Shadow Pro Q&A 2.0

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]yona34 wrote:
Hello Shadow,
I plan to do my first treatment, I was advised to take an oral, oral tbol but what is the best dosage for the oral not the liver suffers too? which lasted? my goal dry mass
my weight is 80kg with 15% BF, go to 85kg remaining low in BF[/quote]

Can you give me some more info about yourself. Your history of training, diet, supplementation etc… And post a current picture then I can help you better.

Thanks.
[/quote]

Food 6 meals:
1: 40 gr wholemeal bread, 40 grams of whey protein isolate, canola oil spoon, vitamins C 1gr

2: 40g whey isolate and an apple

3: 150g rice, 200g of chicken, canola oil spoon, Cla, magnesium, vitamin C 1g

4: training: 50g dextrose and 10g BCAA
After the training: 40g of protein isolate and 10 grams of glutamine

5: 300g vegetables, 200g of chicken, canola oil spoon, Cla, magnesium

6: 40g of protein casein

age 40 years, training for 10 years, I took a drug that hurts a little liver (anxiolytic benzodiazepine for 15 years) so good protection during the treatment with Desmodium

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shadow,

I notice you giving guys that are pretty small (less than 200lbs) meal plans and WO nutrion suggestions.

some of your snack suggestions are 3 scoops MAG-10 and your WO nutrition is 3 scoops PLAZMA.

would you give the same recommendation for me? or would your serving size go up for me…

FYI - im 6’1" and in the mornings im around 225-227lbs

just curious… i’ve been playing with my serving size on plazma and MAG-10… and its been interesting… im very curious to see what you say or what you use yourself.

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Ok Mr. Shadow Proâ?¦Iâ??ve been lurking in the bushes long enough!lol!

I need our opinion on something I experienced a few years back. I tried my first cycle about 2 years ago now. It was simple and from a good â??sourceâ?? (keyword included thereâ?¦). It was two compounds Test E and D-Bol. The Test E was EOD and the D-Bol was to be taken daily 2 times/ED I think. I believe I was set to run this 12-16wks canâ??t exactly remember and it makes no difference here.

I took the D-Bol first thing in the morning then took my first shot before lunch (a few hours before gym time). Right after the shot my heart started racing, I started sweating a bit and felt somewhat light-headed. That evening and night my heart never slowed down and I had trouble sleeping. The next day at lunch I felt a lot of pressure in my chest and it was like something heavy was sitting on it. I occasionally got pain down my left arm too. I began researching injections gone bad and probably made things worseâ?¦I was convinced I had an embolism! That night was no better and as I lay down for bed it felt as if my heart was palpating and was definitely in overdrive as I had my wife take a listen too. I felt like I do when working outâ?¦only 24/7! I went to the ER b/c I was very worried. The EKG was normalâ?¦my BP was quite high and my pulse was high as well. They gave me fluids and some meds to calm me down and watched me until my heart rate went down a bit. I never took my next shot and threw the stuff out thinking they gave me speed or something instead of roids!lol!

I have a history of bipolar disorder and depression in my family if that makes any difference. I also have had a few â??tight chestâ?? episodes since thenâ?¦and have considered having my heart thoroughly checked out (I think it might just be panic attacks b/c a few of my family members have these often). Do some people just not respond well to certain compounds or the roids in general? Maybe you know ppl who have had â??issuesâ?? with the standard compounds and there is something else you could recommend??

Thanks and your stuff has been interesting to read!

-Z

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Hey, shadow! just out of curiosity, are there any strange or outlandish protocols you’ve seen other pros use? I keep hearing people talk about megadosing tren with hardly any test but never find anyone big who does it. Not that I want to try anything like that, but I want to hear some crazy stories for the hell of it since you’ve pretty much set my drug protocol for the forseeable future!

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Hello sir, I was curious about a few things you mentioned in your article about natural competitors:

  • I was under the impression that Myostatin inhibitors were not available, and wouldn’t work. Are you saying this is wrong? Are there actual inhibitors available?

  • Regarding the state of natural competitions, which would you consider the toughest natty show?

Thanks in advance.

