Shadow Pro Q&A 2.0

Shadow_Pro · October 23, 2014, 8:31pm

[quote]Wintermaul wrote:
Hi, im 27 years, BF 12-13%, weight 105kg(231lbs) and is 190cm(6,234feet)tall.
Ive been training for 8 years, while the last years ive been cycling. Tried test, deca, dbol, tbol, winny, tren, mast. Regular off-season for me is HIT-training with test at 800mg and 400mg deca and do that for at least 14 weeks. Maybe now and then throw in dbol or winny for a kick.

I want to compete in the far future, like in a year. How should i lay out the entire year for building mass and still get time enough for a good cutting-diet. Ive never cutting below 9% before so i guess i need alot of time for experimenting with diet.
I was thinking: bulking November-December, lay off January and maybe cut just a little, bulking again February-march and then maybe start cutting in april or may so i can get lean at august or September.
Bulking will consist of around 3,5k up to 4k kcal a day with a cheat meal or two pr week. And high test and deca cycle. 40/40/20 macro 5-6meals a day.

Cutting will go for high-test only or test with tren for more fat-burning, and maybe some T3 at the end. Diet will be 50/30/20 and carbcycling, 1 cheatmeal a week. With between 2,5-3k kcal a day.
What im most interested in is help with dosages on the gear. Ive heard that a BB on diet should never do anything less than 1000mg of AAS a week because it will cause loss of muscle-mass. And only a moron use more gear off-season than on.

Can i go for 1g-1,5g test or more and add some tren in just to make sure im not losing much muscle on diet? i know gear doesnt make up for lacking diet but i want to give it as much time as needed and dont want to loose anything i can keep. [/quote]

First of all, in order to give you more detailed advice I need to see pictures.

The program you laid out is very, very general. It has some decent points but it needs to be a lot more individualized to give you the results you want. Your dosages are moderate and this is a good thing but personally I prefer eq over deca. You might want to alternate between the two in your off season.

It’s really hard to plan a year in advance because you need to make changes based on how your body is progressing. In general, I wouldn’t go over 10-12% bf even in the off season and since it’s your first diet I would take at least 16 weeks to see how your body responds.

There’s no set dosages for everyone. Some guys can use more, some guys can use less and get the same results. It also depends on your training, diet, body type and individual reactions to the drugs etc,

If you can post pictures I’ll be able to give you better information (current photos please)

Shadow_Pro · October 23, 2014, 8:52pm

[quote]french_muscl75 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]french_muscl75 wrote:
Here is a picture I did this morning. Sorry for the bad quality.
I did the math again and it says my bf is 11.5%. What do u think?

If a rebound is a good idea only if I’m at 6%, should I wait 8 to 10 weeks before starting a new cycle?

I liked the idea of doing 2 cycles with totally different compounds. What would you suggest (which products) after the cycle I’m planning to do (test p, tren a, masteron, halo and GH) ?

Now I’m excited about insulin. I did a blood test and it says my blood sugar level is very low in the morning on an empty stomach. Does it matter when u do insulin? I usually have to eat carbs every 2 or 3 hours otherwise I go into hypo.

Many thanks bro.
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First of all, you look good! Between 10-11% I’d say. If you want to do the rebound I think you should diet for the first 6-8 weeks of the cycle you suggested (be in a calorie deficit) and do the GH first thing in the morning on an empty stomach and preworkout, it will help with the fat loss goals.

Do not use insulin in the first 6 weeks while you are dieting, we will introduce it later. Just use Plazma intraworkout. It will make it easier to lose fat and then the effects you experience from the insulin will be much greater when the rebound starts.

After you reach 6% bodyfat (with your condition, it shouldn’t be an issue to reach this spot in 6-8 weeks as long as diet is on point) then slowly taper off the short esters while introducing the long esters, this should take 2 weeks.
For the rebound use:
-EQ
-test-e
-dbol or tbol
-insulin
-GH
-possibly tren-e
*get back to me after the first 6 weeks and we’ll reassess and I can give you dosages and other opinions at that point
Use the insulin ONLY preworkout (Humalog) 5-10min before you start training and then drink Plazma throughout the workout, you will make great gains.

