Pre-Contest Cycle

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[quote]World1187 wrote:
Dave1188 wrote:
World1187 wrote:
So 5 days Dave. What are your thoguhts?

Things seem to be shaping up quite well.

World

well… im getting really tired and low on energy i have decided to just keep my clen dose pretty high 120mcg and its helping. Cardio and training are on point so i just need to keep hittin it and i should be ok.

Well just keep on keeping on man. I’ll warn you that the last two days prior to a contest are the toughest and the most important. One wrong step, and you’re fucked. So don’t give in to a bad desire.

World[/quote]

yea i man i know, nothing about the last 3-4 weeks has been fun but i am pretty confident im not goin to blow the whole thing on something stupid.

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Just keep it up man. Get yourself a nice bronze going, start cutting sodium like mad.

“Shredded in 6 days” or something like that will have some good advice for you. Use the search feature to find it.

Has Crystal Light or sugar free Tang become your best friend yet? Pre-contest, that’s what always happened to me.

World

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[quote]World1187 wrote:
Just keep it up man. Get yourself a nice bronze going, start cutting sodium like mad.

“Shredded in 6 days” or something like that will have some good advice for you. Use the search feature to find it.

Has Crystal Light or sugar free Tang become your best friend yet? Pre-contest, that’s what always happened to me.

World[/quote]

oh man i was hitting the crystal light bad for most my diet but it has some cals in it so i cut it out 2 weeks ago.

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Dave, how about an update, man. Hasn’t the contest happened? How did it go? Any pictures?

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[quote]Dave1188 wrote:
just a update but im about 4 weeks out right now from my show and i have been shocked to see how my cycle turned out. I started at 240 and i am currently and have been for a week 225lb. I am getting very lean with a little water but my weight is staying. i am on track for 4 weeks out hoping to come in at around 210-215. the cycle ended up looking a little different and i highly recommend it as far as a cutting cycle goes. joints hurt lol…

new updated cycle (on week 12)
week------ 1-16 test-C 1000 mg/wk
week------ 8-16 oral winny 100 mg/day
week------ 10-16 proviron 50mg/day
week------ 13-16 clen tapor :40/40/40/60/60/60/80/80/80/100/ 100/100/80/80/80/60/60/60/40/40/40

well not that anyone cares but this might be useful to someone considering a similar cycle. I still am not sure how i wanna use the lasix at the end so if anyone has any insight on the matter i would appreciate it.[/quote]

You are 4 weeks out? You should have looked for info when you were about 16-20 weeks out. At 4 weeks out you should be about ready to step on stage. Just a bit off maybe. The last 4 weeks are really just refining and getting yourself from simply just good condition to sick, ripped condition. As you are probably learning,since this is your second contest, there is a big difference from looking good in the gym and being ready for a contest. You need to find someone with experience that you trust and will tell you the truth. Not one of your buddies who are just going to tell you you look great and then let you make a fool of yourself. Find a good trainer or better a former competitor; someone who knows the difference between show shape and beach shape.

As for drugs at this point you are not going to gain any more muscle so I would shorten weight workouts to 15-20 minutes and follow that with your cardio. Cut out any cyp, test e, ect to allow time for them to clear so they do not cause any water retention. I was even taught to stop winstrol 7 days out. Halotestin is a good drug to take right up to the contest. You only need to take it for the last two to three weeks at like 20mgs a day. If you are already lean the halo will really harden you up.

I would not use lasix for 3 days, if you do this you will most likely be super flat. Try to get aldactone or aldactizide and if you are still having water problems maybe use the lasix on the morning of the contest. Just do not stop drinking. If you take even aldactone or esp. aldactizide and stop drinking you will flatten out like a pancake. Good luck.

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[quote]Dave1188 wrote:
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I just looked at your pics. I do not want to be mean and that is not my intention but you do not look like you are really sho ready or close to show ready.You look goo, for the gym or beach. There is no way you will be ripped by show time without crash dieting and a rediculous amount of cardio. I would find another show that will give you more time. And throw the scale out! It does not matter what you weigh it matters what you look like. You have some muscle, you just need to get in better condition. With more time you can do that without sacrificing the muscle you do have.

My recommendation to you, if you listen and do not get so pissed that I am critizing you, is to diet for 16-20 weeks next time. Give yourself plenty of time. The slower you come down the less muscle you will lose. After that you will have a better ides of how long it takes for you to get into shape.

You could look pretty good. Shit is just starting to show on you now. However your hamstrings really need some work. Only If you had more time.