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Hi Shadow,

First of all I gotta say that this is just amazing, having free answers from someone like you. As I have been reading the previous thread and looking for my answers I didnt find one, so I have couple of questions to ask.

Just want to let you know that I am not a native english speaker, I only study british university so my vocabulary is not that wide and it might be harder to understand my questions…

Just to let you know something abt my background.

I 21yo from Czech Republic and been training for about 4-5 years naturally. 2 months ago I tried my first competition and ended up 3rd, which is in my eyes success for a first show. But the reason why I am really here is to ask you questions about different approaches to eating while taking into consideration the body type which is in my case Mesomorph… My body have tendency to gain and lose weight very quickly.

So my first question is:

1.) What would be the best approach to eating due to your experience for someone like me? (Low fat, high carb or vise versa).

Also I am still wondering how is it with the glycemic index. I found that the best results in my physique are by eating low-glycemic carbs(harder muscles, gaining lean muscle while losing fat) but when I eat white rice and generally high glycemic carbs I am soft and bloated the next day.

2.) My muscles responds very well to twice a day training. I have made insane results by training twice a day the same muscle group and eating carbs only post workout and I can go 7 days in a row without overtraining only with 200-300g carbs a day.

My question is, should I stick to this if it works for me better than anything else even though I eat only 3 meals a day? And Does it really matter how many times a day I eat as longest I hit my macros?

  1. After my first show I realized that there is a huge competition and that being natural in this sport is just a joke.

So what would be the best FIRST cycle for someone like me who is training 4+ years? I did a lot of research last year and found that the best cycle would be just 250mg of TST E + Proviron? Any suggestions?

  1. What is the best approach to do cycles for the most benefits(healthy also). For example is it better to do two cycles/year, one while bulking and second while dieting. Or is it better to be just off in the off season and basically do a cycle before the show and just grow into the show?

  2. Most important one. Do I have the genetics to be good in the future?

The first four pictures are from diet the last two from short off season.

I lost shit load of muscle in the diet. My coach got me doing 3 month of diet with 0g fat. I still dont have my testosterone levels back :confused: :smiley:

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[quote]yona34 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]yona34 wrote:
Hello Shadow,
I plan to do my first treatment, I was advised to take an oral, oral tbol but what is the best dosage for the oral not the liver suffers too? which lasted? my goal dry mass
my weight is 80kg with 15% BF, go to 85kg remaining low in BF[/quote]

Can you give me some more info about yourself. Your history of training, diet, supplementation etc… And post a current picture then I can help you better.

Thanks.
[/quote]

Food 6 meals:
1: 40 gr wholemeal bread, 40 grams of whey protein isolate, canola oil spoon, vitamins C 1gr

2: 40g whey isolate and an apple

3: 150g rice, 200g of chicken, canola oil spoon, Cla, magnesium, vitamin C 1g

4: training: 50g dextrose and 10g BCAA
After the training: 40g of protein isolate and 10 grams of glutamine

5: 300g vegetables, 200g of chicken, canola oil spoon, Cla, magnesium

6: 40g of protein casein

age 40 years, training for 10 years, I took a drug that hurts a little liver (anxiolytic benzodiazepine for 15 years) so good protection during the treatment with Desmodium
[/quote]

I need to see a picture before suggesting anything but there are some things in your diet I can see need to be changed right away.

  • change dextrose to Plazma
  • change post workout shake to MAG-10
    -change canola oil to mct oil or another good fat source. You should weigh this spoon size aren’t consistent.

To give you cycle advise(or any other advice) I need to see a picture. Giving me numbers with estimate bodyfat (which are usually wrong) won’t help me, I can give you much better information based on a photo.

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[quote]ty_ty13 wrote:
shadow,

I notice you giving guys that are pretty small (less than 200lbs) meal plans and WO nutrion suggestions.

some of your snack suggestions are 3 scoops MAG-10 and your WO nutrition is 3 scoops PLAZMA.

would you give the same recommendation for me? or would your serving size go up for me…

FYI - im 6’1" and in the mornings im around 225-227lbs

just curious… i’ve been playing with my serving size on plazma and MAG-10… and its been interesting… im very curious to see what you say or what you use yourself.[/quote]

For the lighter guys who I give this recommend these amount to would be going off the assumption that they are very lean to begin with or they simply need to add more quality calories. The fact that these carbs are thermic in nature won’t allow them to gain body fat from these amounts.