You may post your diet if you like and I can give you my thoughts. (The diet you plan on using to drop bodyfat)
[/quote]

Thanks for saying I look good. Coming from you it means a lot and motivates me to go further.

I wont use insulin in the first 6 weeks but I have no idea how to reach 6% bodyfat.
I guess I will have to cut carbs. Will it make me weak? I feel I will loose muscle if I cut carbs and be always hungry.

Diet now is (I know it can be improved):
7:00am
2 eggs and 5 eggs white (150gr) scrambled with little cheese
80gr Oat 0% milk and 5gr cacao powder

10:30am (cant have a warm meal because of work)
200gr greek yoghurt
6 rice cakes

1:30pm
8 oz chicken breast and 80gr white rice (uncooked) and greens (spinach sprouts or string beans or brocolis)

5pm (cant have a warm meal because of work)
200gr cold tuna (from a can) mixed with egg whites (hard boiled) and 100gr brown rice (cooked)

8:30pm
Postworkout shake : whey glutamine malto

9:30pm
8 oz chicken breast or lean beef and greens (sometimes on workout days I add 120gr white rice or pastas because IÃ¢??m starving!)

I will add casein protein before bed
Will get Plazma intraworkout

Im not planning on doing a contest right now but would like to have your thoughts. Will I look ridiculous if I do one? Mens physique or bodybuilding?

Thanks bro.[/quote]

In order to drop down to 6% bodyfat you’ll have to be in a calorie deficit there’s no other way to go about it. Since your bodyfat is already very low and you’ll already be on a cycle (first cycle you suggested) and GH then I really doubt you’d lose any muscle.

As for the diet…

first 4-6 weeks cut out the dairy (yogurt/milk)
carbs only pre and intraworkout and possibly post

Adding in some light cardio will help speed this process. 20min 3x/week post workout would be fine.

Once you reach this bodyfat you can start reverse dieting and slowly bump your carbs back up and start rebound phase, we’ll discuss this at the time. It shouldn’t take you longer than 6-8weeks and then you can take full advantage of the rebound phase and gain quality muscle.

Let’s talk about competition plans after we see how much muscle you gain in the rebound phase. I would say if you do it correctly you’d be more suitable for a bodybuilding category.

Shadow_Pro · October 23, 2014, 8:58pm

[quote]Chapeloere wrote:
Hey Shadow.

How many times you train a bodypart a week?
Would you please wright down your trainingsplit for a week? I mean just the muscles worked not the excercises and sets.

Thanks in advance[/quote]

My training is constantly changing. Sometimes I’ll train a bodypart once a week and sometimes I might do it 3 times a week.

It depends on my current goal and condition in the specific training phase.

Shadow_Pro · October 23, 2014, 9:01pm

[quote]Cjb6759 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Cjb6759 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Cjb6759 wrote:
Hi Shadow,

Read both threads & picked up plenty of great advice.

I compete at the national level over here in the uk, training 15 years used AAS last 4-5 years so around 6-8 cycles in total both offseason (test 500-750g p/w never gone higher then this & npp 400mg p/w) & pre contest usually (test p 300mg p/w, tren A 300mg p/w, mast 300mg p/w with t3/clen).

I am just about to compete this weekend again at the nationals (heavys), & have gotten down to around 5% bf. I saw in your first thread that you recommended a rebound phase/cycle of 12-16 weeks to rebound & gain strength & size like crazy for someone who weighed around 170lbs post show at 7-8%bf,

I am 6ft, 210lbs contest weight now at around 5% bf…

The Cycle you recommended to this person was,

Sus 750mg week
Eq 400mg week
Tren E 400mg week
Hcg 250iu every 3rd day
D Bol or t-Bol first 6-8 weeks (optional)
Nova 20mg a day

I have never done a rebound cycle & feel I would benefit greatly from a good blast of 12-16 weeks to gain as much quality tissue as possible as I need to be a bigger true heavyweight for 2015.
I would then do my full pct & either cruise or come off completely for 8-12 weeks to recover depending on your recommendations…

I am 39years of age & do not want kids by the way.

