Shadow Pro Q&A 2.0

Pharma
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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:
hello gilmar
I have this photo I took last week on the course I did with you[/quote]
[/quote]

hi ricky
Thank you think these photos will serve[/quote]

The biggest issue I see with you is the super high dose of test and all other oils. As I said before, I think tren and deca together won’t give you as many benefits as they will give you more negative side effects (loss of libido and progesterone sides). If you are keen on using these together I would use caber in the cycle and depending how sensitive you are this might work and might not.

Something like this would be more appropriate

Test-e 1200mg/week
Tren-e 600-800mg/week
Dbol 50mg/day(slowly increase to 80-100 over 6 weeks)
Nolvadex 20mg ED
HCG 250iu 3x/week
Insulin pre workout (10min before Plazma) 10iu
*slowly build up from here if you can deal with higher amounts
GH- as much as you can afford
*since this is an off season cycle I would do it post workout and before bed.

Keep short acting drugs for a cutting cycle. More IS NOT better.

Run this cycle for 12 weeks and take 6 off for a pct.

[/quote]

i’m very sensitive to gyne, you think only 20mg nolvadex is good??
how should be my pct?[/quote]

i used 10 iu insulin post workout…you recommend pre workout,why?
what do you think if i take 10iu pre and 10 iu post?
thanks
[/quote]

Insulin preworkout combined with Plazma is your best option to be in an anabolic state and encourage growth. This will help your body absorb the Plazma even better and will encourage faster recovery and growth during the workout and after.

10iu pre and post might work, but I would suggest doing 20preworkout following by 5 servings of Plazma and make sure your sessions are LONG because you will be able to push without getting tired if you do this. [/quote]

my training style is Dorian Yates…

1043

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]The_Traylor wrote:
Questions about Dosage:

I recently had Sust, tren and anadrol fall into my lap and I havent done a cycle since college and unfortunately in college I had an extremely experienced body builder as a roommate who carried me through everything. I have read over and over about dosages for test prop, enth, cyps etc but I have a question on sust and tren dosage, dosages of tamox and letrozole and some feedback on my planned cycle.
First, Ill throw a quick bio out for the talking heads:
6’3 and 245lbs
18% body fat
Bench-375x2 Squat-505x2 Deadlift-545x2
Current lifting Split:
Monday-Back Density and Bi’s
Tuesday-Chest and Tris
Wednesday-Legs and Olympic lifts (ie cleans, snatches, second round of deadlifts)
Thursday-Shoulders, back width specific and traps
Friday-Arms, abs
Saturday-Legs and anything I feel needs to be hit again.

Possible cycle:
W 1-4 Anadrol 25mg 2xD
W 1-10 Sust (?)mg (Dosage help please)
W 4-8 Tren (?)mg (Dosage help please)
W 10-12 HCG 5000iu E5D x2, then 2500iu E5D x2
W 10-11 Clomid 50mg 3x/D, Tamox and Letrozole (Dosage help please)
W 11-12 Clomid 50mg 2x/D, Tamox and Letrozole (Dosage help please)

Cycle goals to help rationalize my possibly wrong plan; I can blow up like a cartoon character and since I am 6’3 already I just want to put lean mass on and improve my strength. I have a short Tren cycle in there because I am afraid of its supressive nature and figure a shorter one paired with sust would be a good combo. [/quote]

Try it like this…
Week 1-3 Anadrol @ 25mg/day
Week 4-6 Anadrol @ 50mg/day
*take 90min pre workout with food
Week 1-10 Sustanon @ 500-700mg/week depending on previous experience
*if it’s the first cycle in a while you can probably get away with 500
Week 1-5 tren @75mg EOD
Week 6-10 tren @ 100mg EOD
HCG 250iu 2x/week through the whole cycle
Nolvadex 20mg everyday

Pct:
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/40/20/20
HCG 500iu e3d for the 5 weeks

If you don’t want to blow up I would reconsider the Anadrol because it will make you hold a lot of water. Maybe substitute it with either tbol or winstrol.
[/quote]

Thank you so much Shadow, I appreciate the help! I am 26 and havent cycled since 21, so I am gonna see if I can get away with 500mg a week! In regards to the Tren, you have it listed throughout the cycle, with a boost during the last few weeks; for my own knowledge, what is the science behind that? when it comes to lifting and getting advice from trusted sources I historically blind trust so much that I realize sometimes I lack the inherent understanding behind things. Also, I notice you listed Nolvadex, I was told to try tamox and letrozole from a friend, are those two not as successful as Nolvadex in your opinion? Thanks!

1044

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Wayacrucis wrote:
Hi shadow. A couple of questions regarding GH and insulin sensitivity.

  1. Will GH use induce some level of insulin resistance even if no carbs are ingested 1 hour pre and post GH injection?

  2. I am aware that that carbs should be avoided right after a GH shot, but does this apply predominantly to simple carbs? Do you guys think it’s a problem if I pin 4IU of Growth before bed and after inject my before bed shake right after? The shake has 2 scoops of casein protein, 1 tbsp peanut butter and 1 cup skim milk. No carbs in either aside from the 13g of sugar coming from the milk. But those sugars have a very low GI 30-40 I believe and are very slow digesting.