As for yourself, it would depend on your goal. If you are trying to gain size right now, you can definitely use more than 3 servings… I got all the way up to 6 or 7 in some workouts. It helped me train longer and maintain strength without gaining an ounce of bodyfat. If you want to do more servings of MAG-10 you can just split them up throughout the day, I do 1.5-2 servings 3-4 times a day (first thing in the morning, preworkout, post workout and before bed)

You need to count these as a part of your macros, for me it’s very easy to drink and in the offseason I’ll prefer this than trying to shove in so much solid food. If you’re dieting I would recommend having the majority of your daily carbs intraworkout, so the amount of Plazma you use will depend on your daily macros and eat the rest of your carbs in small amounts throughout the day.

I’m assuming you made this post based on the diet information I gave to the young guy who posted on this page. These are basic recommendations to get him going on the right track, for a more advanced athlete or competitor the diet information is much more complex.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]yona34 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]yona34 wrote:
Hello Shadow,
I plan to do my first treatment, I was advised to take an oral, oral tbol but what is the best dosage for the oral not the liver suffers too? which lasted? my goal dry mass
my weight is 80kg with 15% BF, go to 85kg remaining low in BF[/quote]

Can you give me some more info about yourself. Your history of training, diet, supplementation etc… And post a current picture then I can help you better.

Thanks.
[/quote]

Food 6 meals:
1: 40 gr wholemeal bread, 40 grams of whey protein isolate, canola oil spoon, vitamins C 1gr

2: 40g whey isolate and an apple

3: 150g rice, 200g of chicken, canola oil spoon, Cla, magnesium, vitamin C 1g

4: training: 50g dextrose and 10g BCAA
After the training: 40g of protein isolate and 10 grams of glutamine

5: 300g vegetables, 200g of chicken, canola oil spoon, Cla, magnesium

6: 40g of protein casein

age 40 years, training for 10 years, I took a drug that hurts a little liver (anxiolytic benzodiazepine for 15 years) so good protection during the treatment with Desmodium
[/quote]

I need to see a picture before suggesting anything but there are some things in your diet I can see need to be changed right away.

  • change dextrose to Plazma
  • change post workout shake to MAG-10
    -change canola oil to mct oil or another good fat source. You should weigh this spoon size aren’t consistent.

To give you cycle advise(or any other advice) I need to see a picture. Giving me numbers with estimate bodyfat (which are usually wrong) won’t help me, I can give you much better information based on a photo.
[/quote]
Hello Shadow,
I can not give photo in public because of my work, I 183cm for 80kg, have a little fat on the waist belt, I am now too late (thighs, arms) I would fill me properly, to the turinabol you there as testosterone function to reduce abdominal fat? I also saw on a forum that will greatly add masteron propionate turinabol the effect of lowering the doses so less side effects, right?

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[quote]thezukiman wrote:
Ok Mr. Shadow Proâ?¦Iâ??ve been lurking in the bushes long enough!lol!

I need our opinion on something I experienced a few years back. I tried my first cycle about 2 years ago now. It was simple and from a good â??sourceâ?? (keyword included thereâ?¦). It was two compounds Test E and D-Bol. The Test E was EOD and the D-Bol was to be taken daily 2 times/ED I think. I believe I was set to run this 12-16wks canâ??t exactly remember and it makes no difference here.

I took the D-Bol first thing in the morning then took my first shot before lunch (a few hours before gym time). Right after the shot my heart started racing, I started sweating a bit and felt somewhat light-headed. That evening and night my heart never slowed down and I had trouble sleeping. The next day at lunch I felt a lot of pressure in my chest and it was like something heavy was sitting on it. I occasionally got pain down my left arm too. I began researching injections gone bad and probably made things worseâ?¦I was convinced I had an embolism! That night was no better and as I lay down for bed it felt as if my heart was palpating and was definitely in overdrive as I had my wife take a listen too. I felt like I do when working outâ?¦only 24/7! I went to the ER b/c I was very worried. The EKG was normalâ?¦my BP was quite high and my pulse was high as well. They gave me fluids and some meds to calm me down and watched me until my heart rate went down a bit. I never took my next shot and threw the stuff out thinking they gave me speed or something instead of roids!lol!

