Shadow Pro Q&A 2.0

Pharma
1022

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
Great post, I appreciate all of the detail and I can tell you’ve done your research!

Your cycle looks great and here is my suggestion since strength is your goal…
-don’t add deca, it will kill your dick and won’t do shit for strength gains
-tren starting dose is great and if you are handling it will you can increase it to 75 everyday mid cycle

  • if liver values allow it then I would definitely add an oral, best option being oral t-bol, d-bol (if you don’t mind water retention) or winstrol (if you don’t have joint issues) Winstrol is great for strength and people underestimate it’s effect on strength.
    (Wintrol @ 50mg everyday for first 6 weeks OR tbol/dbol at 40-80mg everyday tapering up slowly for 6-8 weeks)
    -if you choose winstrol you don’t need Proviron but if you choose one of the other two then you can keep the Proviron in.
    -if you can use an oral and want to use an injectable then EQ would be my choice, it will help you with strength endurance and size.
    -masteron is a great drug but it won’t help with strength gains it’s more for physique purposes of hardening up so I wouldn’t add it here

Supplements: Plazma intraworkout will be your #1 choice, it will help with strength. Circumin, Rhodiola and dandelion are great so keep it in and add NAC for liver support.[/quote]

Yes, I have absolutely done my research. I’m an engineer by trade so over-analyzation comes naturally to me. I am also lucky to be surrounded by some very experienced people.

  • Noted on the deca and tren. You confirmed my plan there

  • My liver values came back normal yesterday so I picked up 200 25mg tabs of dbol. I was thinking of running dbol at 50mg/day 1 dose in the morning and 1 dose preworkout. Sound good?

  • I will save the EQ for a later bulking cycle at 800-1g per your earlier recommendation. I will save the Masteron for a future cut.

Final question, I know WIlliam Llewellyn recommends taking orals on an empty stomach. Do you follow this as well? I’m probably overthinking this and with as much as we eat its tough to find a time when you have an “empty” stomach too!

1023

Questions about Dosage:

I recently had Sust, tren and anadrol fall into my lap and I havent done a cycle since college and unfortunately in college I had an extremely experienced body builder as a roommate who carried me through everything. I have read over and over about dosages for test prop, enth, cyps etc but I have a question on sust and tren dosage, dosages of tamox and letrozole and some feedback on my planned cycle.
First, Ill throw a quick bio out for the talking heads:
6’3 and 245lbs
18% body fat
Bench-375x2 Squat-505x2 Deadlift-545x2
Current lifting Split:
Monday-Back Density and Bi’s
Tuesday-Chest and Tris
Wednesday-Legs and Olympic lifts (ie cleans, snatches, second round of deadlifts)
Thursday-Shoulders, back width specific and traps
Friday-Arms, abs
Saturday-Legs and anything I feel needs to be hit again.

Possible cycle:
W 1-4 Anadrol 25mg 2xD
W 1-10 Sust (?)mg (Dosage help please)
W 4-8 Tren (?)mg (Dosage help please)
W 10-12 HCG 5000iu E5D x2, then 2500iu E5D x2
W 10-11 Clomid 50mg 3x/D, Tamox and Letrozole (Dosage help please)
W 11-12 Clomid 50mg 2x/D, Tamox and Letrozole (Dosage help please)

Cycle goals to help rationalize my possibly wrong plan; I can blow up like a cartoon character and since I am 6’3 already I just want to put lean mass on and improve my strength. I have a short Tren cycle in there because I am afraid of its supressive nature and figure a shorter one paired with sust would be a good combo.

1024

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:
hello gilmar
I have this photo I took last week on the course I did with you[/quote]
[/quote]

hi ricky
Thank you think these photos will serve[/quote]

The biggest issue I see with you is the super high dose of test and all other oils. As I said before, I think tren and deca together won’t give you as many benefits as they will give you more negative side effects (loss of libido and progesterone sides). If you are keen on using these together I would use caber in the cycle and depending how sensitive you are this might work and might not.

Something like this would be more appropriate

Test-e 1200mg/week
Tren-e 600-800mg/week
Dbol 50mg/day(slowly increase to 80-100 over 6 weeks)
Nolvadex 20mg ED
HCG 250iu 3x/week
Insulin pre workout (10min before Plazma) 10iu
*slowly build up from here if you can deal with higher amounts
GH- as much as you can afford
*since this is an off season cycle I would do it post workout and before bed.

