1036 it is…
[quote]robo1 wrote:
shizen wrote:
Also how do you know its 1036 some guy just could have made that number up on youtube
How do you know the guy in the video is even Ryan Kennelley? could be an imposter! Chew on that for a second.[/quote]
considering the amount of shity fake youtube videos there are, its really not too far stretched to believe something could be fake. Now if the link was from another site I could have more faith, again its been cleared up that its not fake.
That’s an insane amount of weight. I saw a guy at my gym bench 5 plates yesterday (495) for 2 reps raw and I was in awe of that. He even said that was an off-day for him. His raw max is 585. Can’t imagine nearly double that weight.
[quote]RJ24 wrote:
xb100, I hate to interject here, but you aren’t serious, are you? Guys like Ryan, Gene, and Scott get around 300 lbs out of their shirts, not 50-70. I believe the raw record is 715 (not held by Ryan) while the shirted record is now apparently 1036.
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I’d think it would take a newbie powerlifter quite some time to get 300 pounds out of his shirt.
As for guys who have been powerlifting for quite some time ya, it might come easier for them.
Also a single ply shirt probably won’t give you as much support as say a double of triple ply. You could infer that wearing a triple ply would give you a bigger bench as opposed to wearing a single ply.
If guys got 200-300 pounds out of there shirts, there would be a ton more people benching 600-700 pounds.
[quote]OneDay wrote:
1000 lbs is 1000 lbs. I don’t care what you have on your body or in your body, it’s still 1000 lbs. Louie Simmons used to say that he could put his bench shirt in the corner with a bottle of test and it wouldn’t lift shit.
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Precisely. Thank you.
I don’t get some of you guys. Anyone benching half a ton any way they possibly can is absolutely incredible as achievements go. Incredible. I’ve been working to consistently beat 400 raw for what seems an eternity and this guy, however he did it, just did 2.5X. That’s amazing.
The vast majority of you clowns have utterly no reference point for what it’s like to have even a small fraction of that weight over your chest, so give it a rest. I’ll give you the test and the shirt and still bet the family fortune most of you couldn’t come close within as many years as you like.
Short of using a car jack, a half ton is fantastic. I guess everyone’s a critic.
[quote]xb100 wrote:
If guys got 200-300 pounds out of there shirts, there would be a ton more people benching 600-700 pounds.
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200-300 isn’t an unrealistic bump from one of these shirts, but only at the highest end of the spectrum. The massive denim ones the best of the best use obviously do give that much support.
However, the shirts that give 200-300 lbs require a shitload of weight to even touch chest. someone would likely need to bench 600 ish RAW in order to even get anything out of these shirts. A beginner couldn’t just throw on an Inzer Triple Ply and bench 700+ Lbs. It takes years of work to get to that point.
Sidenote: To those who bench equipped. I’ve only ever lifted raw. When wearing a bench shirt, does the bar feel lighter at the bottom, like when you bench with chains, etc? Or do you feel the whole weight, but just feel stronger (for lack of a better word) when the shirt is helping?
[quote]shizen wrote:
robo1 wrote:
shizen wrote:
Also how do you know its 1036 some guy just could have made that number up on youtube
How do you know the guy in the video is even Ryan Kennelley? could be an imposter! Chew on that for a second.
considering the amount of shity fake youtube videos there are, its really not too far stretched to believe something could be fake. Now if the link was from another site I could have more faith, again its been cleared up that its not fake. [/quote]
lol! Whatever dude. Come back to reality when you get a chance. This video is from a sanctioned wpo meet that was well advertised for weeks involving the best shirted benchers in the world who have performed in hundreds of meets combined. at least try to keep up. It’s not like kennelly is some no name teenager posting youtube videos of himself benching in his parents’ basement.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
shizen wrote:
BigBen72 wrote:
His ass is a good 5 inches off the bench the whole time.
I am no powerlifting expert, but isn’t that illegal?
It certainly would shorten the ROM.
your right his ass is off the bench its pretty noticeable at that. Also how do you know its 1036 some guy just could have made that number up on youtube-dosnt look like that many plates- the guys last big attempt was what around 900, hard to believe he made such a huge improvement so quick.
Jesus fucking christ. Yet again this place astounds me.
BEn, you’re right, you are no powerlifting expert, his ass is DEFINATELY not 5 inches off the bench. They’re be out cry if there was.
Shizen, Ryan has been the most consistent bencher for the last year or 2 and this has been coming for a long time. I don’t think anyone who actually follows powerlifting was all that surprised.