  3. Since a having a ton of simple carbs post GH injection is not good, I am assuming it would be a bad idea to follow a pre work out homolog protocol followed by a GH shot post work and then pound the carbs? Wouldn’t this be very bad for insulin resistance?
    [/quote]

  4. Very minimal if any, it’s nothing to be concerned about.

  5. I don’t see any issues with doing this because the amount of carbs are negligible. I don’t know if I’d use milk though, maybe almond milk or water would be a better option.

  6. Having carbs with GH is not a big problem. If the goal is to lose fat then it will interfere with the positive fat burning effects that GH has but if you’re trying to grow then you do want to have carbs with the GH because it will increase igf levels and create an anabolic environment for growth. It’s not wrong to have carbs with GH but it’s just not ideal if you are using it for fat burning purposes or dieting.[/quote]

Thanks for the response. But the Insulin Resistance induced by GH is enhanced if one is to take GH and Slin at the same or if an individual pins GH and immediately takes in a bunch of simple carbs, is that right?

So if I am trying to keep IR as low as possible, is my best option to pin my slin pre work out and my GH maybe right before bed? (This is for the off-season, so mass is the main goal, with minimum IR). Or would it be wiser to pin my slin pre work out, and my GH post work out and pound the sugars? I Know this is probably better for mass…but I am gonna be taking an intra and post work out shake with a bunch of carbs…so it’s probably not the best for keeping IR to a minimum.

1045

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]NZlifter16 wrote:
Hi Shadow Pro, Just a couple of questions in regards to PCT

  1. How necessary is it to run HCG during a cycle and what benefits does it provide? in NZ it is hard to get a hold of and can be extremely overpriced when you can get it.

  2. Would you always run Nolva during a cycle? or does it depend how aggressive it is?

  3. If running Nolva and HCG during a cycle would you have to do PCT or could you just cruise at a low dose of test until ready to blast again? and then re-introduce the nolva and HCG

Thanks in advance[/quote]

  1. It will help prevent the body from shutting down. You don’t HAVE to take it during your cycle but it’s a precaution against issues that you could experience later, I’ve always used it and highly recommend it especially if you are planning on going off at some point and want to have a family.

  2. In most cycles I would run nolva at 10mg/day but it really depends on your cycle, more specifically what compounds you are running.

  3. If you’re not planning on going off you can just cruise and probably get away with it. If you do plan to go off or have kids I would still do a proper pct after the cycle even if your using them during the cycle.

Thank you for that shadow,

one more questions in regards to a mass gain cycle, what do you think of

DBOL week 1-4 40mg
Test P Week 1-12 75mg EOD
Test E Week 1-12 250mg 2x a week
Deca Week 1-12 200mg 1x a week (mainly to help joints)
250iu hcg 2x a week, week 1-12
20mg Nolva EOD
PCT
Nolva 40/40/20/20
2x bottles of test booster (Alpha Male?)

My cycle history is

10 weeks
test e 250mg a week
test p 100mg a week
dbol 20mg week 1-4
nolva 20mg a if needed

16 weeks

16-12
sus 1ml a week
deca 1ml a week
mast p 1ml 2x a week
12 - 6
test e 1ml 2 x a week
test cyp 1ml 2 x a week
6-1
test p 3ml a week
tren a 3 ml a week
3-1
stanozol 1ml a week
clen (powder form) 5g a day
t3 100mg tab every day

These are the cycles given to me by my coach an ifbb pro here in NZ and as I can understand from what I am reading here they definetly are not the best?

I look forward to your answer

1046

[quote]doom44 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]doom44 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]doom44 wrote:
Hi Shadow, what’s your advise on post contest rebound cycle? It’s after pre contest cycle straight jump into post contest cycle rebound?
The day after the show? [/quote]

I’m all about post rebound cycles and I think this is the best time to gain muscle if you do things correctly.
I made a post a little while back with more detail and examples of how to do it.

If you want something specific for yourself then please give me all of your info so I can give you a better answer.[/quote]

I’m not planing to do it now. i’m plan to do it my next year competition.

here my next year prep cycle:
1-8 weeks - Test prop 75mg eod
1-8 weeks - Tren A 75mg eod
1-8 weeks - Mast P 75mg eod
1-8 weeks - HCG 205iu e3d
1-8 weeks - Novaldex 10-20mg ed
2-8 weeks - caber 0.25mg e3d

and here my stats now:
height : 5’7"
weight : 168.5 lbs
body fat : 9-10%

years of training - 4.5 years

Cycle history : 3
1.

  • Test prop 150mg eod - 8 weeks
  • dbol 30mg ed - 4 weeks
  • HCG 250iu e3d - 8 weeks
  • arimidex 0.25mg eod
  1. pre contest cycle
  • test prop 75-100mg eod - 8 weeks
  • tren a 75mg eod - 8 weeks
  • HCG 250iu e3d - 8 weeks
  • test prop 150mg eod - 8 weeks
  • dbol 30mg ed - 6 weeks
  • HCG 250iu - 8 weeks

All PCT done the same
Clomid - 75/50/50/50
novaldex - 40/20/20/20

and everytime when i’m done my show i’ll straight go into PCT. so now i want your advise how should i do post contest rebound.