I have a history of bipolar disorder and depression in my family if that makes any difference. I also have had a few â??tight chestâ?? episodes since thenâ?¦and have considered having my heart thoroughly checked out (I think it might just be panic attacks b/c a few of my family members have these often). Do some people just not respond well to certain compounds or the roids in general? Maybe you know ppl who have had â??issuesâ?? with the standard compounds and there is something else you could recommend??

Thanks and your stuff has been interesting to read!

-Z
[/quote]

Sorry to hear about your bad experience.

I would assume it’s very unlikely that it has any relation to the juice, you mentioned it’s a reliable source so it would be extremely rare to experience something of this nature with just test and dbol. These are two of the most common drugs out there with usually minimal side effects so if you don’t have any specific allergy to these substances I would agree that it is probably a panic attack or something to do with mental/physical health.

Other compounds you might want to try that are very gentle would be masteron, primobolan or anavar and maybe try a short ester like Test-P incase you do have some kind of issue with test, this way the substance is in and out of you quickly.

I really doubt it’s a juice issue, but hearing your family history of bipolar and depression I would recommend to stay away from tren, halotestin and Anadrol. Eq can also cause anxiety in some people so you might want to avoid this as well.

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[quote]Fathermithras wrote:
Hey, shadow! just out of curiosity, are there any strange or outlandish protocols you’ve seen other pros use? I keep hearing people talk about megadosing tren with hardly any test but never find anyone big who does it. Not that I want to try anything like that, but I want to hear some crazy stories for the hell of it since you’ve pretty much set my drug protocol for the forseeable future![/quote]

Oh boy, where do I begin. I’ve heard some crazy stories… Not necessarily from pros, but most commonly from lazy fucks who think they can take all the steroids in the world and look like a pro bodybuilder by relying on drugs and this always blows up in their face.

Just use your imagination… I’ve heard things like 100iu of insulin everyday, 3g of test every week, 2g of tren… None of these were pros either not to say pro bodybuilders don’t take high dosages but the average could be between 2-4.5g/week (including all injectables)

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[quote]Fathermithras wrote:
Hey, shadow! just out of curiosity, are there any strange or outlandish protocols you’ve seen other pros use? I keep hearing people talk about megadosing tren with hardly any test but never find anyone big who does it. Not that I want to try anything like that, but I want to hear some crazy stories for the hell of it since you’ve pretty much set my drug protocol for the forseeable future![/quote]

I knew this would spike some interest. I can’t share a ALL of my secrets, but I promise you there is some interesting things out there that you can find if you know the right people or look hard enough :wink:

Well, in regards to the IFBB i would say NPC Team Universe and the World Amateur Championships.

As for other federations like the wnbf the drug testing is more in depth with polygraphs and urinalysis. Nothing that can’t be manipulated in some way or another.

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[quote]k120 wrote:
Hi Shadow,

First of all I gotta say that this is just amazing, having free answers from someone like you. As I have been reading the previous thread and looking for my answers I didnt find one, so I have couple of questions to ask.

Just want to let you know that I am not a native english speaker, I only study british university so my vocabulary is not that wide and it might be harder to understand my questions…

Just to let you know something abt my background.

I 21yo from Czech Republic and been training for about 4-5 years naturally. 2 months ago I tried my first competition and ended up 3rd, which is in my eyes success for a first show. But the reason why I am really here is to ask you questions about different approaches to eating while taking into consideration the body type which is in my case Mesomorph… My body have tendency to gain and lose weight very quickly.

So my first question is:

1.) What would be the best approach to eating due to your experience for someone like me? (Low fat, high carb or vise versa).

Also I am still wondering how is it with the glycemic index. I found that the best results in my physique are by eating low-glycemic carbs(harder muscles, gaining lean muscle while losing fat) but when I eat white rice and generally high glycemic carbs I am soft and bloated the next day.

