cool, then we’re all awesome!!
http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/
That’s the article if you want to take a look-see.
[quote]mom-in-MD wrote:
coffeeeeeeeeee…maybe thats why Im not hungry til like right about now?
Or maybe I’ve done a great job at slowing my metabolism down. But I feel fine, buzzing around getting stuff done. I just went grocery shopping on an empty tummy even. [/quote]
First I give you alot of credit for the shopping thing. I’ve done it before and come home with 5 different kinds of cheese and all sorts of frozen crap.
The IF approach to this diet seems feasible if you can get through the mornings without significant hunger. Theoretically on 1000-1200 cals per day you could have 2 500-600 cal meals which is substantially filling on this diet speaking from experience.
Sample 1200 cal diet:
Waking - 2 cups black coffee (0 cals)
11am - 12 oz chicken breast w/ spinach (375 cals)
5pm - 3 scoops casein (360 cal)
8pm - 16 oz shrimp w/broccoli stir-fry (400 cal)
1135 cals, trace carbs and fat.
[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
[quote]mom-in-MD wrote:
coffeeeeeeeeee…maybe thats why Im not hungry til like right about now?
Or maybe I’ve done a great job at slowing my metabolism down. But I feel fine, buzzing around getting stuff done. I just went grocery shopping on an empty tummy even. [/quote]
First I give you alot of credit for the shopping thing. I’ve done it before and come home with 5 different kinds of cheese and all sorts of frozen crap.
The IF approach to this diet seems feasible if you can get through the mornings without significant hunger. Theoretically on 1000-1200 cals per day you could have 2 500-600 cal meals which is substantially filling on this diet speaking from experience.
Sample 1200 cal diet:
Waking - 2 cups black coffee (0 cals)
11am - 12 oz chicken breast w/ spinach (375 cals)
5pm - 3 scoops casein (360 cal)
8pm - 16 oz shrimp w/broccoli stir-fry (400 cal)
1135 cals, trace carbs and fat.[/quote]
Your body gets used to the feeding schedule. I’m not even hungry right now. Just feel rather empty. I think I’m going to try an IF regimen when I return to a normal diet, as well.
^ right on.
I think I’ve always IF’d it without really knowing it had a label.
I just had a good RFL friendly snack. 1/2 cup cottage cheese and a tbsp sugar free raspberry preserve mixed in…tried mixing in some protein powder but it was way too sweet.
Advanced- would you consider whey/casein breaking the fast? I train in the mornings and always make sure to have at least a little something in the belly. Normally cottage cheese. Otherwise I do it just like that…accept in reverse…
6-8am- coffee
9am- whey
1pm- meal #1
6pm- meal #2
[quote]mom-in-MD wrote:
^ right on.
I think I’ve always IF’d it without really knowing it had a label.
I just had a good RFL friendly snack. 1/2 cup cottage cheese and a tbsp sugar free raspberry preserve mixed in…tried mixing in some protein powder but it was way too sweet.
Advanced- would you consider whey/casein breaking the fast? I train in the mornings and always make sure to have at least a little something in the belly. Normally cottage cheese. Otherwise I do it just like that…accept in reverse…
6-8am- coffee
9am- whey
1pm- meal #1
6pm- meal #2[/quote]
Either whey or casein is fine, I just prefer casein because of the consistency, taste and satiety. At this low-level of calories its really hard to go wrong as long as you stay within your macros and cals.
Not a stellar day here. Energy was fine, but not enough food.
I picked up a cheapo supp and it works pretty good…a little TOO good at dulling the hunger. Thats whats so magic about all these fat loss pills and potions. all they do is blunt your appetite, so DUH!! your bound to lose something…
Chim, I saw your PR…that is stellar all things considered. You must have great mental strength as well!
[quote]mom-in-MD wrote:
Not a stellar day here. Energy was fine, but not enough food.
I picked up a cheapo supp and it works pretty good…a little TOO good at dulling the hunger. Thats whats so magic about all these fat loss pills and potions. all they do is blunt your appetite, so DUH!! your bound to lose something…
Chim, I saw your PR…that is stellar all things considered. You must have great mental strength as well! [/quote]
Thanks MiM, I’ve always been lucky about hitting PRs in a deficit.