Keep short acting drugs for a cutting cycle. More IS NOT better.

Run this cycle for 12 weeks and take 6 off for a pct.

1025

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:
Hello
i will do this cycle 6 month
sustanon 1000mg
deca 600mg
trenbolone 300mg
anavar 50mg/day

what should i take to combat side effects?[/quote]

Please post a picture along with your current diet and training if you want a serious answer.

I’m not sure if you are joking but this doesn’t seem like a serious question. If you’ve read any of my thread you would know this mixture of compounds is something I would never recommend.

A 24 week cycle???
[/quote]

i train has 10 years i will compete 2x per year here is my diet

monday pecs(5 exercises)
tuesday back (6 exercises)
wednesday delts/traps (5 and 2 exercises)
thursday legs and calves (6 and 3 exercises)
friday arms ( 6 exercises)

all exercises 5x 15,12,10,8,6

i will use with my cycle 250 iu hcg 2x week more 1mg arimidex ed and nolvadex 20mg ed

diet

breakfeast
300gr yougurt
100gr granola
100gr vp2

meal 2
100gr vp2
100gr oats

meal 3
200gr rice cooked
300gr chicken
salad

meal 4 (2hours pre workout)
200gr sweet potato
1 banana
200gr meat

meal 5 post workout
100gr vp2
100gr dextrose
5gr bcaa
5gr glutamine

meal 6

300gr meat
salada
olive oil
[/quote]

Diet is all over the place, food choices are not ideal and I don’t even know where to start. No intraworkout nutrition, too much dairy, bad post workout meal, fat is too high and wrong nutritional timing. Cycle is way too long and wrong choices of compounds and dosages.

From what I see you don’t have enough knowledge or experience to be thinking about doing a cycle right now. I think we might have a language barrier here so if you can post a picture it will help me a lot to make more suggestions.[/quote]
[/quote]

No matter how you turn it 24 weeks is way too long for a cycle. I already gave you my diet recommendations.

I wouldn’t advise deca and tren in the same cycle but if you are going to do it anyways then you’ll want to use caber with it to prevent progesterone side effects.

The biggest issue I see here is your diet and you need to fix this first before anything. The suggestions I made will give you a start and the intraworkout is very important. Hiring a knowledgable coach would be a good idea! I would help you more but there’s way too much to fix, you need a whole new diet.
[/quote]

hello shadow

what do you think about my new cycle 6 weeks on/3 off

first 3 weeks
sustanon 1000mg
deca 600mg
trenbolone 300mg
anadrol 100mg day
hcg 250iu 2x week
arimidex 1mg day

last 3 weeks
testosterone propionate 600mg
trenbolone 300mg
winstrol 100mg day
hcg 250 iu 2x week
arimidex 1mg day

3 weeks off
clomid 50mg

i don’t have other drug to change with deca…what problem tren with deca?

thanks[/quote]

Again, dosages are too high for someone at your level. The cycle looks okay besides the deca and the tren as I mentioned above to your friend, read explanation given there.

Pick either tren or deca and run it for 8-12 weeks, not 6.

Here’s what I suggest in terms of dosages
Sustanon 750mg/week
Tren-e 400-500mg/week
Anadrol 50mg/day (6weeks)
HCG 250iu 2 x/week
Adex 1mg EOD

No point in changing to short esters just keep these same drugs for the whole 8-12weeks. You can change the Anadrol to winstrol after 6 weeks if you want, but it’s not ideal. I would give the body a 2 week minimum break between switching orals. Wintstrol @50mg/day instead of 100

Most important thing to remember… MORE IS NOT BETTER!

1026

@rickbarbosi

I think you need to look into the issues of your diet first of all, this is going to make a huge difference for you.

Also… In your pct add nolvadex and HCG in addition to the clomid

1027

[quote]NZlifter16 wrote:
Hi Shadow Pro, Just a couple of questions in regards to PCT

  1. How necessary is it to run HCG during a cycle and what benefits does it provide? in NZ it is hard to get a hold of and can be extremely overpriced when you can get it.