Thanks for your time Shadow.[/quote]

Your competition cycle for next year looks good. Only use caber if you need it and at these dosages I think you’ll be safe but definitely keep it on hand just incase.

All of the previous cycles and pct look great as well, nice to see someone is doing their research before diving in.

As for post contest rebound… Stay on short esters after the show and start the long esters then you can taper off the short esters once the long kicks in. For example: a day after the show do you first shot of test-e (600-750mg) EQ (400-600mg) and possibly an oral like dbol(30-50mg/day for 4 weeks) continue the short esters for 2 weeks and taper them down at this time. Stay on HCG and anti estrogens for the whole rebound phase.
Once you are finished do your normal pct.

Rebound can be between 8-10weeks long.[/quote]

Shodow pro, thanks for taking your time to reply my questions. all the advises that you gave me worth thousand gold.
[/quote]

Happy to help and let me know how everything goes. I’m here if you have anymore questions.

1047

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:
hello gilmar
I have this photo I took last week on the course I did with you[/quote]
[/quote]

hi ricky
Thank you think these photos will serve[/quote]

The biggest issue I see with you is the super high dose of test and all other oils. As I said before, I think tren and deca together won’t give you as many benefits as they will give you more negative side effects (loss of libido and progesterone sides). If you are keen on using these together I would use caber in the cycle and depending how sensitive you are this might work and might not.

Something like this would be more appropriate

Test-e 1200mg/week
Tren-e 600-800mg/week
Dbol 50mg/day(slowly increase to 80-100 over 6 weeks)
Nolvadex 20mg ED
HCG 250iu 3x/week
Insulin pre workout (10min before Plazma) 10iu
*slowly build up from here if you can deal with higher amounts
GH- as much as you can afford
*since this is an off season cycle I would do it post workout and before bed.

Keep short acting drugs for a cutting cycle. More IS NOT better.

Run this cycle for 12 weeks and take 6 off for a pct.

[/quote]

i’m very sensitive to gyne, you think only 20mg nolvadex is good??
how should be my pct?[/quote]

i used 10 iu insulin post workout…you recommend pre workout,why?
what do you think if i take 10iu pre and 10 iu post?
thanks
[/quote]

Insulin preworkout combined with Plazma is your best option to be in an anabolic state and encourage growth. This will help your body absorb the Plazma even better and will encourage faster recovery and growth during the workout and after.

10iu pre and post might work, but I would suggest doing 20preworkout following by 5 servings of Plazma and make sure your sessions are LONG because you will be able to push without getting tired if you do this. [/quote]

my training style is Dorian Yates…
[/quote]

If this is the case I would suggest you increase your training volume and make your workouts longer. With the amount of drugs you’re taking and the amount of carbs and insulin you’re using you can definitely use more frequency and volume. One all out set won’t cut it for someone like you, you’re not Dorian Yates :slight_smile:

1048

[quote]The_Traylor wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]The_Traylor wrote:
Questions about Dosage:

I recently had Sust, tren and anadrol fall into my lap and I havent done a cycle since college and unfortunately in college I had an extremely experienced body builder as a roommate who carried me through everything. I have read over and over about dosages for test prop, enth, cyps etc but I have a question on sust and tren dosage, dosages of tamox and letrozole and some feedback on my planned cycle.
First, Ill throw a quick bio out for the talking heads:
6’3 and 245lbs
18% body fat
Bench-375x2 Squat-505x2 Deadlift-545x2
Current lifting Split:
Monday-Back Density and Bi’s
Tuesday-Chest and Tris
Wednesday-Legs and Olympic lifts (ie cleans, snatches, second round of deadlifts)
Thursday-Shoulders, back width specific and traps
Friday-Arms, abs
Saturday-Legs and anything I feel needs to be hit again.

Possible cycle:
W 1-4 Anadrol 25mg 2xD
W 1-10 Sust (?)mg (Dosage help please)
W 4-8 Tren (?)mg (Dosage help please)
W 10-12 HCG 5000iu E5D x2, then 2500iu E5D x2
W 10-11 Clomid 50mg 3x/D, Tamox and Letrozole (Dosage help please)
W 11-12 Clomid 50mg 2x/D, Tamox and Letrozole (Dosage help please)

Cycle goals to help rationalize my possibly wrong plan; I can blow up like a cartoon character and since I am 6’3 already I just want to put lean mass on and improve my strength. I have a short Tren cycle in there because I am afraid of its supressive nature and figure a shorter one paired with sust would be a good combo. [/quote]

Try it like this…
Week 1-3 Anadrol @ 25mg/day
Week 4-6 Anadrol @ 50mg/day
*take 90min pre workout with food
Week 1-10 Sustanon @ 500-700mg/week depending on previous experience
*if it’s the first cycle in a while you can probably get away with 500
Week 1-5 tren @75mg EOD
Week 6-10 tren @ 100mg EOD
HCG 250iu 2x/week through the whole cycle
Nolvadex 20mg everyday