As any good bodybuilder knows, immediately post show is an ideal time to gain new size/muscle due to extreme low b/f & insulin sensitivity.

Would you recommend the same or similar cycle/dosages above for myself? As you stated it was moderate dosages, or would you recommend slightly higher dosages due to my size/weight & years training &AAS use & whether you think adding gh/insulin to this cycle would be beneficial to gain even more?

Gh would be 4iu day & insulin 5iu pre workout to begin with alongside my plazma intra.

Would be first time for me using insulin & I have done some research from people using slin as well as reading your protocols.

My nutrition post show this week would be

Carbs 600g
Protein 350g
Fats 50g

Are these numbers sufficient to gain without gaining too much fat?

Cheat meal once a week.

Many thanks for your time. [/quote]

GREAT POST! This gave me all of the background info I need and this is what everyone should take note of. Only other thing I would ask is for a few pics to be posted if possible so it will help me to see where your condition is at.

Rebound cycle: the cycle I suggested would work but I want you to taper between the short esters and the long esters. Stay on the short esters after your show for 2 weeks and add the long esters right away, after the 2 weeks you can drop the short esters and continue with the cycle.

The dosages are fine for you. You could possibly increase the EQ and Tren-E to 600mg/week for the last 6-8weeks but only of you are seeing a plateau in gains… If not, keep it at 400mg. The dosages you are using right now are fairly moderate so even a small increase after the show will give you a big jump.

GH would be great if it is real and you can add it right after the show.

Insulin- don’t add this until about 4 weeks post show. Right after the show your insulin sensitivity will be very high so you want to keep the insulin for when progress starts to slow. After the show your body is going to absorb everything you give it, so make sure you’re eating clean food.

Macros look pretty good to me and you can gradually add carbs after the show. I’m not sure what your carb intake is like right now but I wouldn’t jump to 600 right away, just slowly increase it by 50-100g every week to start with. Post some pictures and I can give you more accurate numbers, it really depends on your body type and how you train.[/quote]

Many thanks for the reply shadow…

I’ll post up pics after the weekend for you to get a more accurate guide of where I’m at,

I’ve been dieting on between 250g & 300g carbs so I can gradually increase these numbers post show until I get to 600g & monitor from there.

Would you recommend 4iu for the gh or go to 6iu post workout for mass?

Thanks again[/quote]

If it’s your first time using GH, start with 4iu and bump it up to 6 after 4 weeks. If you’ve already used it and have experience then you can start with 6 right away. Do it post workout.

If you’re dieting at 250-300g of carbs then start with 300g for the first week post show and then bump it up slowly from there.

Looking forward to seeing your pictures & good luck this weekend.
[/quote]

Hi shadow, I have attached a picture from show day & A day later.

Are the numbers you gave me sufficient for my rebound?

I have started my cycle above that you suggested too, are any changed needed or should I stick with this?

Many thanks
[/quote]

Cycle I gave you should be fine. If you see a plateau, which I doubt you will… The highest I would go is 600 EQ and 600 Tren taking into consideration your past cycle history.

Can you post current photos. Front and back relaxed.

Shadow_Pro · October 23, 2014, 9:02pm

[quote]Lukekk1 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Lukekk1 wrote:
hey again ShadowPro

first of all thanks for your advice, i kinda got control of my lumps with use of nolvadex during the cycle but i have few other questions

i’m into my 16th week of TEST-E 500mg / a week and i’m pretty much stuck, so i though i’ll ask your advice

so basically i did gain amazingly until now, i’m still in shape at around 11% bf with my vascularity still visible - and i’m alrdy like 18lbs heavier. Point is now i’m pretty much stuck, i continue to do what i did before, where i was growing amazingly but now i got stuck. Before i was growing on the same diet at 4400kcal on training days, so what would be logical that i would use more enegy since the lean muss mass i put on. I increased my calories to 5k on trainings days and 4.5k on off days(i’m not bullshitting) and i’m literally not gaining any kinda of weight, i might got a litttle bite fatter but thats it. My trainingssession are the same, i train as intense as before and i dont do anything else right now apart from eating / training / resting, so i’m not burning these calories off at work or whatsoever.

a) I think i’m right to think that i still should be gaining muscle at 500mg / week? I’m “far away” from my genetical limit and people like to say that they stop “gaining” at around week 12, i think it’s completely bshit, no? I might not be doing that well as at the beggining but it shouldn’t completely stop?

b) a little look into my diet, it’s really “clean” if you want to say it, my carbs source is nothing but oats and brown rice all the time, sweet potatos including but reraly. Protein source is various kind of meat, fish and my fat comes mostly from nuts, avacodos.