  2. Would you always run Nolva during a cycle? or does it depend how aggressive it is?

  3. If running Nolva and HCG during a cycle would you have to do PCT or could you just cruise at a low dose of test until ready to blast again? and then re-introduce the nolva and HCG

Thanks in advance[/quote]

  1. It will help prevent the body from shutting down. You don’t HAVE to take it during your cycle but it’s a precaution against issues that you could experience later, I’ve always used it and highly recommend it especially if you are planning on going off at some point and want to have a family.

  2. In most cycles I would run nolva at 10mg/day but it really depends on your cycle, more specifically what compounds you are running.

  3. If you’re not planning on going off you can just cruise and probably get away with it. If you do plan to go off or have kids I would still do a proper pct after the cycle even if your using them during the cycle.

1028

[quote]doom44 wrote:
Hi Shadow, what’s your advise on post contest rebound cycle? It’s after pre contest cycle straight jump into post contest cycle rebound?
The day after the show? [/quote]

I’m all about post rebound cycles and I think this is the best time to gain muscle if you do things correctly.
I made a post a little while back with more detail and examples of how to do it.

If you want something specific for yourself then please give me all of your info so I can give you a better answer.

1029

[quote]Cjb6759 wrote:

[quote]doom44 wrote:
Hi Shadow, what’s your advise on post contest rebound cycle? It’s after pre contest cycle straight jump into post contest cycle rebound?
The day after the show? [/quote]

This has been answered a few times already by shadow, go back & look through the thread before asking the same questions… Plus you have to provide more details, not just ask about a post contest rebound cycle.
He will need stats, cycle history, body fat, macros & pictures to give a detailed answer.

Hope this helps
[/quote]

Thank you!

1030

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:
hello gilmar
I have this photo I took last week on the course I did with you[/quote]
[/quote]

hi ricky
Thank you think these photos will serve[/quote]

The biggest issue I see with you is the super high dose of test and all other oils. As I said before, I think tren and deca together won’t give you as many benefits as they will give you more negative side effects (loss of libido and progesterone sides). If you are keen on using these together I would use caber in the cycle and depending how sensitive you are this might work and might not.

Something like this would be more appropriate

Test-e 1200mg/week
Tren-e 600-800mg/week
Dbol 50mg/day(slowly increase to 80-100 over 6 weeks)
Nolvadex 20mg ED
HCG 250iu 3x/week
Insulin pre workout (10min before Plazma) 10iu
*slowly build up from here if you can deal with higher amounts
GH- as much as you can afford
*since this is an off season cycle I would do it post workout and before bed.

Keep short acting drugs for a cutting cycle. More IS NOT better.

Run this cycle for 12 weeks and take 6 off for a pct.

[/quote]

i’m very sensitive to gyne, you think only 20mg nolvadex is good??
how should be my pct?

1031

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]doom44 wrote:
Hi Shadow, what’s your advise on post contest rebound cycle? It’s after pre contest cycle straight jump into post contest cycle rebound?
The day after the show? [/quote]

I’m all about post rebound cycles and I think this is the best time to gain muscle if you do things correctly.
I made a post a little while back with more detail and examples of how to do it.

If you want something specific for yourself then please give me all of your info so I can give you a better answer.[/quote]

I’m not planing to do it now. i’m plan to do it my next year competition.

here my next year prep cycle:
1-8 weeks - Test prop 75mg eod
1-8 weeks - Tren A 75mg eod
1-8 weeks - Mast P 75mg eod
1-8 weeks - HCG 205iu e3d
1-8 weeks - Novaldex 10-20mg ed
2-8 weeks - caber 0.25mg e3d

and here my stats now:
height : 5’7"
weight : 168.5 lbs
body fat : 9-10%

years of training - 4.5 years

Cycle history : 3
1.

  • Test prop 150mg eod - 8 weeks
  • dbol 30mg ed - 4 weeks
  • HCG 250iu e3d - 8 weeks
  • arimidex 0.25mg eod
  1. pre contest cycle
  • test prop 75-100mg eod - 8 weeks
  • tren a 75mg eod - 8 weeks
  • HCG 250iu e3d - 8 weeks
  • test prop 150mg eod - 8 weeks
  • dbol 30mg ed - 6 weeks
  • HCG 250iu - 8 weeks

All PCT done the same
Clomid - 75/50/50/50
novaldex - 40/20/20/20

and everytime when i’m done my show i’ll straight go into PCT. so now i want your advise how should i do post contest rebound.

Thanks for your time Shadow.