Pct:
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/40/20/20
HCG 500iu e3d for the 5 weeks

If you don’t want to blow up I would reconsider the Anadrol because it will make you hold a lot of water. Maybe substitute it with either tbol or winstrol.
[/quote]

Thank you so much Shadow, I appreciate the help! I am 26 and havent cycled since 21, so I am gonna see if I can get away with 500mg a week! In regards to the Tren, you have it listed throughout the cycle, with a boost during the last few weeks; for my own knowledge, what is the science behind that? when it comes to lifting and getting advice from trusted sources I historically blind trust so much that I realize sometimes I lack the inherent understanding behind things. Also, I notice you listed Nolvadex, I was told to try tamox and letrozole from a friend, are those two not as successful as Nolvadex in your opinion? Thanks![/quote]

Nolvadex and tamoxifen are the same thing… I wouldn’t suggest letrozole unless you have very severe gyno issues then you can use it as a last resort. Just try the nolvadex with the dosages I suggested and you shouldn’t experience any issues.

As for the reason of increasing the tren… Even the high dosage I gave you is still a moderate amount and you want your body to keep responding to the drug and at such a low dose to start your body will adjust faster than if you had started with a higher dosage. The increase is just in order to keep progress at a maximum for the remainder of the cycle.

1049

[quote]Wayacrucis wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Wayacrucis wrote:
Hi shadow. A couple of questions regarding GH and insulin sensitivity.

  1. Will GH use induce some level of insulin resistance even if no carbs are ingested 1 hour pre and post GH injection?

  2. I am aware that that carbs should be avoided right after a GH shot, but does this apply predominantly to simple carbs? Do you guys think it’s a problem if I pin 4IU of Growth before bed and after inject my before bed shake right after? The shake has 2 scoops of casein protein, 1 tbsp peanut butter and 1 cup skim milk. No carbs in either aside from the 13g of sugar coming from the milk. But those sugars have a very low GI 30-40 I believe and are very slow digesting.

  3. Since a having a ton of simple carbs post GH injection is not good, I am assuming it would be a bad idea to follow a pre work out homolog protocol followed by a GH shot post work and then pound the carbs? Wouldn’t this be very bad for insulin resistance?
    [/quote]

  4. Very minimal if any, it’s nothing to be concerned about.

  5. I don’t see any issues with doing this because the amount of carbs are negligible. I don’t know if I’d use milk though, maybe almond milk or water would be a better option.

  6. Having carbs with GH is not a big problem. If the goal is to lose fat then it will interfere with the positive fat burning effects that GH has but if you’re trying to grow then you do want to have carbs with the GH because it will increase igf levels and create an anabolic environment for growth. It’s not wrong to have carbs with GH but it’s just not ideal if you are using it for fat burning purposes or dieting.[/quote]

Thanks for the response. But the Insulin Resistance induced by GH is enhanced if one is to take GH and Slin at the same or if an individual pins GH and immediately takes in a bunch of simple carbs, is that right?

So if I am trying to keep IR as low as possible, is my best option to pin my slin pre work out and my GH maybe right before bed? (This is for the off-season, so mass is the main goal, with minimum IR). Or would it be wiser to pin my slin pre work out, and my GH post work out and pound the sugars? I Know this is probably better for mass…but I am gonna be taking an intra and post work out shake with a bunch of carbs…so it’s probably not the best for keeping IR to a minimum.
[/quote]

As for your first question, it’s not completely accurate because it depends on the dosage of both the GH and insulin and the amount of time you’ve been taking them for and the amount of carbs you’re eating with them and daily. GH alone won’t cause insulin resistance.

Your suggestion of doing your insulin preworkout is good, have your Plazma intraworkout and then 10min post workout you can do the GH and then 30-40min later you can have a shake to a regular meal. This would work well for your goals.

1050

[quote]NZlifter16 wrote:
Hi Shadow Pro, Just a couple of questions in regards to PCT

  1. How necessary is it to run HCG during a cycle and what benefits does it provide? in NZ it is hard to get a hold of and can be extremely overpriced when you can get it.

  2. Would you always run Nolva during a cycle? or does it depend how aggressive it is?

  3. If running Nolva and HCG during a cycle would you have to do PCT or could you just cruise at a low dose of test until ready to blast again? and then re-introduce the nolva and HCG

Thanks in advance

  1. It will help prevent the body from shutting down. You don’t HAVE to take it during your cycle but it’s a precaution against issues that you could experience later, I’ve always used it and highly recommend it especially if you are planning on going off at some point and want to have a family.

  2. In most cycles I would run nolva at 10mg/day but it really depends on your cycle, more specifically what compounds you are running.

  3. If you’re not planning on going off you can just cruise and probably get away with it. If you do plan to go off or have kids I would still do a proper pct after the cycle even if your using them during the cycle.

Thank you for that shadow,

one more questions in regards to a mass gain cycle, what do you think of

DBOL week 1-4 40mg
Test P Week 1-12 75mg EOD
Test E Week 1-12 250mg 2x a week
Deca Week 1-12 200mg 1x a week (mainly to help joints)
250iu hcg 2x a week, week 1-12
20mg Nolva EOD
PCT
Nolva 40/40/20/20
2x bottles of test booster (Alpha Male?)