It’s weird that you could eat too little on this diet(not in a bad way), but keep going strong on it!
I think our determination takes over. I’ve never felt like crap while lifting on this diet and not losing any strength.
I’ve been dieting for so long with little breaks in between and I’ve only gotten stronger.
To be fair though would either of you classify yourself as close to your maximal strength potential? I’d say the big issue is that it’s run short enough that those who aren’t close to maximal strength potential will still be able to make strength gains on it since your body just has no clue what’s going on. I’d say that the closer you are to your maximal strength potential (naturally) the more it would effect you negatively in terms of strength.
[quote]mom-in-MD wrote:
I think our determination takes over. I’ve never felt like crap while lifting on this diet and not losing any strength.
I’ve been dieting for so long with little breaks in between and I’ve only gotten stronger.[/quote]
What the F. I can barely make it up the stairs.
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
To be fair though would either of you classify yourself as close to your maximal strength potential? I’d say the big issue is that it’s run short enough that those who aren’t close to maximal strength potential will still be able to make strength gains on it since your body just has no clue what’s going on. I’d say that the closer you are to your maximal strength potential (naturally) the more it would effect you negatively in terms of strength.[/quote]
Great point, I was actually thinking about that after I posted it. I’m pretty weak all things considered, so hitting PRs isn’t as impressive as if I were benching 405 or something.
[quote]chimera182 wrote:
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
To be fair though would either of you classify yourself as close to your maximal strength potential? I’d say the big issue is that it’s run short enough that those who aren’t close to maximal strength potential will still be able to make strength gains on it since your body just has no clue what’s going on. I’d say that the closer you are to your maximal strength potential (naturally) the more it would effect you negatively in terms of strength.[/quote]
Great point, I was actually thinking about that after I posted it. I’m pretty weak all things considered, so hitting PRs isn’t as impressive as if I were benching 405 or something.[/quote]
It is impressive regardless of what your PR’s are, because of the fact that you are hitting ANY on such a restrictive diet.
Just don’t lose focus of you main goal while on the RFL, put all you effort into that and your sucess will continue.
It is a good point LM…
having not trained specifically for strength, I’m just glad to be maintaining it…in some lifts getting stronger. I don’t know what my maximum strength potential is, but I always try to lift up to a max weight, and/or get all sets/reps on a particular move and when I can do that I go up in weight.
VIC- isn’t it refeed day?!
My bro just lost 25 lbs in five weeks on this diet.
[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
[quote]chimera182 wrote:
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
To be fair though would either of you classify yourself as close to your maximal strength potential? I’d say the big issue is that it’s run short enough that those who aren’t close to maximal strength potential will still be able to make strength gains on it since your body just has no clue what’s going on. I’d say that the closer you are to your maximal strength potential (naturally) the more it would effect you negatively in terms of strength.[/quote]
Great point, I was actually thinking about that after I posted it. I’m pretty weak all things considered, so hitting PRs isn’t as impressive as if I were benching 405 or something.[/quote]
It is impressive regardless of what your PR’s are, because of the fact that you are hitting ANY on such a restrictive diet.
Just don’t lose focus of you main goal while on the RFL, put all you effort into that and your sucess will continue.[/quote]
Thanks! I’m really buckling down these next 3 weeks so I can make my self-imposed deadline by the first.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
My bro just lost 25 lbs in five weeks on this diet. [/quote]
Congrats to him.
Indeed Chim, I wasn’t trying to say what you have done is unimpressive in regards to strength, because any PR is indeed great! I was simply pondering aloud as to whether this would be different for someone with strength levels closer to their genetic maximum potential. For instance, if Dave Tate went on this I’d argue he’d be hard press to maintain his strength.
How big was he when he started? Shit, if I lost 25 lbs in 5 weeks people wouldn’t recognize me!
[quote]mom-in-MD wrote:
It is a good point LM…
having not trained specifically for strength, I’m just glad to be maintaining it…in some lifts getting stronger. I don’t know what my maximum strength potential is, but I always try to lift up to a max weight, and/or get all sets/reps on a particular move and when I can do that I go up in weight.
VIC- isn’t it refeed day?! [/quote]
Saturday was ‘unplanned’ refeed day. Therefore Sunday is now refeed day.
I think I might add some General Tso’s chicken to the rice.
Sunday.