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Sorry guys i have been just catching up on some stuff since i got home from my show, which was another great learning experience. despite my let down of a placing 3rd out of 3, i weighed in at 206 being 28 lbs heavier then last year at a lower bf.

Yes, this was my second show and first time i cut while on. i learned a whole lot and truly wished i did start 2-3 weeks sooner so that i could of really dialed in. I have no regrets and took this as a personal victory if anything, i was 9 years younger then the youngest other HW.

It gave me a chance to really see my stand out weak points (back,hamstrings,glutes,arms) and the motivation to make the changes. Before the show i was debating competing again in late October but after this show i feel i need to grow into myself a little more before i compete again and plan to do my next show in early 2010. until then its back to the drawing board.

The lasix were pretty intense, dident experience any flatness like joeblow said but i started taking them thursday late afternoon, night, friday morning, mid day, night, sat morning. I took my second dose on friday when i got to the hotel still holding a good amount of water, then my friends/family went to dinner and i took a nap.

when they came back i took my clothes off to do some quarter turns and my god i changed drastically in 2 hours time. Anyway still no water and woke up really dry. After one more dose and some extra potassium, started getting pretty rough by the time i had to get on stage, but sucked it up and put a smile on my face and did the damn thing.

immediately after getting off stage i could not breath very well and started sweating very bad. I took a few sips of water before i threw it right back up and for some reason i could not get any water to stay down for a good 20 mins. ( i kept trying…ended up throwing up like 5 times) After i got back to the hotel room i cooled down and started to recover. a hour later i felt fine.

I wish i was a little leaner but i was VERY dry and definitely not flat. I also had to bump the potassium up a good deal on sat to prevent cramping, 400mg wasent cutting it. sorry no pics yet ill get them up here in a day or two.

Overall i am very happy but at 6’2 i wont compete again until i can come in at 230lbs <5% bf so im setting my goal for 2010 and im more motivated then ever coming into my offseason.

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Thanks for the honest update, Dave. I am still looking forward to the pictures.

Looks like my suspicions were correct, too, in that messing with lasix sounds like some dangerous shit. Do you think you are going to use it again next show?

I also think it is a good idea for you to look at things in the long-term and work on bringing the best package to the stage at the time when you are truly ready. I’m probably not truly ready myself, but my gym has been pushing me to compete for their business promotion and I know it will aid in the marketing of my own business, so I have decided to get up there myself.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
Thanks for the honest update, Dave. I am still looking forward to the pictures.

Looks like my suspicions were correct, too, in that messing with lasix sounds like some dangerous shit. Do you think you are going to use it again next show?

I also think it is a good idea for you to look at things in the long-term and work on bringing the best package to the stage at the time when you are truly ready. I’m probably not truly ready myself, but my gym has been pushing me to compete for their business promotion and I know it will aid in the marketing of my own business, so I have decided to get up there myself. [/quote]

I probably will use lasix again just because of how effective they are. The only thing i would change is start taking them on fri instead of thurs and drink a little more water while on.

I really feel (as well as other people i talked to bias and unbias lol) that i should of taken 2nd but never the less i do not regret it AT ALL and believe i will take what i have learned + some time to bring a all around better package in 2010.

You will learn so much about how your body reacts precontest and build on that. no two people are the same so trail and error is the only 100% way to be sure of anything in this sport.

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You really do not need lasix to come in dry. Try aldactizide. It is strong but should not give you the side effects you had from the lasix. I have competed more times then I can remember since I was 18 and I have never had a problem like you related. Not being able to keep down water is not a good thing at all.

Good idea to take time off. By competing once a year you can maximize your gains. Guys who go trophy hunting all year rarely improve much from show to show. Good luck but please at least try something other then lasix.

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[quote]joeblow wrote:
You really do not need lasix to come in dry. Try aldactizide. It is strong but should not give you the side effects you had from the lasix. I have competed more times then I can remember since I was 18 and I have never had a problem like you related. Not being able to keep down water is not a good thing at all.

Good idea to take time off. By competing once a year you can maximize your gains. Guys who go trophy hunting all year rarely improve much from show to show. Good luck but please at least try something other then lasix.[/quote]

yea man i definitely do not consider myself a expert and have a lot to learn especially precontest. I am very open to trying new things to figure out what will work for me. I also do not think i will run cyp precontest either and that should make it a little easier. i figure i will take a year and a half to clean bulk and then take about 5 months to cut up nice and slow. I am really looking forward to putting on some lean mass and have started to get my “supplements”. Sorry for the pic delay i promise ill have them by tomorrow.

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finally i got these and i will have the professionally done ones soon. i dident come in as lean as i wished but i gave it my all and i feel i looked good.

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