My cycle history is

10 weeks
test e 250mg a week
test p 100mg a week
dbol 20mg week 1-4
nolva 20mg a if needed

16 weeks

16-12
sus 1ml a week
deca 1ml a week
mast p 1ml 2x a week
12 - 6
test e 1ml 2 x a week
test cyp 1ml 2 x a week
6-1
test p 3ml a week
tren a 3 ml a week
3-1
stanozol 1ml a week
clen (powder form) 5g a day
t3 100mg tab every day

These are the cycles given to me by my coach an ifbb pro here in NZ and as I can understand from what I am reading here they definetly are not the best?

I look forward to your answer[/quote]

Your cycle suggestion is decent but here’s a few things I would change:
-no need for test-p, just do week 1-12 with test-e @ 750mg/week…
-you can increase deca to 400mg/week and this will help with the mass gains (I would prefer EQ, but it’s up to you… Eq would be 400-600mg/week)
-you can run dbol for 6 weeks no problem

Pct looks okay but you might want to add some clomid in there. 4 weeks @ 50mg/day will do the work here.

I’m trying to understand why you have test-p and test-e in the same cycle when mass is your main goal. I can see it for cutting purposes or if you’re in transition from one to the other but not run together as a base. Did he give you a reason?

T3 and Clen doses are very high

1051

hello
i eat 270gr carbs, 430 protein, 130gr fat…off season what do you think?
how do you periodize your training??
should i use hcg all year??

1052

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Nozza wrote:
Hey Shadow,

I have read both topics and have learned so much.

I have not seen this question come in yet.

I am a 22 year old male, 180 pounds 5 foot 9 who does powerlifting. I have never done any drugs in my entire life and do not drink or smoke. I have been suffering with zero sex drive and it is impossible for me to get or maintain the few erections I do get. I got my bloods done thinking it was Low Test issue and this is my first result. Low test and very high estrodial.

Oestradiol 191 (less than 150) Yes that is not a typo mine is 191…
Progesterone - 3 (less than 3)
Testosteone 13 (10-33)
Free Testosteone 35 (60-130) Not even on the low side here…
Sex Hormone Binding Globulin - 17 (13-71)

Now I have my thread here if you want more details

After over a month of trying to fix myself here are my latest blood test results

LH - 11iu/l (3-20)
FSH - 10iu/l (3-20)
Oestradiol - 97 pmol/l (150 or less) Although you said 80 to be perfect
TT - 24 nmol (10 - 33) this is 690 ng/dl in american :slight_smile:
Free test - 704 pmol/l (150 - 750)
SHBG - 17 nmol/l (13-71)

As you can see they are back to “normal” yet I still have absolutely zero sex drive and I am playing pool with a noodle so to speak. I am at the end of my rope here since it is messing up my girlfriends life as well as mine. I have had all the tests done as you can see in my thread. (I know you want us to post in full detail here but I dont want to copy my thread and if anybody wants to read my journey they can follow the link)

What should I do? I just want to feel like a man again and get my erections back. Thank you for your help and all the info you freely provide to us :slight_smile:

Here is the link to my thread again incase anybody does want more info

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_trt/22_yo_with_low_test_and_high_estradiol?id=6105213&pageNo=1[/quote]

Honestly, I wish I could help you with this but it’s out of my area of expertise.

I know a lot of guys who have greatly benefited from long term daily cialis use. If all else fails you could be a good candidate for HRT/TRT therapy, something mild like 250mg/week of testosterone can do wonders for sex drive.

[/quote]

Cheers for your reply Shadow.

1053

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:
hello
i eat 270gr carbs, 430 protein, 130gr fat…off season what do you think?
how do you periodize your training??
should i use hcg all year??[/quote]

I don’t know you personally and as I mentioned several times that diets are very individual so it’s impossible for me to give you specific numbers.

In general and after seeing your pictures and knowing your cycle background… I would say to lower the fat significantly and increase the carbs. Protein is very high and I think this should also be lowered.

You said you are using 6 scoops of Plazma each day and that alone is 240g of carbs and I saw more carbs in the diet as well, are you sure you did the calculation correctly?

My training changes constantly depending on my training phase… Some are more related to strength and others to hypertrophy. Diet is changing in correlation with my training.

Yes, I would use HCG year round.

1054

[quote]Nozza wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Nozza wrote:
Hey Shadow,

I have read both topics and have learned so much.

I have not seen this question come in yet.

I am a 22 year old male, 180 pounds 5 foot 9 who does powerlifting. I have never done any drugs in my entire life and do not drink or smoke. I have been suffering with zero sex drive and it is impossible for me to get or maintain the few erections I do get. I got my bloods done thinking it was Low Test issue and this is my first result. Low test and very high estrodial.

