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[quote]Tankman4411 wrote:
thanks for all the post guys any information is appriciated. i never stated i could not do pull ups or did not advocate heavy guys doing them. if you read i stat that i always did them but have had pain lately. also the pain is almost non existant anymore after all the stretching and shoulder blade exercises i have been doing. between all of your guys info and me going and seeing my physical therapist the issue is all but gone.

the videos are pretty cool im always amazed when someone takes anything to the next level.

not a huge fan of the kipping pull up though. but that guy is a monster so it probally works for him.

thanks[/quote]

haha, point taken. what also probably works for him is his 925lb deadlift without even wearing a belt, haha.

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How do you get all that work done in less than 90 minutes? You can’t be resting long between sets there. Are you able to increase poundages still or are you progressing in other ways?

Btw, have you ever trained with lower volume like Yates did, and how did that work for ya?

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I’d be curious to see what kinds of weights you’re moving also, but understand not wanting to share.

just wanted to pop in and say I tried your insane volume leg day (had to tone down the volume by probably 15-20% lol) and I had crippling DOMS for a full 7 days. Insanity.

I hope you keep posting bro.

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[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
I’d be curious to see what kinds of weights you’re moving also, but understand not wanting to share.

just wanted to pop in and say I tried your insane volume leg day (had to tone down the volume by probably 15-20% lol) and I had crippling DOMS for a full 7 days. Insanity.

I hope you keep posting bro.[/quote]
Crippling you say? DAMN!

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Couple questions brotha— How long did you find it took you to adjust to all this pre-exhaust with your strength? How long did it take your “money” exercises to return to the poundages you were using before starting the pre-exhaust madness? Also, What’ve you found to make your biceps grow the most at this point in your training career? [/quote]

to be honest man the last program i did outside of high volume was wendler 5/3/1 which was a great program. slow and steady gains.(i liked it better than dc) my problem is i have been doing volume for so long if i dont just kill it in the gym i dont really feel like i have done much. but to answer your questions i usally do one exercise very heavy and for strength on the first exercise. this is where i gauge where my strength is. it took me around a month for all the weights to rebound. as long as i see progress in muscle growth i really dont care about strength. i know this sounds stupid but it will be there when i need it. as far as biceps go, i do one all out heavy ass set then its all about keeping those bad boys full of blood. i rip through my work outs with very little rest keeping the pump flexing inbetween sets keeping the blood in the muscle.

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[quote]icyhotpatch1 wrote:
I like this thread. I’m going to give that shoulder workout you posted a go today and see what it’s like. [/quote]

let me know how it goes. i would like to hear what other people think>.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Tankman4411 wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:
Tank what knid of numbers are putting up if you don’t mind me asking?[/quote]

if you are asking how much weight i use on the exercises i perfer not to say. [/quote]
yea that’s what I was asking[/quote]

LOL…and the responses on this board any time other people mention it should let you know why people avoid it lately. This is the same reason I will not be mentioning how much I weigh from here on out. People seem to just want numbers lately so they have more to complain about.

In fact, I would recommend people who do take this seriously avoid even getting into that with people. [/quote]

sad but true this is why i avoid telling my weights. its just not tnation though its seems to be a trend on the internet. everyone seems to always be coming from a place of hate or negitism. if you cant tell i am a very positive person and try to learn from everyone. this is why i try not to open the door for negativity. not worth my time or energy for someone who dosnt know me or the hours of blood,sweat and sacrifice i have put in to this, to tell me that i cant do or accomplish something.

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[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
How do you get all that work done in less than 90 minutes? You can’t be resting long between sets there. Are you able to increase poundages still or are you progressing in other ways?

Btw, have you ever trained with lower volume like Yates did, and how did that work for ya?

[/quote]

yes i fly through my workouts, i am an advocate of holding peak contractions and keep flexing during my short rest periods. i pump up like a puffer fish i love it. yes i have done dc,bbb, and 5/3/1. they worked really well, my only gripe was with dc and bbb the weights got so freakin heavy i had to have raps,belts,braces,and a lifting partner. 5/3/1 is my personal fav i just like volume. it works the best for me.

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[quote]Tankman4411 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Tankman4411 wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:
Tank what knid of numbers are putting up if you don’t mind me asking?[/quote]

if you are asking how much weight i use on the exercises i perfer not to say. [/quote]
yea that’s what I was asking[/quote]

LOL…and the responses on this board any time other people mention it should let you know why people avoid it lately. This is the same reason I will not be mentioning how much I weigh from here on out. People seem to just want numbers lately so they have more to complain about.

