stay away from drugs until you reach 10-12% bodyfat. It won’t take you as long as you think… As long as you stay on track!

Hope this helps and good luck with your goals.

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can you elaborate on this a bit more haha

give us some better clues on some of these secrets or where to find them etc

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Sorry I am happy to answer any questions you have but I’m a little confused what you’d like me to expand on! The question above is from 2 years ago - are you wondering about that? If you could clarify for me and then post into Shadow Pro 4.0, I’ll get back to you with some help.

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@Shadow_Pro yeah can you please help a little more?

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Hey - I have replied to this thread in Shadow Pro 4.0. Take a look there.

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Thank you!

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