Oestradiol 191 (less than 150) Yes that is not a typo mine is 191…
Progesterone - 3 (less than 3)
Testosteone 13 (10-33)
Free Testosteone 35 (60-130) Not even on the low side here…
Sex Hormone Binding Globulin - 17 (13-71)

Now I have my thread here if you want more details

After over a month of trying to fix myself here are my latest blood test results

LH - 11iu/l (3-20)
FSH - 10iu/l (3-20)
Oestradiol - 97 pmol/l (150 or less) Although you said 80 to be perfect
TT - 24 nmol (10 - 33) this is 690 ng/dl in american :slight_smile:
Free test - 704 pmol/l (150 - 750)
SHBG - 17 nmol/l (13-71)

As you can see they are back to “normal” yet I still have absolutely zero sex drive and I am playing pool with a noodle so to speak. I am at the end of my rope here since it is messing up my girlfriends life as well as mine. I have had all the tests done as you can see in my thread. (I know you want us to post in full detail here but I dont want to copy my thread and if anybody wants to read my journey they can follow the link)

What should I do? I just want to feel like a man again and get my erections back. Thank you for your help and all the info you freely provide to us :slight_smile:

Here is the link to my thread again incase anybody does want more info

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_trt/22_yo_with_low_test_and_high_estradiol?id=6105213&pageNo=1[/quote]

Honestly, I wish I could help you with this but it’s out of my area of expertise.

I know a lot of guys who have greatly benefited from long term daily cialis use. If all else fails you could be a good candidate for HRT/TRT therapy, something mild like 250mg/week of testosterone can do wonders for sex drive.

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Cheers for your reply Shadow.

[/quote]

Sorry I wasn’t able to help you more but I hope everything goes well in your research.

1055

Hello Mr. SP!

I am still on page 30. in first topic and I learned a lot just from reading few pages. Good informations!

Now, I have question for you, and I am sure you can help me!

I am 27years old, training for 10years cca and more seriously (with AAS help) last 4 years. I’ve had few good cycles under my belt and right now I am using T400 (100mg prop, 150mg cyp, 150mg E), Deca (200mg) and after 12weeks, I am switching deca with TriTren (50mg tren A, 50mg tren E, 50mg hextren).

Now I need 2 advices.

1.) About pinning. 1ml of Test blend hurts like a motherfucker. If I shoot 400mg test in one shot (legs) I can’t walk for 2 days. If I shoot in glutes, usually there is no pain, but you can feel “lump” under skin. What do you suggest? 0,5 cc (200mg) eod? I had in mind something like 0,5cc test (50mg P, 75mg C, 75E) and 0,5cc deca (100mg) EOD.

My problem while I am on gear was always pinning. In the end of cycles, I am running spots to inject. 95% of shots are in glutes and legs. If I am ultrasore I do in delts. Do you have any advice to make my pinning easier?

If you know and remember, there was guy called Undercover pro on blackstone labs forum, who was similar to you and he suggested me to start shooting into my arms, which are my lagging body parts. But I don’t have balls to stick needle into my bi/tri. Have you ever used insulin needles for steroids?

2.) After long time I am getting good stuff and after few bad deca cycles I decided to try it for one last time. I am 4weeks in and I can feel first side effect. Recently I went thru break up with my gf and I am fucking emotional like never before. I have new gf, which is hotter, better and more suited for me. Overall a lot better. But I can’t get my mind from her. I listen fucking song and I get wet eyes. I’ve never been like that before. I am not afraid to admit that I am pussy, but I know that I have never been like that before. Only thing, that changed is Nandrolone decanoate (400mg EW). Is it possible that my estrogen is high, due good stuff? I’ve tried deca at 500mg and had no effects at all. But I think that stuff was bad. I know, that some shit doesn’t make sense and I am bitching on forum, but I have feeling that deca has something to do with it.

If you think my estrogen is high, what do you suggest? I have novaldex, hcg, proviron and clomid on hand. If I need something else, I need to wait at least 2 weeks to get it.

Thank you for everything you are doing here!

1056

Hi shadow.
i’ve had a few questions ive been meaning to ask for a while and finally got around to.

Are there any supplements that you personally believe aren’t a waste of time?
I.e whey/amino acids/glutamine/creatine things of that nature

a more personalized question:
i am 2 years into lifting, 230lbs, 6’, and a decent amount of muscle but nothing too special. currently cutting at 2k calories a day. i have aspirations of being at that ifbb level (and yes i know how little of a chance that actually can be with genetics/gear reaction/health etc). however i am just over 21 years old and ive been thinking it’s starting to get pretty late to start cycling as most of the guys i see win olympias were on heaps of goodies before they even turned 20 and already had incredible physiques

that said, assuming there were no health complications and i was to get my blood tests every few months among checking blood pressure daily, would you recommend just cruising after i blast the first 12 or so weeks, or do you just recommend i start with a cycle. (most likely would just be test e/c)

At what year of your life did you hop on for the first time, what was your first cycle, and how long did it take you to stay on for a prolonged period?

Also as for my calves, I for the life of me can’t seem to grow them. I’ve tried high volume and low volume, frequent training and infrequent training. Still trying to think of anything I can do as I wear shorts a ton and as of now it looks like I’ve never worked legs in my life knees down. So what do you think about incline treadmill on leg day or in general for calve growth? Good idea?