1032

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:
hello gilmar
I have this photo I took last week on the course I did with you[/quote]
[/quote]

hi ricky
Thank you think these photos will serve[/quote]

The biggest issue I see with you is the super high dose of test and all other oils. As I said before, I think tren and deca together won’t give you as many benefits as they will give you more negative side effects (loss of libido and progesterone sides). If you are keen on using these together I would use caber in the cycle and depending how sensitive you are this might work and might not.

Something like this would be more appropriate

Test-e 1200mg/week
Tren-e 600-800mg/week
Dbol 50mg/day(slowly increase to 80-100 over 6 weeks)
Nolvadex 20mg ED
HCG 250iu 3x/week
Insulin pre workout (10min before Plazma) 10iu
*slowly build up from here if you can deal with higher amounts
GH- as much as you can afford
*since this is an off season cycle I would do it post workout and before bed.

Keep short acting drugs for a cutting cycle. More IS NOT better.

Run this cycle for 12 weeks and take 6 off for a pct.

[/quote]

i’m very sensitive to gyne, you think only 20mg nolvadex is good??
how should be my pct?[/quote]

Seriously? He has beated PCT to death in both topics. Read back thought them and you will be able to put together a PCT by yourself and post it here for Shadow to greenlight.

1033

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:
hello gilmar
I have this photo I took last week on the course I did with you[/quote]
[/quote]

hi ricky
Thank you think these photos will serve[/quote]

The biggest issue I see with you is the super high dose of test and all other oils. As I said before, I think tren and deca together won’t give you as many benefits as they will give you more negative side effects (loss of libido and progesterone sides). If you are keen on using these together I would use caber in the cycle and depending how sensitive you are this might work and might not.

Something like this would be more appropriate

Test-e 1200mg/week
Tren-e 600-800mg/week
Dbol 50mg/day(slowly increase to 80-100 over 6 weeks)
Nolvadex 20mg ED
HCG 250iu 3x/week
Insulin pre workout (10min before Plazma) 10iu
*slowly build up from here if you can deal with higher amounts
GH- as much as you can afford
*since this is an off season cycle I would do it post workout and before bed.

Keep short acting drugs for a cutting cycle. More IS NOT better.

Run this cycle for 12 weeks and take 6 off for a pct.

[/quote]

i’m very sensitive to gyne, you think only 20mg nolvadex is good??
how should be my pct?[/quote]

i used 10 iu insulin post workout…you recommend pre workout,why?
what do you think if i take 10iu pre and 10 iu post?
thanks

1034

Hi shadow. A couple of questions regarding GH and insulin sensitivity.

  1. Will GH use induce some level of insulin resistance even if no carbs are ingested 1 hour pre and post GH injection?

  2. I am aware that that carbs should be avoided right after a GH shot, but does this apply predominantly to simple carbs? Do you guys think it’s a problem if I pin 4IU of Growth before bed and after inject my before bed shake right after? The shake has 2 scoops of casein protein, 1 tbsp peanut butter and 1 cup skim milk. No carbs in either aside from the 13g of sugar coming from the milk. But those sugars have a very low GI 30-40 I believe and are very slow digesting.

  3. Since a having a ton of simple carbs post GH injection is not good, I am assuming it would be a bad idea to follow a pre work out homolog protocol followed by a GH shot post work and then pound the carbs? Wouldn’t this be very bad for insulin resistance?

1035

[quote]PATSS wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
Great post, I appreciate all of the detail and I can tell you’ve done your research!

Your cycle looks great and here is my suggestion since strength is your goal…
-don’t add deca, it will kill your dick and won’t do shit for strength gains
-tren starting dose is great and if you are handling it will you can increase it to 75 everyday mid cycle

  • if liver values allow it then I would definitely add an oral, best option being oral t-bol, d-bol (if you don’t mind water retention) or winstrol (if you don’t have joint issues) Winstrol is great for strength and people underestimate it’s effect on strength.
    (Wintrol @ 50mg everyday for first 6 weeks OR tbol/dbol at 40-80mg everyday tapering up slowly for 6-8 weeks)
    -if you choose winstrol you don’t need Proviron but if you choose one of the other two then you can keep the Proviron in.
    -if you can use an oral and want to use an injectable then EQ would be my choice, it will help you with strength endurance and size.
    -masteron is a great drug but it won’t help with strength gains it’s more for physique purposes of hardening up so I wouldn’t add it here

Supplements: Plazma intraworkout will be your #1 choice, it will help with strength. Circumin, Rhodiola and dandelion are great so keep it in and add NAC for liver support.[/quote]

Yes, I have absolutely done my research. I’m an engineer by trade so over-analyzation comes naturally to me. I am also lucky to be surrounded by some very experienced people.

