michelle…I m not a virgin I ve had a lot of women… unclean ones…like you. and my wife was a virgin when we met…a gift you will never be able to give your own husband…he will allways feel less of a man becouse of it!
Low blow John! You need to come off your high horse. There is no reason to attack Michelle! But I’m sure it makes you feel more like a “real man” for doing it. From what you’ve said, you’ve obviously had some problem relationships in your past. I’m sure you’ve been lied to and used, and now any woman who isn’t a virgin just isn’t good enough or “clean” enough for you. Well, it’s a good thing you did marry a virgin. I’m happy that you found someone who is “clean” enough to be your mate. But don’t go attacking other people because they don’t live by your standards. 'nuff said.
you re probably right about me going too far. I was just trying too explain myself. I do however think that only women can loose their virginity.It s ridiculous to talk about men loosing their virginity. there are no physical signs left when that happens! when it comes to a woman, however, there is BLOOD after the first vaginal penetretion! how in hell can anyone compare the virginity of a woman to the virginity of a man?? the virginity of a young innoscent girl is far more prescious! It has always been that way. why is it that women don t respect their virginity anymore? it s becouse they don t respect the man they ll mary in the future! that s why…they don t give a shit.
John…I agree with the doggie dog! My Vixen was married before, and so was I…so I guess she is unclean and not worth it in your opinion. But I will tell you, I have never found a finer woman with more class and self esteem.(and a wildcat when it counts!! LOL) In the right relationship…yes you will have those sentimental moments where you wish that you were each each others “only” but life isn’t always like that. If your not mature enough to get past that then you shouldnt be involved in the first place. Once you have a real serious 100% trust relationship…thats when you can relax and have fun. And THAT is why I got my birthday gift (her and a female friend of hers) because we have a solid relationship based on total trust…but to get that you got to GROW UP A BIT and get your head out of the past!! BTW, Doggie dog…vix and I agreed if you have no one, then you can have curious’s girl first…but after that, Vix is saying she really needs a surrogate, or I gotta lay off the Androsol!! (She is so happy I have to go back to work today!!) Howls!! PEACE NATE!
John a.t., you have hit the nail right on the head again sir! I believe all men really do deep down believe what we do, but they’re submerging it because it truly is hard to find a virgin these days, and there is much less chance for dissapointment if they lower their standards. Fellow T- Men. We have to realize that to lower our standards like this is to accept mediocre women who’ve been tagged numerous times, and have lost the’re value.
Strasser…I truely cannot believe the hypocricy here. Look…if any T-man is a virgin by his own choosing, and waiting for his T-virgin, I 90000% respect and applaud that. But for some t-top wearing bicep flexing t-guy who hits the bars every fri and sat and hooks up with whatever he can (after getting her so drunk she can barely see) to expect to find miss purity is BULL! And to say it is up to the girl to keep pure while you whore around is even worse. Its guys like that who believe women are raped because they were “asking for it” or were “dressed slutty” and it is “all their fault” PLEASE!!! Stop with the sexist crap already!!
by the way nate… women have never cheated on me. not that I know of…and I haven t had the reason to suspect it either…that s not the problem really. the only problem I had in the past was the one I described below:in the past, having a so called pre-fucked woman disturbed me a lot. that s all. and it made me furious and depressed.
John a.t., we all have a primitive part of the brain that causes we men to regard women as our “property.” And we hate to think for a moment that another guy may have trespassed on our property, but live in the here and now. Imagining and thinking about a womans’s past loves is simply self-torture. No man will find it pleasant to visualize their woman with another man (unless he’s into that sort of thing), but reality is that most mature adults have a past, a past that helped to develop them into the people that they are today. When you are with a woman, appreciate the fact that the relationship you are enjoying was made possible by the trials, failures and triumphs in her past.
Whopper, okay then I hit Curious’ girl first! Then you and the wife can have her for your own reindeer games! Ha ha ha ha!