In fact, I would recommend people who do take this seriously avoid even getting into that with people. [/quote]

sad but true this is why i avoid telling my weights. its just not tnation though its seems to be a trend on the internet. everyone seems to always be coming from a place of hate or negitism. if you cant tell i am a very positive person and try to learn from everyone. this is why i try not to open the door for negativity. not worth my time or energy for someone who dosnt know me or the hours of blood,sweat and sacrifice i have put in to this, to tell me that i cant do or accomplish something. [/quote]

True. I am working on being more positive. You’ve made great progress. Don’t give them anything to fuss over and keep doing your thing. I think most just use the numbers to measure themselves by anyway.

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[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
I’d be curious to see what kinds of weights you’re moving also, but understand not wanting to share.

just wanted to pop in and say I tried your insane volume leg day (had to tone down the volume by probably 15-20% lol) and I had crippling DOMS for a full 7 days. Insanity.

I hope you keep posting bro.[/quote]

see what i mean, you feel like you did something… i love it

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[quote]Tankman4411 wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
How do you get all that work done in less than 90 minutes? You can’t be resting long between sets there. Are you able to increase poundages still or are you progressing in other ways?

Btw, have you ever trained with lower volume like Yates did, and how did that work for ya?

[/quote]

yes i fly through my workouts, i am an advocate of holding peak contractions and keep flexing during my short rest periods. i pump up like a puffer fish i love it. yes i have done dc,bbb, and 5/3/1. they worked really well, my only gripe was with dc and bbb the weights got so freakin heavy i had to have raps,belts,braces,and a lifting partner. 5/3/1 is my personal fav i just like volume. it works the best for me. [/quote]

I just recently decreased my rest between sets. Workouts that would usually take me an hour or more are now being done in about 30-40min…including any work like sprints. I don’t think training like this would have put the initial size on me, but it seems to be doing its just as far as conditioning.

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[quote]Tankman4411 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Tankman4411 wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:
Tank what knid of numbers are putting up if you don’t mind me asking?[/quote]

if you are asking how much weight i use on the exercises i perfer not to say. [/quote]
yea that’s what I was asking[/quote]

LOL…and the responses on this board any time other people mention it should let you know why people avoid it lately. This is the same reason I will not be mentioning how much I weigh from here on out. People seem to just want numbers lately so they have more to complain about.

In fact, I would recommend people who do take this seriously avoid even getting into that with people. [/quote]

sad but true this is why i avoid telling my weights. its just not tnation though its seems to be a trend on the internet. everyone seems to always be coming from a place of hate or negitism. if you cant tell i am a very positive person and try to learn from everyone. this is why i try not to open the door for negativity. not worth my time or energy for someone who dosnt know me or the hours of blood,sweat and sacrifice i have put in to this, to tell me that i cant do or accomplish something. [/quote]

If this is going to be a long running log it would be cool to see weight lifted to see when you progres in weight, changes made that affect weight used, and the overall affect on your physique. and it’s more fun.

Maybe instead of saying wieght lifted you could note whether you are up five pounds from the previous week, up a few reps, etc. Good work man, and thanks for making the 100 rep leg ext. all the rage lately lol

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I wouldn’t say shit. If people can argue for pages that you aren’t 6 feet tall because of a weight mentioned, it is best to just leave it alone. That type of attitude will only run off all of the people here who actually do look like this guy.

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I agree. Posting weights will do nothing but bring out the 140 lb guys with their cries of disbelief.

Tank, do you think a guy needs to hit certain strength levels before trying the high volume thing? I think for me personally, my poundages would stall instantly if I tried doing what you do. Then again, I never tried it :slight_smile:

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[quote]Tankman4411 wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Couple questions brotha— How long did you find it took you to adjust to all this pre-exhaust with your strength? How long did it take your “money” exercises to return to the poundages you were using before starting the pre-exhaust madness? Also, What’ve you found to make your biceps grow the most at this point in your training career? [/quote]

to be honest man the last program i did outside of high volume was wendler 5/3/1 which was a great program. slow and steady gains.(i liked it better than dc) my problem is i have been doing volume for so long if i dont just kill it in the gym i dont really feel like i have done much. but to answer your questions i usally do one exercise very heavy and for strength on the first exercise. this is where i gauge where my strength is. it took me around a month for all the weights to rebound. as long as i see progress in muscle growth i really dont care about strength. i know this sounds stupid but it will be there when i need it. as far as biceps go, i do one all out heavy ass set then its all about keeping those bad boys full of blood. i rip through my work outs with very little rest keeping the pump flexing inbetween sets keeping the blood in the muscle. [/quote]

Ain’t nothin wrong with going after mass. I was just curious. Personally if you’re after getting big as hell then the strength, while important in a general sense, isn’t the big thing. I was just curious because of the powerlifter inside me lol.

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[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
I agree. Posting weights will do nothing but bring out the 140 lb guys with their cries of disbelief.