  • Noted on the deca and tren. You confirmed my plan there

  • My liver values came back normal yesterday so I picked up 200 25mg tabs of dbol. I was thinking of running dbol at 50mg/day 1 dose in the morning and 1 dose preworkout. Sound good?

  • I will save the EQ for a later bulking cycle at 800-1g per your earlier recommendation. I will save the Masteron for a future cut.

Final question, I know WIlliam Llewellyn recommends taking orals on an empty stomach. Do you follow this as well? I’m probably overthinking this and with as much as we eat its tough to find a time when you have an “empty” stomach too![/quote]

For the dbol you can go anywhere between 40-80mg. First dose preworkout and second dose before bed…it will help with recovery if you do it like this and encourage more growth even while you’re sleeping.

I don’t see any point of taking the orals on an empty stomach, I believe it’s easier on your internal organs if you take it with food. I always take it with food.

1036

[quote]The_Traylor wrote:
Questions about Dosage:

I recently had Sust, tren and anadrol fall into my lap and I havent done a cycle since college and unfortunately in college I had an extremely experienced body builder as a roommate who carried me through everything. I have read over and over about dosages for test prop, enth, cyps etc but I have a question on sust and tren dosage, dosages of tamox and letrozole and some feedback on my planned cycle.
First, Ill throw a quick bio out for the talking heads:
6’3 and 245lbs
18% body fat
Bench-375x2 Squat-505x2 Deadlift-545x2
Current lifting Split:
Monday-Back Density and Bi’s
Tuesday-Chest and Tris
Wednesday-Legs and Olympic lifts (ie cleans, snatches, second round of deadlifts)
Thursday-Shoulders, back width specific and traps
Friday-Arms, abs
Saturday-Legs and anything I feel needs to be hit again.

Possible cycle:
W 1-4 Anadrol 25mg 2xD
W 1-10 Sust (?)mg (Dosage help please)
W 4-8 Tren (?)mg (Dosage help please)
W 10-12 HCG 5000iu E5D x2, then 2500iu E5D x2
W 10-11 Clomid 50mg 3x/D, Tamox and Letrozole (Dosage help please)
W 11-12 Clomid 50mg 2x/D, Tamox and Letrozole (Dosage help please)

Cycle goals to help rationalize my possibly wrong plan; I can blow up like a cartoon character and since I am 6’3 already I just want to put lean mass on and improve my strength. I have a short Tren cycle in there because I am afraid of its supressive nature and figure a shorter one paired with sust would be a good combo. [/quote]

Try it like this…
Week 1-3 Anadrol @ 25mg/day
Week 4-6 Anadrol @ 50mg/day
*take 90min pre workout with food
Week 1-10 Sustanon @ 500-700mg/week depending on previous experience
*if it’s the first cycle in a while you can probably get away with 500
Week 1-5 tren @75mg EOD
Week 6-10 tren @ 100mg EOD
HCG 250iu 2x/week through the whole cycle
Nolvadex 20mg everyday

Pct:
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/40/20/20
HCG 500iu e3d for the 5 weeks

If you don’t want to blow up I would reconsider the Anadrol because it will make you hold a lot of water. Maybe substitute it with either tbol or winstrol.

1037

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:
hello gilmar
I have this photo I took last week on the course I did with you[/quote]
[/quote]

hi ricky
Thank you think these photos will serve[/quote]

The biggest issue I see with you is the super high dose of test and all other oils. As I said before, I think tren and deca together won’t give you as many benefits as they will give you more negative side effects (loss of libido and progesterone sides). If you are keen on using these together I would use caber in the cycle and depending how sensitive you are this might work and might not.

Something like this would be more appropriate

Test-e 1200mg/week
Tren-e 600-800mg/week
Dbol 50mg/day(slowly increase to 80-100 over 6 weeks)
Nolvadex 20mg ED
HCG 250iu 3x/week
Insulin pre workout (10min before Plazma) 10iu
*slowly build up from here if you can deal with higher amounts
GH- as much as you can afford
*since this is an off season cycle I would do it post workout and before bed.