2.) My muscles responds very well to twice a day training. I have made insane results by training twice a day the same muscle group and eating carbs only post workout and I can go 7 days in a row without overtraining only with 200-300g carbs a day.

My question is, should I stick to this if it works for me better than anything else even though I eat only 3 meals a day? And Does it really matter how many times a day I eat as longest I hit my macros?

  1. After my first show I realized that there is a huge competition and that being natural in this sport is just a joke.

So what would be the best FIRST cycle for someone like me who is training 4+ years? I did a lot of research last year and found that the best cycle would be just 250mg of TST E + Proviron? Any suggestions?

  1. What is the best approach to do cycles for the most benefits(healthy also). For example is it better to do two cycles/year, one while bulking and second while dieting. Or is it better to be just off in the off season and basically do a cycle before the show and just grow into the show?

  2. Most important one. Do I have the genetics to be good in the future?

The first four pictures are from diet the last two from short off season.

I lost shit load of muscle in the diet. My coach got me doing 3 month of diet with 0g fat. I still dont have my testosterone levels back :confused: :smiley:
[/quote]

You look great and you’re doing very well for your age. It’s nice to see someone who is training hard and motivated to do well.

  1. I would definitely go with high carbs and low fat approach. Protein at roughly 1.5g/lb is a good starting point. As for the type of carbs to eat (low or high glycemic index) the most important thing is the timing for eating these carbs. High GI carbs would be the most beneficial pre, intra and post workout. The rest of the day low GI carbs will be better.

Intraworkout carbs should be your staple. Plazma is your best friend here and the majority of your daily carbs should come from this.

  1. 2x/day training is good but you can’t do it all the time. Something like 4-6 weeks of two-a-days and then back off to once a day for 6 weeks would be a good starting point.

I would take at least 1 day off each week for active recovery. Massage, physical therapy etc.

For someone who wants to take bodybuilding seriously would never eat just 3 times a day. You need to eat every 3 hours and just meeting your macros is not going to cut it… Meal timing is everything. Get used to eating 5-7 times/day. Start educating yourself about the intraworkout nutrition, just by adding this you will add new muscle… I’m sure you’ve read my speeches about Plazma on here already. Also, having MAG-10 first thing in the morning and post workout will be a great benefit for your physique and recovery time.

Judging by your pictures I would suggest that you can eat more than 300g of carbs per day so start slowly building it up and have at least 100-150g of carbs from Plazma during the workout and the rest spread throughout the day.

  1. This is not a bad idea for a first cycle. Just make sure you’re doing a good pct after and take HCG @ 250iu 2x/week. I would also suggest adding 40mg of anavar everyday (optional) and there’s no need for the Proviron in your first cycle, the HCG will be fine. You can keep nolvadex in hand just incase you need it during the cycle, or play it safe and take 10mg everyday (optional)

I think you look very good naturally, you still have lots of potential to improve before starting a cycle. I think you can make some big progress just from changing your diet and supplementation. Waiting a year could be very beneficial for you to perfect your diet and make another jump before starting juice, you waited this long so one more year won’t kill you if you are thinking long term. Micro-PA and Plazma are an amazing tool for growth and strength and you’ll be surprised what you can still do.

  1. When you start cycling I think that 2 cycles a year would be a better approach. A gaining cycle followed by a good pct and then try to keep as much of the gains as you can and then go on a cutting cycle to get as ripped as you can leading up to the show without losing muscle. When you are just starting it’s better to do it in stages rather than mixing them.

  2. You definitely have great potential. If you’ll be consistent you can be a lot better than what you are now, you need to take your time and set small goals to conquer every time. Best advice I can give is not to rush things, this is a sport where you want longevity… No drugs will make you mr.olympia in 3 years (contrary to popular belief ;))
    How good you’ll be in the future also depends on your competitors, there’s always genetic freaks out there. Do the sport because you love it, not for the placing. You need to love to look like this and love the lifestyle without chasing a placing otherwise you’ll be set up for disappointment, this will always be a subjective sport and the judging doesn’t always fall in your favor.

Keep training hard and let me know if you have anymore questions. You’re doing great!

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Wow, thank you so much for this great answer. Aint nothing better than waking up and reading this. Now I am motivated even more!

