[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
its_just_me wrote:
If you weigh under 220lbs (unless you’re a midget), please watch and learn lol.
Moron[/quote]
x2. I don’t mind giving advice, but at 211lbs (as of this morning), I must only “watch, learn, and laugh out loud.”
The advice is already out there. You just have to find it.
Have fun.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
its_just_me wrote:
If you weigh under 220lbs (unless you’re a midget), please watch and learn lol.
Moron
Then set him straight…but calling the one guy who logs in asking for the help of the bigger lifters a moron is also quite moronic. He’s basically just asking for direction. I am way more open to people asking me for advice in the gym than I am dumbasses who think they know everything or imply that everyone with big muscles somehow got them by accident.
Therefore:
There are many advanced lifters who are under 220lbs who still look impressive. Stu on this site is one (even though I do believe he has been past 220lbs before). 1morerep on this site isn’t looking too bad either.
As far as this topic, there is no way in hell you are “overtraining” in one training session. The rest of what you wrote implies that you are very turned around and retyping everything stated over the last 9 years here is not something I plan to do. You can read that thread in the best of T-Nation thread about how I train. I am also assuming you don’t ramp up in weight if you are averaging 7 reps every single set.
You have a lot of reading to do.[/quote]
Upon reflection, that was a pretty stupid comment for me to make (“If you weigh under 220lbs”), I guess it’s mainly because all of the role-models I’ve seen have all been 200lbs+. And usually one gets blasted on here for not looking towards the “big guys” for help.
Anyway, thanks for the direction!
As regards overtraining, I meant that after a few weeks I start to stagnate (and show symptoms of overtraining) on my current program. I go to failure on every set. First sets about 6 reps, then I reduce weight by about 10% and do 7 reps etc.
[quote]JN7844 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
its_just_me wrote:
If you weigh under 220lbs (unless you’re a midget), please watch and learn lol.
Moron
x2. I don’t mind giving advice, but at 211lbs (as of this morning), I must only “watch, learn, and laugh out loud.”[/quote]
OK, I put my hands up - I was stupid…have a good laugh.
In regards to your deadlift stalling while your squat is still progressing. Honestly I’m surprised it isn’t obvious to you, but anyway. You are doing deadlifts AFTER squats every time. Switch it up every other session. Your squat will be less when it’s after deadlift, but you will be amazed at what you can pull when your fresh vs. after squats.
Another suggestion would be to not do squats and deadlifts on the same day. Why don’t you move to a 4-way upper lower instead?
Mon- push, pull
Tues- squats + accessory
Thurs- push, pull
Fri- deadlifts + accessory
[quote]trextacy wrote:
Wow.
(1) You aren’t doing enough work and aren’t even remotely within the universe that could be considered overtraining. Doing 2-3 sets of military press per week at 7 reps per set is barely a workout for shoulders, much less adequate work to stimulate growth.
(2) Hate to break it to you, but if you are currently 25 years old, 200 lbs at >10% BF, you WILL NEVER, EVER REACH A LEAN (10%-ISH) 230 LBS…by the time you are 30, or any time for that matter (not naturally). Not going to happen chief. Just look at the new Shelby Starnes interview that was posted today- there is a similar question posed. People don’t get how awesome a “lean 230” is these days- natural or otherwise. If you had the genetics for that you would already be much closer to it.
(3) somatypes like “ectomorph” are basically bullshit and have no basis in actual science.
(4) If you want to do a split, do a basic 3-way split and get in the gym 5 days per week. OR, if you want to keep things closer to your current set up, do an upper push, and upper pull, and some sort of lower body movement 3 days per week, with 2 days for arms/abs/calves. Use rep schemes like 10x3, 15x1, etc. so you are working at a higher % of your 1RM more of the time. Your working weight will go up quicker this way and the # of sets will ensure sufficient total workload to cause hypertrophy.
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Thanks for the advice!
How about 215lbs @6foot? lol Is that out of the question for someone natural?
I thought that reaching about 3lbs/inch in height was roughly the upper limit for a natural person?
[quote]cueball wrote:
In regards to your deadlift stalling while your squat is still progressing. Honestly I’m surprised it isn’t obvious to you, but anyway. You are doing deadlifts AFTER squats every time. Switch it up every other session. Your squat will be less when it’s after deadlift, but you will be amazed at what you can pull when your fresh vs. after squats.
Another suggestion would be to not do squats and deadlifts on the same day. Why don’t you move to a 4-way upper lower instead?