Oh yeah, and get a colour chart and count the plates. You’ll have to convert from kg back to lbs tho. Think you can manage that??[/quote]
Jesus F’ing Christ!? What’s up with that? NC (No Class!)
[quote]Hanley wrote:
shizen wrote:
BigBen72 wrote:
His ass is a good 5 inches off the bench the whole time.
I am no powerlifting expert, but isn’t that illegal?
It certainly would shorten the ROM.
your right his ass is off the bench its pretty noticeable at that. Also how do you know its 1036 some guy just could have made that number up on youtube-dosnt look like that many plates- the guys last big attempt was what around 900, hard to believe he made such a huge improvement so quick.
Jesus fucking christ. Yet again this place astounds me.
BEn, you’re right, you are no powerlifting expert, his ass is DEFINATELY not 5 inches off the bench. They’re be out cry if there was.
Shizen, Ryan has been the most consistent bencher for the last year or 2 and this has been coming for a long time. I don’t think anyone who actually follows powerlifting was all that surprised.
Oh yeah, and get a colour chart and count the plates. You’ll have to convert from kg back to lbs tho. Think you can manage that??[/quote]
Jesus F’ing Christ!? What’s up with that? NC (No Class!)
[quote]xb100 wrote:
BigBen72 wrote:
His ass is a good 5 inches off the bench the whole time.
I am no powerlifting expert, but isn’t that illegal?
It certainly would shorten the ROM.
I’ve never competed in a powerlifting meet, but the rules over in Ukraine might be different than the rules here.
It’s not our job to judge the lift, the federation he competed in should have judges watching to make sure the lift is completed properly. I’m sure if it were an issue the lift wouldn’t of counted.
Either way, thats 1000+ pounds the guy just pressed, instead of ripping on him for using a shirt or what not give him props for how hard he must have trained to lift that.
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I wasn’t ripping on him, and yes it is very impressive to even be able to hold that much weight in your hands. I was just wondering if this was an official record or if I was mistaken about the rules. People on this website are so touchy.
I know a guy who was at that meet. I have seen a better video of it. It was a good lift of 1036.
If they were fake weights, then they were provided by the “real” killers of Nicole Simpson, probably from the set of the faked moon landing.
As others have pointed out, ass-to-bench contact is hard to call on a front video (unless you see daylight down there).
Yes, he used a brutally-tight, heavily modified bench shirt. So has everyone who has benched over 800 and so has almost everyone who has benched over 600. That’s the deal, Neil.
[quote]chrisarmes wrote:
200-300 isn’t an unrealistic bump from one of these shirts, but only at the highest end of the spectrum. The massive denim ones the best of the best use obviously do give that much support.
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Uhhh… Ryan wasn’t wearing a denim.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
Uhhh… Ryan wasn’t wearing a denim.[/quote]
True 'nough. It was a super jacked-up Inzer Phenom from what I hear.
[quote]Pinto wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Uhhh… Ryan wasn’t wearing a denim.
True 'nough. It was a super jacked-up Inzer Phenom from what I hear.
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Yeah Super Phenomn afaik. Same shirt Gene wears.
And I know for a fact top guys get OVER 300lbs out of there gear (there, I said it). How do I know this? Sean Lattimer admitted it (I say it like he shold be ashamed, he shouldn’t) on fortified iron. He’s put up a best bench of 900+ so if he’s getting more than 300lbs out of his shirt then I can only imagine Ryan (who lets not forget is one of the strongest AND most technical lifters out there) is getting the same or more.
Does this in anywa diminsh his effort? No fucking way.
Does it give the nay-sayers and green eyed monsters yet more ammo? Unfortunately yes.
Do the nay-sayers and green eyed monsters know how much work has gone into getting a 1036 bench? Do they realise that they could wear any gear they wanted and still probably not put up half what Ryan did? Do they realise how much dedication, effort, hurt and pain went into getting the lift? Probably not.
Do they honestly think that there’s more than a handful of the 6+ BILLION people in the world who could EVER hope to achieve the same as Ryan?
They seem to forget that with a few notabale exceptions (Hoornstra and Cieri jump to mind) the strongest guys in the world are still the strongest guys in the world regarldess of what gear they wear?
Mendy held the raw and shirt record for years. Bolton squatted 1000+ in just briefs and pulled 930ish in a singlet.