As for the Plazma. There is no way I can get it here in Czech Republic, so I guess I will just order it from US. But to be clear, is it this one?

ndfitness.com.au/product/plasma-blast-pre-intra-post-workout/

I have never tried drinking carbs during the workout, so I will definetely give it a try. But the best way I was able to get the most from my workouts is training fasted first thing in the morning and then on a empty stomach in the evening. I have so much more energy during trainings and it also gave me the benefit to burn more fat … Every time I ate carbs before training, I literally felt like sleeping and my training sucked big time.

As for the twice a day training. I will be honest, I train like this for about a year now. The only time I wasnt was when I was dieting for the show.

Every one tells me it is bullshit to train so much and so on, but I am just obsessed. I just love the way I live. Wake up, train, eat, eat, train, eat, sleep.

There cannot be nothing wrong with it when I still have good workouts and I dont feel overtrained, right?. I take 1-2 days off every 10 days and basically eat what ever I want because I am in slight caloric deficit every day I train. I usually even do HIIT after morning sessions.

I am a believer that your body can adapt to anything you put it through. So if my body still gives me good results from twice a day training, why not continue?

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[quote]yona34 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]yona34 wrote:
Hello Shadow,
I plan to do my first treatment, I was advised to take an oral, oral tbol but what is the best dosage for the oral not the liver suffers too? which lasted? my goal dry mass
my weight is 80kg with 15% BF, go to 85kg remaining low in BF[/quote]

Can you give me some more info about yourself. Your history of training, diet, supplementation etc… And post a current picture then I can help you better.

Thanks.
[/quote]

Food 6 meals:
1: 40 gr wholemeal bread, 40 grams of whey protein isolate, canola oil spoon, vitamins C 1gr

2: 40g whey isolate and an apple

3: 150g rice, 200g of chicken, canola oil spoon, Cla, magnesium, vitamin C 1g

4: training: 50g dextrose and 10g BCAA
After the training: 40g of protein isolate and 10 grams of glutamine

5: 300g vegetables, 200g of chicken, canola oil spoon, Cla, magnesium

6: 40g of protein casein

age 40 years, training for 10 years, I took a drug that hurts a little liver (anxiolytic benzodiazepine for 15 years) so good protection during the treatment with Desmodium
[/quote]
Hello Shadow,
I can not give photo in public because of my work, I 183cm for 80kg, have a little fat on the waist belt, I am now too late (thighs, arms) I would fill me properly, to the turinabol you there as testosterone function to reduce abdominal fat? I also saw on a forum that will greatly add masteron propionate turinabol the effect of lowering the doses so less side effects, right?

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Hi Shadow, just finished reading your article “How Natural Is Natural Bodybuilding”…RESPECT!!! Its about damn time someone starts telling it like it is…keep up the good work!

Quick question on the Myostatin Inhibitors you mentioned, any good supplements you know of that will do the trick?..lets call them natural substances shall we… hahahahaha?
I have skimmed some articles and it seems a bit conflicting whether any of the supplements that claim to do it actually work.
If the supplements dont cut it could you provide some info on what drugs or protocols would?

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]thezukiman wrote:
Ok Mr. Shadow Pro�¢?�¦I�¢??ve been lurking in the bushes long enough!lol!

I need our opinion on something I experienced a few years back. I tried my first cycle about 2 years ago now. It was simple and from a good �¢??source�¢?? (keyword included there�¢?�¦). It was two compounds Test E and D-Bol. The Test E was EOD and the D-Bol was to be taken daily 2 times/ED I think. I believe I was set to run this 12-16wks can�¢??t exactly remember and it makes no difference here.

I took the D-Bol first thing in the morning then took my first shot before lunch (a few hours before gym time). Right after the shot my heart started racing, I started sweating a bit and felt somewhat light-headed. That evening and night my heart never slowed down and I had trouble sleeping. The next day at lunch I felt a lot of pressure in my chest and it was like something heavy was sitting on it. I occasionally got pain down my left arm too. I began researching injections gone bad and probably made things worse�¢?�¦I was convinced I had an embolism! That night was no better and as I lay down for bed it felt as if my heart was palpating and was definitely in overdrive as I had my wife take a listen too. I felt like I do when working out�¢?�¦only 24/7! I went to the ER b/c I was very worried. The EKG was normal�¢?�¦my BP was quite high and my pulse was high as well. They gave me fluids and some meds to calm me down and watched me until my heart rate went down a bit. I never took my next shot and threw the stuff out thinking they gave me speed or something instead of roids!lol!