Keep short acting drugs for a cutting cycle. More IS NOT better.

Run this cycle for 12 weeks and take 6 off for a pct.

[/quote]

i’m very sensitive to gyne, you think only 20mg nolvadex is good??
how should be my pct?[/quote]

The reason I think you’re so sensitive is because of the crazy dosages you’ve been doing. 20mg should be more than enough but if you need to you can bump it up to 40mg if symptoms are getting worse. I’m under the assumption that you have progesterone related gyno based on your previous cycle(the use of tren and deca together) and you didn’t use caber during the cycle.

If you keep your dosages at reasonable levels then you’ll notice a lot less shitty side effects.

1038

[quote]doom44 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]doom44 wrote:
Hi Shadow, what’s your advise on post contest rebound cycle? It’s after pre contest cycle straight jump into post contest cycle rebound?
The day after the show? [/quote]

I’m all about post rebound cycles and I think this is the best time to gain muscle if you do things correctly.
I made a post a little while back with more detail and examples of how to do it.

If you want something specific for yourself then please give me all of your info so I can give you a better answer.[/quote]

I’m not planing to do it now. i’m plan to do it my next year competition.

here my next year prep cycle:
1-8 weeks - Test prop 75mg eod
1-8 weeks - Tren A 75mg eod
1-8 weeks - Mast P 75mg eod
1-8 weeks - HCG 205iu e3d
1-8 weeks - Novaldex 10-20mg ed
2-8 weeks - caber 0.25mg e3d

and here my stats now:
height : 5’7"
weight : 168.5 lbs
body fat : 9-10%

years of training - 4.5 years

Cycle history : 3
1.

  • Test prop 150mg eod - 8 weeks
  • dbol 30mg ed - 4 weeks
  • HCG 250iu e3d - 8 weeks
  • arimidex 0.25mg eod
  1. pre contest cycle
  • test prop 75-100mg eod - 8 weeks
  • tren a 75mg eod - 8 weeks
  • HCG 250iu e3d - 8 weeks
  • test prop 150mg eod - 8 weeks
  • dbol 30mg ed - 6 weeks
  • HCG 250iu - 8 weeks

All PCT done the same
Clomid - 75/50/50/50
novaldex - 40/20/20/20

and everytime when i’m done my show i’ll straight go into PCT. so now i want your advise how should i do post contest rebound.

Thanks for your time Shadow.[/quote]

Your competition cycle for next year looks good. Only use caber if you need it and at these dosages I think you’ll be safe but definitely keep it on hand just incase.

All of the previous cycles and pct look great as well, nice to see someone is doing their research before diving in.

As for post contest rebound… Stay on short esters after the show and start the long esters then you can taper off the short esters once the long kicks in. For example: a day after the show do you first shot of test-e (600-750mg) EQ (400-600mg) and possibly an oral like dbol(30-50mg/day for 4 weeks) continue the short esters for 2 weeks and taper them down at this time. Stay on HCG and anti estrogens for the whole rebound phase.
Once you are finished do your normal pct.

Rebound can be between 8-10weeks long.

1039

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:
hello gilmar
I have this photo I took last week on the course I did with you[/quote]
[/quote]

hi ricky
Thank you think these photos will serve[/quote]

The biggest issue I see with you is the super high dose of test and all other oils. As I said before, I think tren and deca together won’t give you as many benefits as they will give you more negative side effects (loss of libido and progesterone sides). If you are keen on using these together I would use caber in the cycle and depending how sensitive you are this might work and might not.

Something like this would be more appropriate

Test-e 1200mg/week
Tren-e 600-800mg/week
Dbol 50mg/day(slowly increase to 80-100 over 6 weeks)
Nolvadex 20mg ED
HCG 250iu 3x/week
Insulin pre workout (10min before Plazma) 10iu
*slowly build up from here if you can deal with higher amounts
GH- as much as you can afford
*since this is an off season cycle I would do it post workout and before bed.

Keep short acting drugs for a cutting cycle. More IS NOT better.

Run this cycle for 12 weeks and take 6 off for a pct.

[/quote]

i’m very sensitive to gyne, you think only 20mg nolvadex is good??
how should be my pct?[/quote]

i used 10 iu insulin post workout…you recommend pre workout,why?
what do you think if i take 10iu pre and 10 iu post?
thanks
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Insulin preworkout combined with Plazma is your best option to be in an anabolic state and encourage growth. This will help your body absorb the Plazma even better and will encourage faster recovery and growth during the workout and after.

