thanks man.
yeah it seems natural to double dip. 135 is not heavy at all obviosuly, but I double dip.
I dip, push up, dip again then lock it out.
For pure pressing, I just stick with strict military press. I just thought of incorporating push presses to get more weight in my hands, and pushing it overhead. But if that double dipping action isn’t right I rather stop and try to do just 1 dip, if thats the correct way of doing it.
sounds like you are doing kind of a push jerk my friend. A good exercise too, but may not give you the effect you are looking for. Personally speaking, pushing the head through allows me to lockout more and seems to spread the stress over the delts and upper back.
i did these sets of my version of the push press after doing other heavy shoulder work. i typically don’t lockout with higher reps. If i was to do these heavy, I would push my head through and lock it out. I feel that when i don’t lock it out, it keeps tension on the shoulders.
Damn fine presses marauder (checked the other vids, too).
No matter what some 130 lb “I used to be a real oly-lifter, yo!” kid says on the interwebz.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Damn fine presses marauder (checked the other vids, too).
No matter what some 130 lb “I used to be a real oly-lifter, yo!” kid says on the interwebz.
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thanks bro. everyone is entitled to their opinion.
every movement has it’s own variations. i modify everything to suit my needs and to make me stronger.
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
i did these sets of my version of the push press after doing other heavy shoulder work. i typically don’t lockout with higher reps. If i was to do these heavy, I would push my head through and lock it out. I feel that when i don’t lock it out, it keeps tension on the shoulders.
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I assumed it was TUT work, but I guess some others didn’t. Keep up the great work. I find too many people try to analyze the shit out of non competitive lifts instead of just lifting a heavy weight. Big props from me for doing two thing many people here don’t have the balls to do:
[quote]rasturai wrote:
thanks man.
yeah it seems natural to double dip. 135 is not heavy at all obviosuly, but I double dip.
I dip, push up, dip again then lock it out.
For pure pressing, I just stick with strict military press. I just thought of incorporating push presses to get more weight in my hands, and pushing it overhead. But if that double dipping action isn’t right I rather stop and try to do just 1 dip, if thats the correct way of doing it.[/quote]
If you’re not training to compete in a push press competition of some sort don’t worry about the double dip too much. When working with the correct rep/weight combo these things occur:
1)with each consecutive rep the bar speed will decrease
2)with each consecutive rep the ROM decreases
3) combination of the two
As long as your form is close to that of a press and you don’t look like an epileptic snake doing it you’ll be OK.
BTW throw in some press-outs at the end of your set and watch your press skyrocket (short range press - from 1 to 2 inches below lock out to lock out, add reverse shrug on top for even more fun).
The following narrative is to be spoken in a slang Bronx accent
“Duhhh… hey Meat Boss… you want I should take deez guys here that disrespectin’ yoo out behind da wood pile for a liddle talkin’ to”?
Seriously… this is too damn funny.
Meat, I would like to thank you for the time, expertise and the advice/ assistance/ inspiration you have offered/ given to hundreds (if not thousands) of people on this site, other sites and in person.
With you, this world is a better place, and squirrels are better understood.
C’mere and give me a man hug… you furry little devil you!
[quote]Rick Jakubowski wrote:
I agree with most, except that it was designed as an assistance lift to the jerk. It was originally an assistance lift to the OL press. The are some that believe that Pressing & Power Pressing has some detriment to Jerk speed (don’t have a reference right now, but I either read it on on the Dynamic site, or heard it from Bud C directly).[/quote]
Fair enough. I’ve never trained the Press, so I didn’t even think of that as a possibility. I still find it useful for the jerk in teaching athletes to really jump and throw their legs into it.
I think I’ve read that research off of Charniga’s site. I don’t completely buy it - when my shoulder strength is up, all things being equal, I snap under jerks a lot better. Its probably an issue of technique - if you have reasonably good technique on the jerk, the extra strength likely helps. If you are the type to just try to muscle it over your head, the pressing strength would probably be detrimental as it would probably make you want to shoulder press it even more as opposed to leg drive + pushing under.