Strasser and John, as for a woman not being pure because she lost her virginity to someone else, it’s the same way for guys too! Hey, I have no problem with people waiting until getting married to have sex. And if one or both are virgins, then that is their decision. And I don’t have a problem with that. But saying that “to lower our standards like this is to accept mediocre women who’ve been tagged numerous times, and have lost the’re value” is wrong. Women are not property, and they haven’t lost anymore “value” than you or I have by having sex with other people. Quit with the double standards.
And if you want some virgins, you better start recruiting middle-schoolers! Because by the time most people (boys & girls) are 16, they’ve already had sex. I do know a couple virgins…and they are young! I think that this has to do with our society and the pressures that teens face today. Especially young, teen-age boys who PRESSURE girls to have sex.
And there is nothing wrong with sex or making love or whatever you want to call it. I think it's a great thing personally! And I'd rather have someone with some experience. I've had some virgins, and they have been a pain. And I'm quite secure with my manhood that I don't let this kind of stuff bother me.
John, have you ever asked your wife if she’s had regrets about not experiencing other guys first? Has she wondered what it would be like to have sex with someone else? Because I think a lot of virgins have those thoughts later in life. I’m not saying that is what your wife is like, but I know it happens to some.
You know, I have read and re-read my previous posts on this thread. Then I look at John AT’s post from earlier today and wonder exactly why he feels justified at making a rather nasty presonal attack. I have never indicated that I have anything but respect for people who save themselves for their husband or wife. I wish I had, but I didn’t…so that makes me ‘unclean’ and -infers- that I am somehow ‘damaged goods’ John, I am truly glad your wife lowered her standards to accept an ‘unclean’ man, since (according to you) that is exactly what she did.
Your double standards are bullsh*t. That is not a personal attack, it is a fact. Anyone who says “it’s ok for me to do something cause I’m a man, but not for you to do it 'cause you’re a woman” is a hypocrite. Possesion of a penis does not give you a different code of ethics.
Thank you, Nate, for defending me. I really appreciate it.
In the 'old days' women bled when they lost their virginity because their hymen (tissue that partially covers the opening of the vagina) tore. In modern times most women have torn theirs by using tampons, riding a bike, or horseback riding (many different 'hard' physical activities can do this)
Virginity is a SYMBOL of purity, and may or may not have physical ‘sign’. If you have had intercourse you are not a virgin - men or women.
I want to thank you gentlemen for so eloquently rebutting some of the sexist, stupid, misogynist statements made in this thread.It gives me great pleasure to read your replys.I would reply myself, but, having been relegated to a second class citizen status in their minds, would not be taken seriously anyway (note the response to Michelle). To bring this dicussion a little bit back toward “muscle talk” I have also run into this attitude at the gym, although, I will say I get some grudging respect when they see me bench 185 and squat 285 and realize I’m not just there as a “fitness chick”.
Hey Nate!! After the three of us…Curious’s girl would never be the same! LMAO!! A Girl, and Michelle, of course we will defend you. I personally have a very beautiful vixen who as I stated, is one of the classiest ladies I have ever had the honor of knowing, and it is most MEN that make me sick. Too many guys think that crude comments and obnoxious behavior attract a woman. The vix is well endowed in the upper body shall we say, and guys have no issue talking to the “twins” as she calls them…instead of her. There are very few places her and I can go without some rude or obnoxious comment being made. Understand, I do not mind…and nor does she the “You are a very atttractive woman” comments however the “Nice cans…jugs…or you want to take a ride on me” comments…well, they just show men at their worst. My only redeeming ideas about this are that I do get “hero lovin” when I get up in their face and defend her!
Not for nothing, but I think a lot of the animosity toward a woman who has slept around not only has to do with the fact that she’s “unpure”, or She fucked to many guys, but also the fact that there’s a personality trait that goes along with this girl. We cannot forget that it was the girls CHOICE to sleep with this many people. Her choices are an extension of her personality. For me personally, It’s obvious that a girl who is 18 or older, most likely has had sex. But… to me it matters how those sexual choices were made. I cannot have animosity toward a girl who has had sex with 5 boyfriends. Obviously she was gonna have sex. Now wether I want to think about it, no, I don’t want to think about it. But It’s understandable that she has done that. Now, to me, a girl who has had sex with 8 guys has more than likely got some mental issues. She can’t keep a boyfriend for very long. and, she obviously dosen’t value sex high on her list. On my side of the stpory, I believe it is more desirable to get a girl who has has less sex, only because it is more unique. She is selective, and I’d feel like I’ve earned it sort of. Something that comes too easily is percieved as having less value.