I have a history of bipolar disorder and depression in my family if that makes any difference. I also have had a few �¢??tight chest�¢?? episodes since then�¢?�¦and have considered having my heart thoroughly checked out (I think it might just be panic attacks b/c a few of my family members have these often). Do some people just not respond well to certain compounds or the roids in general? Maybe you know ppl who have had �¢??issues�¢?? with the standard compounds and there is something else you could recommend??

Thanks and your stuff has been interesting to read!

-Z
[/quote]

Sorry to hear about your bad experience.

I would assume it’s very unlikely that it has any relation to the juice, you mentioned it’s a reliable source so it would be extremely rare to experience something of this nature with just test and dbol. These are two of the most common drugs out there with usually minimal side effects so if you don’t have any specific allergy to these substances I would agree that it is probably a panic attack or something to do with mental/physical health.

Other compounds you might want to try that are very gentle would be masteron, primobolan or anavar and maybe try a short ester like Test-P incase you do have some kind of issue with test, this way the substance is in and out of you quickly.

I really doubt it’s a juice issue, but hearing your family history of bipolar and depression I would recommend to stay away from tren, halotestin and Anadrol. Eq can also cause anxiety in some people so you might want to avoid this as well.
[/quote]

Don’t mind the above post…I screwed it up!

Thanks for the prompt and thorough response.

You are likely right as I also doubt it was either of the substances which caused my issues. It seems that even low doses of steroids have always produced a big effect on me (and others in my family might be genetics?). Those little steroid packs you get from the doc when trying to fight off a cold or whatnot even make me irritable and make my dad wanna rip someone�¢??s head off! lol! Also, the injections you get in the office for a cold (usually followed by antibiotic shot) also make me feel much more energetic (in a good way).

The shorter ester might be a good option that I have never considered, the only downside would probably be pinning ED. One compound I didn’t see you mention was Decca (not sure if it’s a bad choice b/c of my “craziness”)
Based on the “safer” compounds you listed any way you could recommend a stack or two for my first cycle with PCT (if not too much trouble)? My main goal is size gains, but I also wish to get stronger. In the future I want to compete in both bodybuilding and powerlifting at least once or twice a year.

Thanks.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ty_ty13 wrote:
shadow,

I notice you giving guys that are pretty small (less than 200lbs) meal plans and WO nutrion suggestions.

some of your snack suggestions are 3 scoops MAG-10 and your WO nutrition is 3 scoops PLAZMA.

would you give the same recommendation for me? or would your serving size go up for me…

FYI - im 6’1" and in the mornings im around 225-227lbs

just curious… i’ve been playing with my serving size on plazma and MAG-10… and its been interesting… im very curious to see what you say or what you use yourself.[/quote]

For the lighter guys who I give this recommend these amount to would be going off the assumption that they are very lean to begin with or they simply need to add more quality calories. The fact that these carbs are thermic in nature won’t allow them to gain body fat from these amounts.

As for yourself, it would depend on your goal. If you are trying to gain size right now, you can definitely use more than 3 servings… I got all the way up to 6 or 7 in some workouts. It helped me train longer and maintain strength without gaining an ounce of bodyfat. If you want to do more servings of MAG-10 you can just split them up throughout the day, I do 1.5-2 servings 3-4 times a day (first thing in the morning, preworkout, post workout and before bed)

You need to count these as a part of your macros, for me it’s very easy to drink and in the offseason I’ll prefer this than trying to shove in so much solid food. If you’re dieting I would recommend having the majority of your daily carbs intraworkout, so the amount of Plazma you use will depend on your daily macros and eat the rest of your carbs in small amounts throughout the day.