Tank, do you think a guy needs to hit certain strength levels before trying the high volume thing? I think for me personally, my poundages would stall instantly if I tried doing what you do. Then again, I never tried it :)[/quote]

See, mine stalled as well when I switched to CT’s style of training in complexes and sled work etc., which is pretty similar in concept to Tanks regarding overall volume, pace, and holding peak contractions etc.

But after about 4 weeks they came back again. Most people simply stop because their numbers go down…really what that is is your body learning to improve its work capacity. This is a problem a powerlifter friend of mine has–it’s all psychological, much like “big man syndrome”. He keeps saying “Oh i don’t want to do sled presses today, it’ll make my ME bench suffer tomorrow/day after”. Stuff like that.

Maybe true for the short term, but bottom line is if you’re so out of shape that 5 30 yard trips of sled pressing is that much of a tax, you need to get your ass in gear anyways.

Anyways, long term I have found as long as you are eating enough and taking care of workout nutrition (which is essential IMO cuz I doubt I could do all this without it), then your body adapts. Most people just hate seeing the numbers go down in the first 2-3 weeks and quit. They start coming back up immediately after.

As for Tanks personal system, I’ll let him comment on that. This is just a general thing I have noticed in myself and others when increasing volume and decreasing rest intervals. Probably wouldn’t do that universally if I wasn’t already fairly strong, I’d probably put the first exercise of the day or two on “all-out heavy” mode, then use the rest of the workout to do the high volume thing. But I would really be interested in Tank’s opinion!

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[quote]ty_ty13 wrote:
what does your average day diet look like?[/quote]

oh man i am not kind of inbetween bulking and cutting right now. its to hot to start bulking because its 110 degrees outside. so i am maintaining. so i will give an example of what i ate yesterday.

meal one: 15 egg whites two cups of oat meal and one oz of almonds

pre work out mix

training intra work out drink

post workout two scoops of protein and three scoops of cell tech

an hour later two chicken breasts one cup of rice

meal four: i ate a triple cheese burger from a mom and pops place around the corner

meal five: 12 oz steak two servings of asparagus

meal six: two scoops of protein and 2oz of almonds

meal seven: two table spoons of peanut butter and 15 egg whites.

woke up in the middle of the night and had two scoops of protein and a bowl of ice cream lol

pretty crappy right now… all well.

kind of eating what i want lately.

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[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
I agree. Posting weights will do nothing but bring out the 140 lb guys with their cries of disbelief.

Tank, do you think a guy needs to hit certain strength levels before trying the high volume thing? I think for me personally, my poundages would stall instantly if I tried doing what you do. Then again, I never tried it :)[/quote]

yes actually i do, i think everyone should use programs like 5/3/1 programs to build strength and strengthen tendons and ligaments. the volume type training is deffinatly for people that know how there body works and have a good muscle mind connection. if you just go in there and start slinging lots of weights and reps around you are going to hurt your self. if you have been lifting for a while and have built a good base i say go for it. be patient volume is a lot of trail and error. thats why 5/3/1 is so great slow and steady progress over trail and error.

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
I agree. Posting weights will do nothing but bring out the 140 lb guys with their cries of disbelief.

Tank, do you think a guy needs to hit certain strength levels before trying the high volume thing? I think for me personally, my poundages would stall instantly if I tried doing what you do. Then again, I never tried it :)[/quote]

See, mine stalled as well when I switched to CT’s style of training in complexes and sled work etc., which is pretty similar in concept to Tanks regarding overall volume, pace, and holding peak contractions etc.

But after about 4 weeks they came back again. Most people simply stop because their numbers go down…really what that is is your body learning to improve its work capacity. This is a problem a powerlifter friend of mine has–it’s all psychological, much like “big man syndrome”. He keeps saying “Oh i don’t want to do sled presses today, it’ll make my ME bench suffer tomorrow/day after”. Stuff like that.

Maybe true for the short term, but bottom line is if you’re so out of shape that 5 30 yard trips of sled pressing is that much of a tax, you need to get your ass in gear anyways.

Anyways, long term I have found as long as you are eating enough and taking care of workout nutrition (which is essential IMO cuz I doubt I could do all this without it), then your body adapts. Most people just hate seeing the numbers go down in the first 2-3 weeks and quit. They start coming back up immediately after.

As for Tanks personal system, I’ll let him comment on that. This is just a general thing I have noticed in myself and others when increasing volume and decreasing rest intervals. Probably wouldn’t do that universally if I wasn’t already fairly strong, I’d probably put the first exercise of the day or two on “all-out heavy” mode, then use the rest of the workout to do the high volume thing. But I would really be interested in Tank’s opinion![/quote]

once again or views are very similar. i agree with what you said. i do the all out heavy mode on the first set on all muscle groups but legs. for some reason my legs respond better after a nice pre exhaustion blitz.

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Impressive stuff in here, crazy back shot