10iu pre and post might work, but I would suggest doing 20preworkout following by 5 servings of Plazma and make sure your sessions are LONG because you will be able to push without getting tired if you do this.

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[quote]Wayacrucis wrote:
Hi shadow. A couple of questions regarding GH and insulin sensitivity.

  1. Will GH use induce some level of insulin resistance even if no carbs are ingested 1 hour pre and post GH injection?

  2. I am aware that that carbs should be avoided right after a GH shot, but does this apply predominantly to simple carbs? Do you guys think it’s a problem if I pin 4IU of Growth before bed and after inject my before bed shake right after? The shake has 2 scoops of casein protein, 1 tbsp peanut butter and 1 cup skim milk. No carbs in either aside from the 13g of sugar coming from the milk. But those sugars have a very low GI 30-40 I believe and are very slow digesting.

  3. Since a having a ton of simple carbs post GH injection is not good, I am assuming it would be a bad idea to follow a pre work out homolog protocol followed by a GH shot post work and then pound the carbs? Wouldn’t this be very bad for insulin resistance?
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  4. Very minimal if any, it’s nothing to be concerned about.

  5. I don’t see any issues with doing this because the amount of carbs are negligible. I don’t know if I’d use milk though, maybe almond milk or water would be a better option.

  6. Having carbs with GH is not a big problem. If the goal is to lose fat then it will interfere with the positive fat burning effects that GH has but if you’re trying to grow then you do want to have carbs with the GH because it will increase igf levels and create an anabolic environment for growth. It’s not wrong to have carbs with GH but it’s just not ideal if you are using it for fat burning purposes or dieting.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]doom44 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]doom44 wrote:
Hi Shadow, what’s your advise on post contest rebound cycle? It’s after pre contest cycle straight jump into post contest cycle rebound?
The day after the show? [/quote]

I’m all about post rebound cycles and I think this is the best time to gain muscle if you do things correctly.
I made a post a little while back with more detail and examples of how to do it.

If you want something specific for yourself then please give me all of your info so I can give you a better answer.[/quote]

I’m not planing to do it now. i’m plan to do it my next year competition.

here my next year prep cycle:
1-8 weeks - Test prop 75mg eod
1-8 weeks - Tren A 75mg eod
1-8 weeks - Mast P 75mg eod
1-8 weeks - HCG 205iu e3d
1-8 weeks - Novaldex 10-20mg ed
2-8 weeks - caber 0.25mg e3d

and here my stats now:
height : 5’7"
weight : 168.5 lbs
body fat : 9-10%

years of training - 4.5 years

Cycle history : 3
1.

  • Test prop 150mg eod - 8 weeks
  • dbol 30mg ed - 4 weeks
  • HCG 250iu e3d - 8 weeks
  • arimidex 0.25mg eod
  1. pre contest cycle
  • test prop 75-100mg eod - 8 weeks
  • tren a 75mg eod - 8 weeks
  • HCG 250iu e3d - 8 weeks
  • test prop 150mg eod - 8 weeks
  • dbol 30mg ed - 6 weeks
  • HCG 250iu - 8 weeks

All PCT done the same
Clomid - 75/50/50/50
novaldex - 40/20/20/20

and everytime when i’m done my show i’ll straight go into PCT. so now i want your advise how should i do post contest rebound.

Thanks for your time Shadow.[/quote]

Your competition cycle for next year looks good. Only use caber if you need it and at these dosages I think you’ll be safe but definitely keep it on hand just incase.

All of the previous cycles and pct look great as well, nice to see someone is doing their research before diving in.

As for post contest rebound… Stay on short esters after the show and start the long esters then you can taper off the short esters once the long kicks in. For example: a day after the show do you first shot of test-e (600-750mg) EQ (400-600mg) and possibly an oral like dbol(30-50mg/day for 4 weeks) continue the short esters for 2 weeks and taper them down at this time. Stay on HCG and anti estrogens for the whole rebound phase.
Once you are finished do your normal pct.

Rebound can be between 8-10weeks long.[/quote]

Shodow pro, thanks for taking your time to reply my questions. all the advises that you gave me worth thousand gold.