This would be typical break-down for my day, being 5k kcal on training days: 650g c 300g p 120g f
on trainings free days i go down to : 550g c 300g p 105g f

meal 1: protein / carbs / fat
meal 2: protein / carbs
meal 3: protein / carbs / fat : pre workout meal
intraworkout: bcaa’s, i know you will say get plazma - i can’t right now and it will not be possible for me to get it so i want your advice on how to use what i currently have
postworkout: 100g maltodextrin, 60g protein(whey), bcaas, glutamin
meal4: (postwork out meal) protein / carbs
meal5: (pre bad) protein/fat

meal1(breakfast) & meal4(post workoutmeal) having the most carbs of the day, both of these meals contain 25% of the day carbs

since i have around 120g of fat per day, i usually get it from nuts, cashwers of whatever: for example adding 40g cashews(being 20g fat) added to different meals where i have fat included

b) my training it’s pretty good, i’m changing some things up, increasing intensity and trying different things to try to get different stimulation for the muscles?

Thanks a lot[/quote]

Can you post pictures from before you started the cycle and now? 16 weeks is a long cycle so it might be a good time to back off for now. I don’t think you’re stuck but your body is just adjusting and this is why I think you should back off but I want to see pictures first.

I think your fats are way too high for an off season, 75g could be more suitable but again I would like to see pics first. Since you aren’t using Plazma I think that 100g of maltodextrin is probably not helping your goals much, besides giving you a stomach ache and putting pressure on your system. Your body can’t easily absorb this much maltodextrin and whey protein, it’s not the same as the Plazma and this can be doing more harm than good. There’s a reason I keep mentioning this product and swear by it, you know the answer for intraworkout now you just need to start using it.

Meal breakdown looks okay but I need the pictures. My immediate thought is that you are probably eating wayyyyyy too much food, but I could be wrong.

As for training, you better be training your fucking ass off with this amount of food. Intensity, volume and frequency should be through the roof.

Are you working in a physical job? It’s hard for me to believe you can eat so much and stay lean. Or you might just have a superman metabolism. Pictures will tell me this… So please post.[/quote]

Hey Shadow,

i’ve sent you a pm, hope it’s alright for this 1 time and then we continue to talk in here, you can reply me to with your answer here aswell.

[/quote]

I do not receive PM’s because what I do here is for everyone to benefit from so it’s all public. Post your pictures on the thread if you want me to see. You can blur out your face if you don’t want to be recognized.

Shadow_Pro · October 23, 2014, 9:18pm

[quote]tazzx wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]tazzx wrote:
Hi shadow.
i’ve had a few questions ive been meaning to ask for a while and finally got around to.

Are there any supplements that you personally believe aren’t a waste of time?
I.e whey/amino acids/glutamine/creatine things of that nature

a more personalized question:
i am 2 years into lifting, 230lbs, 6’, and a decent amount of muscle but nothing too special. currently cutting at 2k calories a day. i have aspirations of being at that ifbb level (and yes i know how little of a chance that actually can be with genetics/gear reaction/health etc). however i am just over 21 years old and ive been thinking it’s starting to get pretty late to start cycling as most of the guys i see win olympias were on heaps of goodies before they even turned 20 and already had incredible physiques

that said, assuming there were no health complications and i was to get my blood tests every few months among checking blood pressure daily, would you recommend just cruising after i blast the first 12 or so weeks, or do you just recommend i start with a cycle. (most likely would just be test e/c)

At what year of your life did you hop on for the first time, what was your first cycle, and how long did it take you to stay on for a prolonged period?

