You always hear about the need for maximal strength to be able to jump high or run fast, and I was thinking to myself “how much do you need to squat to propel a __lb man up 30 inches?” I’ve never seen a study on this before, but I’ve been looking and haven’t found anything. Anyone know of any articles or anything to that nature? General theories?
Use the search function, you’ll find tons of stuff here already. There’s no formula you can use to determine what you’re looking for, as it’s going to be affected by technique, limb length, tendon thickness, reactive ability, rate of force development, and scads of other variables. Kelly Bagget’s Vertical Jump Bible would be an excellent place to start.
I was just curious if somebody had a kind of formula or something. Thought it would be kinda interesting.
There are some general guidelines, but nothing with any concrete numbers. Most people with a vertical jump you’d call “good” will squat at least around 1.5-2x bodyweight.
What height are we talking for a “good” vertical jump?
30+ inches maybe?
Most people I know with a vertical jump around mid thirties can squat 1.5x bodyweight, or very close to it in the case of those with minimal to no squat training.
What kind of high jumping are you talking about? Vertical? Running?
[quote]AssClown wrote:
You always hear about the need for maximal strength to be able to jump high or run fast, and I was thinking to myself “how much do you need to squat to propel a __lb man up 30 inches?” I’ve never seen a study on this before, but I’ve been looking and haven’t found anything. Anyone know of any articles or anything to that nature? General theories?[/quote]
I think that for a legit vertical over 30 inches,athlete needs to back squat at least double his bodyweight.
There isn’t a formula or anything because strength isn’t the only component of how high someone jumps. Limb lengths, tendon attachment points, nervous system efficiency all play a role.
there are tons of guys who can squat double their bodyweight and not jump for shit and vice versa.
[quote]BALBO wrote:
I think that for a legit vertical over 30 inches,athlete needs to back squat at least double his bodyweight.[/quote]
My vertical is over 30 inches, and I have not raw squatted double my bodyweight yet. There are many athletes at a high school level who wouldn’t squat double bodyweight but were faster and higher jumpers than me. I am sure that with training, each one of these athletes would be capable of squatting double bodyweight, but as a standard you are going to have trouble finding many 200+ lbs athletes with minimal to no weight room experience who meet that standard.
I’ve been told I’ve got a pretty decent jump.
I’ve got over a 2X bw squat.
[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
I’ve been told I’ve got a pretty decent jump.
I’ve got over a 2X bw squat. [/quote]
I’ve a pretty crap jump.
I’ve got over a 2x bw squat.
And I jump decently but I only have a 1.6 bw full squat. Go figure.
Future strength gains on the squat will likely help my jump out a lot, whereas maybe Hanley’s jump would benefit more from doing speed/reactive/skill work.
Kelly Baggett put this much more eloquently.
Most athletes I’ve seen who have a legit 30"+ vertical leap (standing jump, measuring one hand reach) can squat 1.5x bodyweight within a few sessions of learning to squat.
I think virtually any human being will increase their vertical leap as they increase relative strength out to 1.5x bodyweight squat. After that though, it all depends.
As many have mentioned there is, in most cases, a correlation between squat and vertical. Up to a certain point squatting more will help, but beyond that ‘point’ -which differs for each person, I’d say it has minimal effects.
Most people who have a solid vertical are good athletes. Notice i didn’t say ‘lifters’: this involves a few things.
Explosiveness and strength, can be improved via lifting.
Plyometrics would help. Body weight matters. Age. Coordination. Along with some natural factors which we can’t change much.
I do believe the two can be rather independent of each other if trained that way. Examples: I went to high school with a kid who could dunk quite easily, 38’’ vertical or more, just a plain ol’ gifted athlete. Never squated, or lifted, a day in 18 years (until we graduated and split ways as far as I know) But I’m sure we all know a guy who can squat a ton, but lives on a ‘bulking’ cycle and can’t jump for beans.
Bottom line: there can be some carry-over, but to get good at one, practice it.
I’ve always been fascinated with vertical jump because I totally suck big time at it. My best was 17in, but normally around 14 inches.
I’m young, athletic, can squat 250-270lbs at 6’2" height, 193lbs. But a 14 inch vertical???
I guess that’s what years of road cycling will do to ya.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
Ghost22 wrote:
I’ve been told I’ve got a pretty decent jump.
I’ve got over a 2X bw squat.
I’ve a pretty crap jump.
I’ve got over a 2x bw squat.
[/quote]
That sums it up.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Ghost22 wrote:
I’ve been told I’ve got a pretty decent jump.
I’ve got over a 2X bw squat.
I’ve a pretty crap jump.
I’ve got over a 2x bw squat.
That sums it up.[/quote]
In what way does that sum it up?
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Ghost22 wrote:
I’ve been told I’ve got a pretty decent jump.
I’ve got over a 2X bw squat.
I’ve a pretty crap jump.
I’ve got over a 2x bw squat.
That sums it up.
In what way does that sum it up?[/quote]
Don’t necessarily need one to do the other. The two can compliment each other, but it isn’t essential. (Examples? See above)
[quote]KiloSprinter wrote:
I’ve always been fascinated with vertical jump because I totally suck big time at it. My best was 17in, but normally around 14 inches.
I’m young, athletic, can squat 250-270lbs at 6’2" height, 193lbs. But a 14 inch vertical???
I guess that’s what years of road cycling will do to ya.[/quote]
It’s lack of speed and your moderately heavy and your squat is okay for your weight.
Bro front squats 145kg, back squts 160Kg @ 69kg bw, lean, is only 5’5 with normal limb lengths has a legit 38" vertical jump. Very sick. Can grab a bball rim standing vertical jump, plate jumps 150cm stand still. Sick athlete but he has also trained hard but on of for 7yrs. Also 103/128Kg in the OLifts at 69Kg, Cleans 130Kg also.
It’s about HOW FAST YOU COME OUT OF THE SQUAT. Not how much weight you shift slowly. Sure squating more will help but squating faster will help. Some lifters squat near maximal weights with only 1second concentrics!
I have a moderately decent vertical. 87Kg, back squat 180kg, 150kg front squat for 3reps. I squat fast up.
An interesting thing I have noticed also is that when lifters get close to or are C&J 2x bw they get near a 40inch vertical jump.
Shane Hammon @ 145-150kg+ @ 5’10, C&J 245kg or so can slam dunk! He was also a World Class PL but I think he was just an all around athlete! I know most guys that can C&J ~ 1.7x can’t slam dunk, even if they are taller or about the same height as him. They also weigh a hell of a lot less. But they also do not have the squating strength that he does.
I hope to slam dunk by the time I get to a 2x bw C&J!
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