1057

Hey Shadow

I learned a lot with this thread. Thanks for answering all these questions.

Iâ??m 39yo
1m70
79kg (175)
Body Fat 11%

Been working out since 22

Last 2 cycles were:

  • 12 weeks : Text prop 75mg eod, eq 600mg/week, winstrol 50mg eod, proviron
  • off for 10 weeks
  • 8 weeks : test e 500mg/week, tren a 75 eod, winstrol 50mg eod, proviron
    pct after each cycle with clomid, tamoxifen and HCG

My goal is to get bigger but dont want to hold too much water. Not planning to do a contest. Just want to put lean mass and gain strenght.

Here is the cycle I plan to do (when Iâ??m at 10 weeks off last cycle):

1-8 weeks
Test prop 75mg eod
Tren A 75mg eod
Masteron P 75mg eod
HCG 250iu e3d
Novaldex 20mg ed + Proviron 25mg
HGH 4 to 6 iu post workout and before bed

  1. Iâ??d like to try insulin pre workout (5iu 15 min pre workout). Never di dit before. Will make sure to have simple carbs during workout. What can I expect from it ?

  2. Should I add an oral like anavar or halotestin?

  3. I like the post contest rebound you are mentionning before (test e + eq + dbol for 10 weeks). Can I do this after the 8 weeks cycle Iâ??m planning to do? (even if I dont do a contest). Is it not too much ?

Many thanks for your time.

1058

hello shadow

your protocol insulin/gh is the same Milos Sarcev?

1059

[quote]Sinum wrote:
Hello Mr. SP!

I am still on page 30. in first topic and I learned a lot just from reading few pages. Good informations!

Now, I have question for you, and I am sure you can help me!

I am 27years old, training for 10years cca and more seriously (with AAS help) last 4 years. I’ve had few good cycles under my belt and right now I am using T400 (100mg prop, 150mg cyp, 150mg E), Deca (200mg) and after 12weeks, I am switching deca with TriTren (50mg tren A, 50mg tren E, 50mg hextren).

Now I need 2 advices.

1.) About pinning. 1ml of Test blend hurts like a motherfucker. If I shoot 400mg test in one shot (legs) I can’t walk for 2 days. If I shoot in glutes, usually there is no pain, but you can feel “lump” under skin. What do you suggest? 0,5 cc (200mg) eod? I had in mind something like 0,5cc test (50mg P, 75mg C, 75E) and 0,5cc deca (100mg) EOD.

My problem while I am on gear was always pinning. In the end of cycles, I am running spots to inject. 95% of shots are in glutes and legs. If I am ultrasore I do in delts. Do you have any advice to make my pinning easier?

If you know and remember, there was guy called Undercover pro on blackstone labs forum, who was similar to you and he suggested me to start shooting into my arms, which are my lagging body parts. But I don’t have balls to stick needle into my bi/tri. Have you ever used insulin needles for steroids?

2.) After long time I am getting good stuff and after few bad deca cycles I decided to try it for one last time. I am 4weeks in and I can feel first side effect. Recently I went thru break up with my gf and I am fucking emotional like never before. I have new gf, which is hotter, better and more suited for me. Overall a lot better. But I can’t get my mind from her. I listen fucking song and I get wet eyes. I’ve never been like that before. I am not afraid to admit that I am pussy, but I know that I have never been like that before. Only thing, that changed is Nandrolone decanoate (400mg EW). Is it possible that my estrogen is high, due good stuff? I’ve tried deca at 500mg and had no effects at all. But I think that stuff was bad. I know, that some shit doesn’t make sense and I am bitching on forum, but I have feeling that deca has something to do with it.

If you think my estrogen is high, what do you suggest? I have novaldex, hcg, proviron and clomid on hand. If I need something else, I need to wait at least 2 weeks to get it.

Thank you for everything you are doing here![/quote]

  1. Your suggestion sounds good. For the lumps you can put ointment on it like arnica gel for example and massage the lumps to help move the oil around. Also, try shooting in rear delts or lats as well to give you more options.

I’m not a big fan of shooting my arms but some guys like to do .5ml in biceps or triceps.

I’ve never used insulin needles for regular injection but you can give it a shot… Use a long insulin needle to make sure it’s going in the muscle and you’ll want to warm up the oil and backload the needle to make it more successful.

  1. I can’t tell you if the deca is what’s causing this for sure but if it is then it’s a progesterone issue not estrogen. If this is the case I would use caber, you can give it a shot at .5mg E3D and see how it goes.
    Without any connection to the deca i would add 10mg of nolvadex everyday to the cycle to keep estrogen in check.

It’s not common for deca to cause an emotional rollercoaster but it’s possible if you’re very sensitive to progesterone related issues and the caber will help you with this.

Or you’re just a big baby? :wink: You’ve got a new hot girlfriend so it’s nothing to get wet eyes over, lol.

1060

[quote]tazzx wrote:
Hi shadow.
i’ve had a few questions ive been meaning to ask for a while and finally got around to.