Also as for my calves, I for the life of me can’t seem to grow them. I’ve tried high volume and low volume, frequent training and infrequent training. Still trying to think of anything I can do as I wear shorts a ton and as of now it looks like I’ve never worked legs in my life knees down. So what do you think about incline treadmill on leg day or in general for calve growth? Good idea?[/quote]

I believe there are a lot of great supplements that aren’t a waste of time. If you read any of my first thread you’d see the reason I actually started writing here on T-Nation is because I’ve been a long term Biotest user. For all of my years I was sponsored by companies who had garbage supplements and I always continued to order by supplements here. The most important and my all time favorite at the moment is the Plazma, I honestly don’t believe there is anything that can touch the quality of this product. I use Plazma and MAG-10 year round. Micro-pa is a relatively new product here and it’s something you don’t have to cycle off from so I’ve been on it continually for months now and never lost any strength as I usually do during my diets which was suprising.

Most of the time I’m using a shitload of supplements along with the juice I take. I’m going to be going into my pct in the next month and here are some very important supplements I have on hand and ready to go. AlphaMale, Carbolin 19-19, circumin, Flameout. Proper supplementation can help immensely with recovery after a cycle and also keeping your health while on cycle. Flameout and circumin are also a staple for me year round.

After 2 years of lifting I wouldn’t start a cycle, I think it’s too early. You need to max your own potential before going into this or you’ll be shooting yourself in the foot when it comes to results. You need a good solid foundation naturally from a good diet, supplements and training… Only then you should add a cycle. I would give it a few more years before considering it.

I had a good 5-6 years of serious training before I took anything.

Incline walking is great for calves, you could do this for 15-20 min after each workout and don’t hold on the treadmill. High frequency (3x/week at least) and a combination of heavy lifting, high reps and high intensity is the key.
[/quote]
Alright.

Also I’ve just began understanding the importance of nutrition and have only just started (a lot of what you’ve said in past posts finally stuck) carb timing.
For exmaple I’m currently cutting and I’ll have around 200 carbs a day, usually about 120-150 of them will be from before and after my workout.

That seems pretty clear cut, however what about bulking? You obviously won’t be able to eat the majority of your carbs in 1-2 sittings on a bulk so where would you place them at through the day periodically.

Also off days? I know you should be cutting carbs a ton during these, but is there any best time to have them?

Thank you for the feedback. I appreciate it.

[/quote]

If you’re cutting, the majority of your carbs should be intraworkout. So if you are currently eating 200g daily then you can have 120-150 of those from Plazma intraworkout. For an offseason the same idea applies, you should have the majority of carbs intraworkout(whatever you can handle) and the rest of them should be in this order: 1. Preworkout 2. Post workout 3. Morning 4. Before bed

In the off season I’ve had up to 300g intraworkout and that the beauty of Plazma for people who aren’t big eaters like myself. These numbers of carbs are literally impossible to consume using solid foods alone and this is partly why Plazma has been such a big game changer in my career.

gilmarpersonal · October 23, 2014, 11:34pm

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:
Hi Friend

I have only trenbolone acetate…what do you think is better than enantate trenbolone?how many times per weeks should inject it?

everytime i made my old cycle in third week I felt much nausea, I did several tests and liver were always … some people said me it was because of dianabol and others told me it was because of trenbolone …what do you think?

trenbolone
sustanon
dianabol
deca
[/quote]

not is necessary cycle hcg?

Cjb6759 · October 24, 2014, 12:30am

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Cjb6759 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Cjb6759 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Cjb6759 wrote:
Hi Shadow,

Read both threads & picked up plenty of great advice.

I compete at the national level over here in the uk, training 15 years used AAS last 4-5 years so around 6-8 cycles in total both offseason (test 500-750g p/w never gone higher then this & npp 400mg p/w) & pre contest usually (test p 300mg p/w, tren A 300mg p/w, mast 300mg p/w with t3/clen).