Mon- push, pull
Tues- squats + accessory
Thurs- push, pull
Fri- deadlifts + accessory[/quote]
Lol, it does look obvious. I just wonder why I could make progress at the start of the cycle with the deadlifts, but not towards the end (despite other exercises progressing)?
Thanks for the suggested routine though, makes good sense. I’d much rather do the biggest lifts on their own like in that routine 
I’ll soon find out if it’s the order…
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
Lol, it does look obvious. I just wonder why I could make progress at the start of the cycle with the deadlifts, but not towards the end (despite other exercises progressing)?[/quote]
I would say because the farther you progressed with your squats, more intensity was needed to complete that exercise. This left less gas for the deadlifts, and after a certain point you didn’t have enough to continue progressing on both.
Anyone ever hear - if you don’t have something nice to say then don’t say it at all?
The OP is asking some legit questions but then gets jumped on. I could sit here all fucking day and write “moron” under posts that I think are moronic but that’s not productive and doesn’t make for a helpful website. I see this happen to legit posts all the time because some 16 year old shithead doesn’t even bother to read the original post.
Is it that hard to be nice?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
its_just_me wrote:
If you weigh under 220lbs (unless you’re a midget), please watch and learn lol.
Moron
Then set him straight…but calling the one guy who logs in asking for the help of the bigger lifters a moron is also quite moronic. He’s basically just asking for direction. I am way more open to people asking me for advice in the gym than I am dumbasses who think they know everything or imply that everyone with big muscles somehow got them by accident.
Therefore:
There are many advanced lifters who are under 220lbs who still look impressive. Stu on this site is one (even though I do believe he has been past 220lbs before). 1morerep on this site isn’t looking too bad either.
As far as this topic, there is no way in hell you are “overtraining” in one training session. The rest of what you wrote implies that you are very turned around and retyping everything stated over the last 9 years here is not something I plan to do. You can read that thread in the best of T-Nation thread about how I train. I am also assuming you don’t ramp up in weight if you are averaging 7 reps every single set.
You have a lot of reading to do.[/quote]
I hear this type of tone all too often, to be honest (not your tone, the OPs). It bothers me a little bit. Not because I feel inadequate at all. Just because I can’t stand people who think they are above other people and therefore cant benefit from advice from certain sources.
This guy is just another unmotivated underachiever. Couple that with the arrogance and I really can’t be bothered to set him straight. And I’m also not the type to just ignore it. Oh well.
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
trextacy wrote:
Wow.
(1) You aren’t doing enough work and aren’t even remotely within the universe that could be considered overtraining. Doing 2-3 sets of military press per week at 7 reps per set is barely a workout for shoulders, much less adequate work to stimulate growth.
(2) Hate to break it to you, but if you are currently 25 years old, 200 lbs at >10% BF, you WILL NEVER, EVER REACH A LEAN (10%-ISH) 230 LBS…by the time you are 30, or any time for that matter (not naturally). Not going to happen chief. Just look at the new Shelby Starnes interview that was posted today- there is a similar question posed. People don’t get how awesome a “lean 230” is these days- natural or otherwise. If you had the genetics for that you would already be much closer to it.
(3) somatypes like “ectomorph” are basically bullshit and have no basis in actual science.
(4) If you want to do a split, do a basic 3-way split and get in the gym 5 days per week. OR, if you want to keep things closer to your current set up, do an upper push, and upper pull, and some sort of lower body movement 3 days per week, with 2 days for arms/abs/calves. Use rep schemes like 10x3, 15x1, etc. so you are working at a higher % of your 1RM more of the time. Your working weight will go up quicker this way and the # of sets will ensure sufficient total workload to cause hypertrophy.
Thanks for the advice!
How about 215lbs @6foot? lol Is that out of the question for someone natural?
I thought that reaching about 3lbs/inch in height was roughly the upper limit for a natural person?[/quote]
I don’t think it’s out of the question, and I’m not touching the natural limits argument on this thread (it’s been beaten to death) but in pretty lean condition, 215 lbs would be damn good and take several years. You aren’t a newb and are well outside of puberty, so 5-8 lbs of actual muscle per year is a good goal.
If you are serious, have a reliable bodyfat measurement taken, see where you stand, how much LBM you are really carrying, and set a goal for 2010 and work at it in increments.
I think that working in the heavier poundages (so higher sets/fewer reps per set), more frequently, focusing on big upper push/pulls and squats/deads, with plenty of direct arm/calf work is the “best” way for most white guys with normal genetics to build muscle…when coupled with a lower carb diet (with carbs timed throughout the week al a carb cycling) you can build the most muscle and lose fat. you can sprinkle in higher rep work from time to time for the shock value.