I’m assuming you made this post based on the diet information I gave to the young guy who posted on this page. These are basic recommendations to get him going on the right track, for a more advanced athlete or competitor the diet information is much more complex.
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you gave me the exact info i was looking for. my curiosity on you using 6 servings peri-WO has me wondering how long that particular WO was.

as we discussed before the, 2 finibars pre WO and 3 servings Plazma peri WO and 1.5 servings MAG10 post WO made me feel great and like an animal during and after my workout… thats the most WO nutrition i’ve used and the best WO i’ve had so i was wondering if i should keep adding more WO nutrition until i see no or bad effects.

the only complaint i have is eating 2 Finibars 60min pre workout makes me almost fall asleep and i get real sluggish because of the carbs… but as soon as the HOT-ROX gets going in my system I feel ready to go.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]station95 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]station95 wrote:
Hello Shadow,

First of all thank you for a very informative and interesting thread, I have been following T-Nation for a while but have now decided to sign up because of you!

The reason I’m posting is I would really appreciate your advice/opinion on my diet and training In general. I am 19 years old (male) and I have been training for around a year now. I have stuck to a basic full body for the majority of the year gaining strength on compounds.

I have gone from weighing 120-140 pounds, but still a long long way off of my desired physique. My strength isn’t great, although I feel I could of made better progress if my diet was on point (something I’m still struggling with). Bench is at around 70kg for 3x5, squat 100kg 3x5 and deadlift 120kg 3x5 to give you an idea.

I am no longer concerned with strength and want to gain as much possible size. Although I hear size comes with strength…I have been training in the “hypertrophy” range (higher reps 8-12) for the last few months in order to try gain mass but noticed hardly any gains

As you can probably guess by my weight I find it hard to put on weight, and right now I feel like I’m stuck I’m a rut with regards to my diet and training! On top of this there is lots of contradicting information online, I don’t know how I should be eating or training!

I have attached pictures(not the best), please could you help me!

Thank you again.[/quote]

Thanks for posting, I can help you out for sure.

Can you please post your current diet, supplementation and training program so I can see what you’re doing and make necessary adjustments.
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Honestly, I don’t have a set meal plan, but my diet is pretty consistent -

Breakfast - Muesli and scoop of syntha 6 whey

Morning snack - almonds and a piece of fruit (sometimes I don’t eat till lunch)

Lunch - chicken veg and carb source whatever I fancy

Dinner - whatever is made for me (I live with parents) but always a solid protein source and veg

Post workout - scoop of syntha 6 and something small like a PB sandwich

Currently doing a PPL routine 5-6 days a week generally focusing on a compound at the start of each workout them followed with 4/5 accessory exercises - I.e push would look like -

Overhead press heavy as I can for 6+ reps
Db bench 3x8-12
DB fly - 3x8-12
Machine chest press - 3x8-12
Dips a few sets to failure
Tris to finish

Currently only supplements I’m using are whey protein (BSN syntha 6) and a multivitamin. Sometimes a pre workout (actually a lot lately been feeling super tired after work)

Appreciate the advice. I feel like a little bit of guidance could massively help me get on track!
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Pinkylifting posted an article with a training program called the strong bodybuilder, it’s a few pages back. You can give this a try, it is a good mix of strength and hypertrophy work that would work well for you.

As for your diet, it’s kind of all over the place… Try something like this.

Meal 1: 1 cup oats, 10 egg whites, 1 scoop protein powder (get your parents to buy the cartons of egg whites), 1tbsp mct oil.
Meal 2: MAG-10 (1.5servings)
Meal 3: 6-8oz of chicken or white fish, 1cup rice, 1/2 avocado
Meal 4: intraworkout: 3 servings Plazma
Meal 5: MAG-10 (1.5servings)
Meal 6: 6-8oz of lean steak, 1.5cups of rice OR 10oz of potato, 1/2 avocado

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Thanks for the advice much appreciated.

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Shadow,

I have a doubt how to manipulate diet or use some tools for legs. Look at them, difficult to peel. What should I consider?

  • Insulin even from Plazma can affect the ratio to get them lean
  • Distribution adrenoreceptors 2 alpha
  • Estrogen dominance

How would you manipulate nutrition or gear?

Thanks