Come on Nate be a man. Stop trying to sound like a sensitive wus to try to impress the few ladies who read this forum. Both are already taken anyway and from their posts one is an overweight tub of goo and the other is a muscle bound she-male.
Watch it Phil…Nate and myself just have a different viewpoint…one that the ladies seem to agree with…We prefer our women to have a personality and be willing to speak their own mind and be their own person…not just an unthinking “yes dear” kinda girl which is what you seem to want. So leave the doggie dog alone bro!! LOL!
Get over it. It took her 7 other guys to get to you. It was the path that lead her to where you two are. As long as she doesn’t have 7 other guys on the side it’s history.
How many women have you been with? Is it any different? It might bug you but time will soften that if you get the right perspective. If she stays with you it doesn’t matter how many she’s had, she obviously likes you the most. There’s probably 7 other guys wishing they were you about now.
Wow. My last post was made before I read all the immature diatribe about sluts vs. studs etc.
Before I met my wife I led a pretty wild life. I was running around Hawaii in a Corvette, doing coke, booze and girls to much excess and in general enjoying the hell out of myself. So, I can only estimate how many partners I’ve had, it’s closer to 100 than 50. My wife has been with three guys (besides me) and one girl in her life. I liked women but never thought about falling in love because being able to fuck a few girls always appealed to me more than getting stuck with one. Then I met her. You could hear the screeching as my former lifestyle ended that minute. We had sex on our second date, we’ve been married for almost 20 years and both of us have been faithful and continue to be happier than just about anyone I know. She knew all about my past because I had to be honest (I’m no used car salesman) and she accepted it.
Honestly the fact she's been with other guys bugged me a bit. All of my sex to that point had been recreational, hers had been with guys she had emotions for. I got over it. She picked me, I'm still here and that's what counts, not the past.
I matured from my experiences, I learned that people can make some pretty drastic changes. It’s time many of the rest of you do as well.
This all has to do with insecurity. If you treat your girlfriend/wife like she deserves to be treated, then you will have no problem keeping her. You guys who think girls are “unpure” are worried about losing her b/c you are inadequate compared to her past boyfriends/hook-ups. You think she will think you aren’t good enough or don’t satisfy her and then she will stray. Get past that and quit worrying about yourselves and worry about your girl. Also, Phil, what the hell was that? Why don’t you try being a man? Leave that shit out of this forum.
Whopper, let’s do it up! Sounds like it could be fun and Curious’ girl will get the best sex of her life! Do you think Curious would want her back after she made a quick bump up to 11 partners?? Ha Ha!
Phil, why are you attacking me and saying I'm not a man because I don't share the same viewpoint as some of you? I'm not taking some sort of sensitive role to appeal to the ladies. I'm just telling you the straight up truth. There is no need to attack the ladies who have posted because they don't agree with your thoughts. And I have no problem with someone having a certain number of sex partners. When I was younger, that was something I thought about because I was insecure with myself. But once I realized that I was secure with my manhood and sexual abilities, I didn't need to use "number of partners" as a reason to be with someone. In fact, I've never used that as an excuse in a relationship. My ONLY concern with number of partners relates to STD's and whether or not the girl had unprotected sex with a number of partners.
Like I said earlier, I prefer someone who's had experience. And I don't want to be with a virgin who one day wonders what it would be like to have sex with someone else. And then decides to cheat on me or end the relationship because of that. If she's already had some experience, she'll know just what a good thing I am (in and out of bed). I think Scarface said it best in his post. It has to do with your insecurities.
Sorry if I offended anyone. I’ve never been known for being tactful. I just try to be honest and call um like I see um.