This is the way most strong/lean natural guys i personally know (or am aware of) train-- more “powerbuilding” with rational nutritional regime.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
its_just_me wrote:
If you weigh under 220lbs (unless you’re a midget), please watch and learn lol.
Moron
Then set him straight…but calling the one guy who logs in asking for the help of the bigger lifters a moron is also quite moronic. He’s basically just asking for direction. I am way more open to people asking me for advice in the gym than I am dumbasses who think they know everything or imply that everyone with big muscles somehow got them by accident.
Therefore:
There are many advanced lifters who are under 220lbs who still look impressive. Stu on this site is one (even though I do believe he has been past 220lbs before). 1morerep on this site isn’t looking too bad either.
As far as this topic, there is no way in hell you are “overtraining” in one training session. The rest of what you wrote implies that you are very turned around and retyping everything stated over the last 9 years here is not something I plan to do. You can read that thread in the best of T-Nation thread about how I train. I am also assuming you don’t ramp up in weight if you are averaging 7 reps every single set.
You have a lot of reading to do.
I hear this type of tone all too often, to be honest (not your tone, the OPs). It bothers me a little bit. Not because I feel inadequate at all. Just because I can’t stand people who think they are above other people and therefore cant benefit from advice from certain sources.
This guy is just another unmotivated underachiever. Couple that with the arrogance and I really can’t be bothered to set him straight. And I’m also not the type to just ignore it. Oh well.
[/quote]
people feel obligated to use that tone and make those statements due to the stranglehold that certain asshole posters who dominate this board have on discussions (hint: look at the thread title). so, unless you cop a faux hardcore attitude, fit narrowly within the accepted defintion of what constitutes “bodybuilding”, advocate avoidance of machines most of the time or aren’t keen on pushing your bodyweight up at all costs, you are deemed unworthy and will get shat on. so, OP, in his ignorance, attempted to play within those rules by appealing only to hardcore types and throwing out an arbitrary weight to try to fall in line with that and get good responses.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
I hear this type of tone all too often, to be honest (not your tone, the OPs). It bothers me a little bit. Not because I feel inadequate at all. Just because I can’t stand people who think they are above other people and therefore cant benefit from advice from certain sources.
This guy is just another unmotivated underachiever. Couple that with the arrogance and I really can’t be bothered to set him straight. And I’m also not the type to just ignore it. Oh well.
[/quote]
I’m sorry if this is how my question came across…it’s just my sense of humour (not meant to be offensive). I totally don’t think I’m above everyone else, I still am pretty insecure lol. It doesn’t matter how big I would get, I’m not the sort of person who would let it go to my head. Just look at my user-name…hardly the type of title given to an arrogant person.
It’s pretty harsh judging me like that from one question is it not?
sorry dude, i’m only 217lbs + i’ve only trained w/out time off for three years or so. All the reading, researching, and training that i do day in and out isn’t applicable. Fuck why do i bother reading and learning so much, why bother eating and training day in and out?
i guess i’ll just keep focusing on ME.
[quote]trextacy wrote:
5-8 lbs of actual muscle per year is a good goal.
[/quote]
The more I’ve learned/experienced, the more I’ve come to realise that is so true.
[quote]cyruseven75 wrote:
sorry dude, i’m only 217lbs + i’ve only trained w/out time off for three years or so. All the reading, researching, and training that i do day in and out isn’t applicable. Fuck why do i bother reading and learning so much, why bother eating and training day in and out?
i guess i’ll just keep focusing on ME.[/quote]
Haha…my apologies to you too
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
sam_sneed wrote:
its_just_me wrote:
Tatsu wrote:
I would like to see some pictures of the OP, who is asking for advanced advice. 200lbs @ 6" isn’t impressive.
Did I say it was impressive?
I’m a growing lad, looking for some ADVICE…is that too much to ask for?
No it’s not too much to ask for. But you do realize that you’re backhandedly insulting many people on this forum more developed than you when you yourself are nowhere near the qualification you required?
Shit like that only works when you’ve accomplished above and beyond.
Ok, I’m sorry for that. I’m still getting used to this site [/quote]
Really?
You’ve been here for 3 years!
LR
[quote]trextacy wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
its_just_me wrote:
If you weigh under 220lbs (unless you’re a midget), please watch and learn lol.