[quote]bunny7568 wrote:
The following narrative is to be spoken in a slang Bronx accent
“Duhhh… hey Meat Boss… you want I should take deez guys here that disrespectin’ yoo out behind da wood pile for a liddle talkin’ to”?
Seriously… this is too damn funny.
Meat, I would like to thank you for the time, expertise and the advice/ assistance/ inspiration you have offered/ given to hundreds (if not thousands) of people on this site, other sites and in person.
With you, this world is a better place, and squirrels are better understood.
C’mere and give me a man hug… you furry little devil you![/quote]
thanks bro… that brings a tear to my squirrel’s one good eye:)
i would give you a hug but then i would be afraid i would then have to by you dinner:)
[quote]Dr. Manhattan wrote:
Rick Jakubowski wrote:
I agree with most, except that it was designed as an assistance lift to the jerk. It was originally an assistance lift to the OL press.
The are some that believe that Pressing & Power Pressing has some detriment to Jerk speed (don’t have a reference right now, but I either read it on on the Dynamic site, or heard it from Bud C directly).
Fair enough. I’ve never trained the Press, so I didn’t even think of that as a possibility. I still find it useful for the jerk in teaching athletes to really jump and throw their legs into it.
I think I’ve read that research off of Charniga’s site. I don’t completely buy it - when my shoulder strength is up, all things being equal, I snap under jerks a lot better. Its probably an issue of technique - if you have reasonably good technique on the jerk, the extra strength likely helps. If you are the type to just try to muscle it over your head, the pressing strength would probably be detrimental as it would probably make you want to shoulder press it even more as opposed to leg drive + pushing under.[/quote]
Bud is very black and white. I still teach the press and power press, I think strong shoulders and triceps are big and often neglected factor in injury prevention for OLers.
I think it depends on whether you are using a little leg drive ala Meat or push jerking the weight ala oly man.
I think that both have benefits, push jerking Ive done 110kg although I think I probably have the strength to do 130ish I dont have the form.
I couldnt perform them the way Meat does- holding the bar in the bottom position- id would murder my shoulders. What a guy eh 
This is what I like about the deadlift. If you can lift it, you can lift it, but You’ll get fucked up really quick if you do it wrong. With a shortened range of motion press or push press, it takes years for the damage due to imbalances to be done, so there tends to be a lot more room for everyone’s perception of correct form.
[quote]1000rippedbuff wrote:
This is what I like about the deadlift. If you can lift it, you can lift it, but You’ll get fucked up really quick if you do it wrong. With a shortened range of motion press or push press, it takes years for the damage due to imbalances to be done, so there tends to be a lot more room for everyone’s perception of correct form.[/quote]
Nothing wrong with using shortened ROM as a training tool. Problems occur if short ROM is the only tool used.
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
here’s a couple from my youtube-
315x8
225x25
i weigh anywhere between 260-290 depending on if i’m training for a comp or not. [/quote]
Dude,
You’re a fucking beast.
Nice lifts.
[quote]Rick Jakubowski wrote:
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In 1948 maybe , but not in 1972. Did you ever press in a comp ???, just wondering
my memory is -
slump and soften your knee lock (bend knees)
kick with everything
lay back as fast as you could
press through with as much layback as your lower back could take
straighten torso to the applause.
they never should have dropped it.
It just wouldn’t seem right to talk about push presses without sharing Misha doing his 440x3 with those who haven’t seen it:
[quote]dfreezy wrote:
It just wouldn’t seem right to talk about push presses without sharing Misha doing his 440x3 with those who haven’t seen it:
Koklyaev Misha push press 200 kg/ 440 lb *3 times. - YouTube [/quote]
That was really really BIG!
[quote]dfreezy wrote:
It just wouldn’t seem right to talk about push presses without sharing Misha doing his 440x3 with those who haven’t seen it:
You know what, I felt shitty enough about my pathetic push press after watching Meat’s vids. Then you go and make me watch this freakin’ monster doing push presses. F*ck me…
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
here’s a couple from my youtube-
315x8
225x25
i weigh anywhere between 260-290 depending on if i’m training for a comp or not. [/quote]
here I am, having trouble with less than 70 pounds 