I am just about to compete this weekend again at the nationals (heavys), & have gotten down to around 5% bf. I saw in your first thread that you recommended a rebound phase/cycle of 12-16 weeks to rebound & gain strength & size like crazy for someone who weighed around 170lbs post show at 7-8%bf,

I am 6ft, 210lbs contest weight now at around 5% bf…

The Cycle you recommended to this person was,

Sus 750mg week
Eq 400mg week
Tren E 400mg week
Hcg 250iu every 3rd day
D Bol or t-Bol first 6-8 weeks (optional)
Nova 20mg a day

I have never done a rebound cycle & feel I would benefit greatly from a good blast of 12-16 weeks to gain as much quality tissue as possible as I need to be a bigger true heavyweight for 2015.
I would then do my full pct & either cruise or come off completely for 8-12 weeks to recover depending on your recommendations…

I am 39years of age & do not want kids by the way.

As any good bodybuilder knows, immediately post show is an ideal time to gain new size/muscle due to extreme low b/f & insulin sensitivity.

Would you recommend the same or similar cycle/dosages above for myself? As you stated it was moderate dosages, or would you recommend slightly higher dosages due to my size/weight & years training &AAS use & whether you think adding gh/insulin to this cycle would be beneficial to gain even more?

Gh would be 4iu day & insulin 5iu pre workout to begin with alongside my plazma intra.

Would be first time for me using insulin & I have done some research from people using slin as well as reading your protocols.

My nutrition post show this week would be

Carbs 600g
Protein 350g
Fats 50g

Are these numbers sufficient to gain without gaining too much fat?

Cheat meal once a week.

Many thanks for your time. [/quote]

GREAT POST! This gave me all of the background info I need and this is what everyone should take note of. Only other thing I would ask is for a few pics to be posted if possible so it will help me to see where your condition is at.

Rebound cycle: the cycle I suggested would work but I want you to taper between the short esters and the long esters. Stay on the short esters after your show for 2 weeks and add the long esters right away, after the 2 weeks you can drop the short esters and continue with the cycle.

The dosages are fine for you. You could possibly increase the EQ and Tren-E to 600mg/week for the last 6-8weeks but only of you are seeing a plateau in gains… If not, keep it at 400mg. The dosages you are using right now are fairly moderate so even a small increase after the show will give you a big jump.

GH would be great if it is real and you can add it right after the show.

Insulin- don’t add this until about 4 weeks post show. Right after the show your insulin sensitivity will be very high so you want to keep the insulin for when progress starts to slow. After the show your body is going to absorb everything you give it, so make sure you’re eating clean food.

Macros look pretty good to me and you can gradually add carbs after the show. I’m not sure what your carb intake is like right now but I wouldn’t jump to 600 right away, just slowly increase it by 50-100g every week to start with. Post some pictures and I can give you more accurate numbers, it really depends on your body type and how you train.[/quote]

Many thanks for the reply shadow…

I’ll post up pics after the weekend for you to get a more accurate guide of where I’m at,

I’ve been dieting on between 250g & 300g carbs so I can gradually increase these numbers post show until I get to 600g & monitor from there.

Would you recommend 4iu for the gh or go to 6iu post workout for mass?

Thanks again[/quote]

If it’s your first time using GH, start with 4iu and bump it up to 6 after 4 weeks. If you’ve already used it and have experience then you can start with 6 right away. Do it post workout.

If you’re dieting at 250-300g of carbs then start with 300g for the first week post show and then bump it up slowly from there.

Looking forward to seeing your pictures & good luck this weekend.
[/quote]

Hi shadow, I have attached a picture from show day & A day later.

Are the numbers you gave me sufficient for my rebound?

I have started my cycle above that you suggested too, are any changed needed or should I stick with this?

Many thanks
[/quote]

Cycle I gave you should be fine. If you see a plateau, which I doubt you will… The highest I would go is 600 EQ and 600 Tren taking into consideration your past cycle history.

Can you post current photos. Front and back relaxed.
[/quote]

Front & rear relaxed pics as requested…

Cjb6759 · October 24, 2014, 8:00am

[quote]Cjb6759 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Cjb6759 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Cjb6759 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Cjb6759 wrote:
Hi Shadow,

Read both threads & picked up plenty of great advice.

I compete at the national level over here in the uk, training 15 years used AAS last 4-5 years so around 6-8 cycles in total both offseason (test 500-750g p/w never gone higher then this & npp 400mg p/w) & pre contest usually (test p 300mg p/w, tren A 300mg p/w, mast 300mg p/w with t3/clen).