Moron
Then set him straight…but calling the one guy who logs in asking for the help of the bigger lifters a moron is also quite moronic. He’s basically just asking for direction. I am way more open to people asking me for advice in the gym than I am dumbasses who think they know everything or imply that everyone with big muscles somehow got them by accident.
Therefore:
There are many advanced lifters who are under 220lbs who still look impressive. Stu on this site is one (even though I do believe he has been past 220lbs before). 1morerep on this site isn’t looking too bad either.
As far as this topic, there is no way in hell you are “overtraining” in one training session. The rest of what you wrote implies that you are very turned around and retyping everything stated over the last 9 years here is not something I plan to do. You can read that thread in the best of T-Nation thread about how I train. I am also assuming you don’t ramp up in weight if you are averaging 7 reps every single set.
You have a lot of reading to do.
I hear this type of tone all too often, to be honest (not your tone, the OPs). It bothers me a little bit. Not because I feel inadequate at all. Just because I can’t stand people who think they are above other people and therefore cant benefit from advice from certain sources.
This guy is just another unmotivated underachiever. Couple that with the arrogance and I really can’t be bothered to set him straight. And I’m also not the type to just ignore it. Oh well.
people feel obligated to use that tone and make those statements due to the stranglehold that certain asshole posters who dominate this board have on discussions (hint: look at the thread title). so, unless you cop a faux hardcore attitude, fit narrowly within the accepted defintion of what constitutes “bodybuilding”, advocate avoidance of machines most of the time or aren’t keen on pushing your bodyweight up at all costs, you are deemed unworthy and will get shat on. so, OP, in his ignorance, attempted to play within those rules by appealing only to hardcore types and throwing out an arbitrary weight to try to fall in line with that and get good responses.[/quote]
Yes I understand the reason behind wanting adivce from advanced people. No fault there. But if someone feels the need to throw out numbers (for no real reason) I don’t think I should have to hold back letting them know that they misguided. I just didnt feel like typing out a paragraph explaining why height and weight mean nothing without pictures and stats.
[quote]cyruseven75 wrote:
sorry dude, i’m only 217lbs + i’ve only trained w/out time off for three years or so. All the reading, researching, and training that i do day in and out isn’t applicable. Fuck why do i bother reading and learning so much, why bother eating and training day in and out?
i guess i’ll just keep focusing on ME.[/quote]
Wait, so after 2 whole pages and about 5 different apologies from the OP, people are STILL logging in to call him out for stating that he didn’t want to listen to people under 220lbs?
REALLY?
WHY?
This guy does NOT seem like a troll and is actually listening so what is the problem?
[quote]trextacy wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
its_just_me wrote:
If you weigh under 220lbs (unless you’re a midget), please watch and learn lol.
Moron
Then set him straight…but calling the one guy who logs in asking for the help of the bigger lifters a moron is also quite moronic. He’s basically just asking for direction. I am way more open to people asking me for advice in the gym than I am dumbasses who think they know everything or imply that everyone with big muscles somehow got them by accident.
Therefore:
There are many advanced lifters who are under 220lbs who still look impressive. Stu on this site is one (even though I do believe he has been past 220lbs before). 1morerep on this site isn’t looking too bad either.
As far as this topic, there is no way in hell you are “overtraining” in one training session. The rest of what you wrote implies that you are very turned around and retyping everything stated over the last 9 years here is not something I plan to do. You can read that thread in the best of T-Nation thread about how I train. I am also assuming you don’t ramp up in weight if you are averaging 7 reps every single set.
You have a lot of reading to do.
I hear this type of tone all too often, to be honest (not your tone, the OPs). It bothers me a little bit. Not because I feel inadequate at all. Just because I can’t stand people who think they are above other people and therefore cant benefit from advice from certain sources.
This guy is just another unmotivated underachiever. Couple that with the arrogance and I really can’t be bothered to set him straight. And I’m also not the type to just ignore it. Oh well.
people feel obligated to use that tone and make those statements due to the stranglehold that certain asshole posters who dominate this board have on discussions (hint: look at the thread title). so, unless you cop a faux hardcore attitude, fit narrowly within the accepted defintion of what constitutes “bodybuilding”, advocate avoidance of machines most of the time or aren’t keen on pushing your bodyweight up at all costs, you are deemed unworthy and will get shat on. so, OP, in his ignorance, attempted to play within those rules by appealing only to hardcore types and throwing out an arbitrary weight to try to fall in line with that and get good responses.[/quote]
This post is even more moronic especially since I was the one who tried to stick up for him.
It is great though that I get thought of so much that I get blamed for every action on the board you don’t like. I must take up a hell of a lot of mental space in your head.