Are there any supplements that you personally believe aren’t a waste of time?
I.e whey/amino acids/glutamine/creatine things of that nature

a more personalized question:
i am 2 years into lifting, 230lbs, 6’, and a decent amount of muscle but nothing too special. currently cutting at 2k calories a day. i have aspirations of being at that ifbb level (and yes i know how little of a chance that actually can be with genetics/gear reaction/health etc). however i am just over 21 years old and ive been thinking it’s starting to get pretty late to start cycling as most of the guys i see win olympias were on heaps of goodies before they even turned 20 and already had incredible physiques

that said, assuming there were no health complications and i was to get my blood tests every few months among checking blood pressure daily, would you recommend just cruising after i blast the first 12 or so weeks, or do you just recommend i start with a cycle. (most likely would just be test e/c)

At what year of your life did you hop on for the first time, what was your first cycle, and how long did it take you to stay on for a prolonged period?

Also as for my calves, I for the life of me can’t seem to grow them. I’ve tried high volume and low volume, frequent training and infrequent training. Still trying to think of anything I can do as I wear shorts a ton and as of now it looks like I’ve never worked legs in my life knees down. So what do you think about incline treadmill on leg day or in general for calve growth? Good idea?[/quote]

I believe there are a lot of great supplements that aren’t a waste of time. If you read any of my first thread you’d see the reason I actually started writing here on T-Nation is because I’ve been a long term Biotest user. For all of my years I was sponsored by companies who had garbage supplements and I always continued to order by supplements here. The most important and my all time favorite at the moment is the Plazma, I honestly don’t believe there is anything that can touch the quality of this product. I use Plazma and MAG-10 year round. Micro-pa is a relatively new product here and it’s something you don’t have to cycle off from so I’ve been on it continually for months now and never lost any strength as I usually do during my diets which was suprising.

Most of the time I’m using a shitload of supplements along with the juice I take. I’m going to be going into my pct in the next month and here are some very important supplements I have on hand and ready to go. AlphaMale, Carbolin 19-19, circumin, Flameout. Proper supplementation can help immensely with recovery after a cycle and also keeping your health while on cycle. Flameout and circumin are also a staple for me year round.

After 2 years of lifting I wouldn’t start a cycle, I think it’s too early. You need to max your own potential before going into this or you’ll be shooting yourself in the foot when it comes to results. You need a good solid foundation naturally from a good diet, supplements and training… Only then you should add a cycle. I would give it a few more years before considering it.

I had a good 5-6 years of serious training before I took anything.

Incline walking is great for calves, you could do this for 15-20 min after each workout and don’t hold on the treadmill. High frequency (3x/week at least) and a combination of heavy lifting, high reps and high intensity is the key.

1061

[quote]french_muscl75 wrote:
Hey Shadow

I learned a lot with this thread. Thanks for answering all these questions.

Iâ??m 39yo
1m70
79kg (175)
Body Fat 11%

Been working out since 22

Last 2 cycles were:

  • 12 weeks : Text prop 75mg eod, eq 600mg/week, winstrol 50mg eod, proviron
  • off for 10 weeks
  • 8 weeks : test e 500mg/week, tren a 75 eod, winstrol 50mg eod, proviron
    pct after each cycle with clomid, tamoxifen and HCG

My goal is to get bigger but dont want to hold too much water. Not planning to do a contest. Just want to put lean mass and gain strenght.

Here is the cycle I plan to do (when Iâ??m at 10 weeks off last cycle):

1-8 weeks
Test prop 75mg eod
Tren A 75mg eod
Masteron P 75mg eod
HCG 250iu e3d
Novaldex 20mg ed + Proviron 25mg
HGH 4 to 6 iu post workout and before bed

  1. Iâ??d like to try insulin pre workout (5iu 15 min pre workout). Never di dit before. Will make sure to have simple carbs during workout. What can I expect from it ?

  2. Should I add an oral like anavar or halotestin?

  3. I like the post contest rebound you are mentionning before (test e + eq + dbol for 10 weeks). Can I do this after the 8 weeks cycle Iâ??m planning to do? (even if I dont do a contest). Is it not too much ?

Many thanks for your time.
[/quote]

Cycle looks good.

  1. You will have nice gains and great pumps from 5iu. Use it with Plazma and use 80-100g of carbs just to be on the safe side because it’s the first time you’re using it and you can adjust carbs after you see how you react. A general rule is about 10g for 1iu but I would suggest going 50g just to be safe. The combo with the Plazma will give you the best size gains of your life.

  2. You can add an oral if you want for the first 6 weeks. Anavar is a lot more mellow and will make you a bit harder. Halo is more harsh on the liver but it will give you amazing strength gains but it will make most people very aggressive, if you decide to try this only do it for 4 weeks at 20mg for the first 4 weeks.

3.post contest rebound will work great but only if you’re doing it after a diet and have a very low bodyfat when starting (6% or less) or you won’t get many of the benefits that the rebound phase will give you. Since you are doing the suggested cycle for lean mass gains, meaning you’ll be in a calorie surplus I don’t think it’s appropriate after this cycle unless you’re dieting to under 6%

Can you post a photo so I can give you a better answer about the rebound idea. You mention that you’re at 11% but I would like to see this for myself.