I am just about to compete this weekend again at the nationals (heavys), & have gotten down to around 5% bf. I saw in your first thread that you recommended a rebound phase/cycle of 12-16 weeks to rebound & gain strength & size like crazy for someone who weighed around 170lbs post show at 7-8%bf,

I am 6ft, 210lbs contest weight now at around 5% bf…

The Cycle you recommended to this person was,

Sus 750mg week
Eq 400mg week
Tren E 400mg week
Hcg 250iu every 3rd day
D Bol or t-Bol first 6-8 weeks (optional)
Nova 20mg a day

I have never done a rebound cycle & feel I would benefit greatly from a good blast of 12-16 weeks to gain as much quality tissue as possible as I need to be a bigger true heavyweight for 2015.
I would then do my full pct & either cruise or come off completely for 8-12 weeks to recover depending on your recommendations…

I am 39years of age & do not want kids by the way.

As any good bodybuilder knows, immediately post show is an ideal time to gain new size/muscle due to extreme low b/f & insulin sensitivity.

Would you recommend the same or similar cycle/dosages above for myself? As you stated it was moderate dosages, or would you recommend slightly higher dosages due to my size/weight & years training &AAS use & whether you think adding gh/insulin to this cycle would be beneficial to gain even more?

Gh would be 4iu day & insulin 5iu pre workout to begin with alongside my plazma intra.

Would be first time for me using insulin & I have done some research from people using slin as well as reading your protocols.

My nutrition post show this week would be

Carbs 600g
Protein 350g
Fats 50g

Are these numbers sufficient to gain without gaining too much fat?

Cheat meal once a week.

Many thanks for your time. [/quote]

GREAT POST! This gave me all of the background info I need and this is what everyone should take note of. Only other thing I would ask is for a few pics to be posted if possible so it will help me to see where your condition is at.

Rebound cycle: the cycle I suggested would work but I want you to taper between the short esters and the long esters. Stay on the short esters after your show for 2 weeks and add the long esters right away, after the 2 weeks you can drop the short esters and continue with the cycle.

The dosages are fine for you. You could possibly increase the EQ and Tren-E to 600mg/week for the last 6-8weeks but only of you are seeing a plateau in gains… If not, keep it at 400mg. The dosages you are using right now are fairly moderate so even a small increase after the show will give you a big jump.

GH would be great if it is real and you can add it right after the show.

Insulin- don’t add this until about 4 weeks post show. Right after the show your insulin sensitivity will be very high so you want to keep the insulin for when progress starts to slow. After the show your body is going to absorb everything you give it, so make sure you’re eating clean food.

Macros look pretty good to me and you can gradually add carbs after the show. I’m not sure what your carb intake is like right now but I wouldn’t jump to 600 right away, just slowly increase it by 50-100g every week to start with. Post some pictures and I can give you more accurate numbers, it really depends on your body type and how you train.[/quote]

Many thanks for the reply shadow…

I’ll post up pics after the weekend for you to get a more accurate guide of where I’m at,

I’ve been dieting on between 250g & 300g carbs so I can gradually increase these numbers post show until I get to 600g & monitor from there.

Would you recommend 4iu for the gh or go to 6iu post workout for mass?

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If it’s your first time using GH, start with 4iu and bump it up to 6 after 4 weeks. If you’ve already used it and have experience then you can start with 6 right away. Do it post workout.

If you’re dieting at 250-300g of carbs then start with 300g for the first week post show and then bump it up slowly from there.

Looking forward to seeing your pictures & good luck this weekend.
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Hi shadow, I have attached a picture from show day & A day later.

Are the numbers you gave me sufficient for my rebound?

I have started my cycle above that you suggested too, are any changed needed or should I stick with this?

Many thanks
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Cycle I gave you should be fine. If you see a plateau, which I doubt you will… The highest I would go is 600 EQ and 600 Tren taking into consideration your past cycle history.

Can you post current photos. Front and back relaxed.
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Front & rear relaxed pics as requested…
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french_muscl75 · October 24, 2014, 9:08pm