Seriously people, wake up and smell the cheese. Neither you, nor your training partner, nor that guy you buddy played ball with in high school are in the same league as any of the guys mentioned above. The bottom line is you’re jealous. They out bench you in a shirt, they still out bench you raw. You bitch and whine because somehow twisted logic tells you that since you’re 2 or 300lbs closer to their raw number (which is probably 2-300lbs still ahead of YOUR raw number) you appear to be stronger. And lets face it, why do people get upset cos of the big shirted numbers?
It’s cos it makes their raw numbers look smaller. It’s an ego thing guys. Nothing more. Nothing less.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
And I know for a fact top guys get OVER 300lbs out of there gear (there, I said it).[/quote]
“…For shirts these days to increase your bench by 50-70 pounds.”
It was this comment I was rebutting, Hanley. What I meant was that it’s preposterous to believe that all he got out of his shirt was 70 lbs. I was not taking anything away from what he did. I admire the BALLS required to lay under 300Lbs More then your 1RM and attempt to press it. If anything, this makes his lift more impressive.
I was not trying to take away from what he lifted in anyway.
The only reason I assumed it was denim is in an article by Lattimer, he mentioned blowing out a 3-ply denim pressing 925 in training (Monster Muscle, Late 2006 if anyone was wondering). It made sense that a similar weight would require a similar shirt.
[quote]OneDay wrote:
Furthermore, undeadlift, there is not a drop off in the deadlift as far as world records go. Andrew Bolton will continue to set new marks with the deadlift. However, the deadlift always comes last in a competition, when you have already attempted three max squats and three max benches. How tired would you be?
Also, the suits for the deadlift don’t help nearly as much as the suits for squatting and benching do.[/quote]
Yeah, I know about Andy Bolton. I’m just saying that The bench and squat WRs are heavier than DLs. I’m sure Andy will be able to set new WRs on squats and DLs.
Still, you gave a lot of insights that I didn’t know before. It’s a good thing I mentioned about the WRs. Thanks.
I wonder what would happen if they put deadlifts first…
This is a statement about the sport in general and not about this guy, but those bench shirts are the dumbest fucking thing ever to be invented. Obviously this guy is strong as shit anyway, getting rid of the bench shirts would just bring the numbers down a few hundred pounds or so, its not taking anything away from the lifters, and if you took ten guys with a shirt then that same ten without the shirt and they should end up ranking in the same order strength-wise.
If they dont than the shirt itself is the variable not the lifters strength. Incredible strength just the same, but it seems so weird to need to artificially bump the numbers up like that. Whats next, Olympic lifters wearing suits with huge elastic bands that stretch over the hips? I mean comeon. And yes. I am one of those guys. That is not a bench press it is a shirt press or something else.
Yeah, whatever. Just another case of a guy benching more than he can squat.
[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
Whats next, Olympic lifters wearing suits with huge elastic bands that stretch over the hips? [quote]
That would be fucking awesome! In fact, the other day I was thinking about how cool it would be if there were an alternative to IWF/USAWL. Something like APF or USPF but for Olympic lifting. Weightlifting is a cool sport and I think what the IWF and its affiliate do is great.
But personally, I could care less about whether supportive gear is used or not and I give rat’s ass about drug testing in sport. I don’t care about a press-out or some of the other minor things that get lifts turned down. Give me big strong freaks lifting heavy weight.
[quote]Pinto wrote:
Shadowzz4 wrote:
Whats next, Olympic lifters wearing suits with huge elastic bands that stretch over the hips?
That would be fucking awesome! In fact, the other day I was thinking about how cool it would be if there were an alternative to IWF/USAWL. Something like APF or USPF but for Olympic lifting. Weightlifting is a cool sport and I think what the IWF and its affiliate do is great.
But personally, I could care less about whether supportive gear is used or not and I give rat’s ass about drug testing in sport. I don’t care about a press-out or some of the other minor things that get lifts turned down. Give me big strong freaks lifting heavy weight.
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Dude thats the point!! They are still just as big and just as strong if they dont use those shirts.
I guess when your sport is soley about increasing the amount of weight, it eventually go to the point where if you could increase it even more artificially with a tight shirt, thats the way it had to be. And really this is not a knock on the strength of these guys I just dont understand the need to artificially do it. Even juice is one thing, but adding an external crutch like that?
It seems to me like the guy at the gym “benching” 275 where his friend keeps picking it off his chest, but the guy is really only strong enough to rep 235.
But I will say this, it is the sports fault for allowing the shirts, not the lifters, because if that is your sport and it is allowed and everyone else does it you have to keep it up to even have a chance at competing. So, no hating on the athletes themselves here, just what the sport has turned into.