Agreed…its total irresponsible coaching…unfortunately another highschool kid dropped dead at a practice in my area. I wonder how long it will take for the media to find out that he consumed too many grams of creatine.
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Looking great dude, just thought I’d throw that out there.
Thanks man I really appreciate that
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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I look huge and awesome in my avatar.
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Looking great dude, just thought I’d throw that out there.[/quote]
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[quote]strengthstudent wrote:
Your body won’t get used to it or build a tolerance. Creatine synthesis occurs naturally. It is constructed from the amino acids glycine, arginine, and methionine. It is stored as phosphocreatine, which is a major substrate for anaerobic metabolism. You have creatine inside you at all times, even if you do not supplement with it. Supplementing just increases the amount you store. Cycling and loading are products of clever marketing targeting the uninformed.[/quote]
You shouldn’t stay on anything for a long time.[/quote]
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Everyone we’ve ever known that eats food and drinks water will die… I mean… really… they will.
Creatin monohydrate is great stuff - but I have found that it seem to work better if taken together with juice or sweet drinks. Personally I mix it half and half with stevia and use it to sweeten my coffe/tea or to sprinkle my oats…
Has anyone seen any loss in max’s or lower strength in volume when they have “cycled” off or just stop taking it and still training?
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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
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[quote]flipcollar wrote:
STB, thanks for the explanation of the way you cycle creatine. I’ve essentially just done 5-6g a day for as long as I can remember, with the goal of just making sure I get enough. Not particularly worried about having too much.
I’ve always felt the same way about the benefits of creatine to just about everyone. Pretty hard to convince people this is true though. The fact that people on sites like this have trepidation about even using it in the first place shows how much the media has skewed public perspective. My dad thinks creatine is a steroid, and he’s got a Physics PHD (in other words, not an idiot). If TNation members think creatine is dangerous, imagine what the general population thinks. I’ve had people warn me that ‘that stuff will kill you’. [/quote]
That’s why “average joes” are just that…“average”. I do find it amazing that those kind of people will not listen to sound advice from people who have their shit together but will believe nearly everything they see on a fucking infomercial. ( I have friends & relatives like this) o well I say, more Creatine and awesomeness for me.
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Politics plays a serious part in this as well. There was a case of a high school football player, I think in Texas (not positive), who was practicing for hours in 100+ degree weather, his coach wouldn’t let him get water, and he died. Creatine ended up being blamed by the media, and politicians latched on, wagging their finger as they often do at the supplement industry. Politicians hate the supplement industry because anything that’s legally sold as a supplement doesn’t make money for big drug companies. Big drug companies fund politicians. The more supplements like PH’s that end up becoming controlled substances, the more money gets funneled into politicians pockets. Creatine has been vilified for this reason. Washington would love for it to be controlled. If the general public thinks creatine is a terrible thing that’s killing young people, there will be no objection.[/quote]
I remember this, I could be mistaken but I think the media saw that the players had elevated levels of Creatinine and equated it with Creatine. I believe elevated Creatinine levels in the blood is a sign of Kidney trouble…but the media took the name similarity and ran with it
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This is why I don’t watch TV anymore. Creatine and creatanine sound alike… so they must be the same thing. Anytime kids start passing out, its 100 degrees outside, and their kidneys start failing, it is Rhabdo+terrible fucking coaching. Recent studies have come out that say creatine HELPS retain water in extreme heat… which makes complete and total logical sense because the only real side effect of taking it is water retention. How does it somehow gain this magical property to retain water in your cells but, only when it is not hot out and only when you are not doing any physical activity.
Shit like this drives me nuts.
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Creatinine is the breakdown product of creatine.
Creatinine levels are used to measure kidney health, but high creatinine does not on it’s own damage the kidney.
So if you supplement creatine you are also going to somewhat raise you creatinine levels, it’s not damaging the kidney, it’s just that if you elevate substrate you elevate breakdown product. Add dehydration, which can also elevate creatinine levels and now supplement companies have to warn against possible kidney damage.
I hate the media’s bastardization of science.
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[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I look huge and awesome in my avatar.
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Looking great dude, just thought I’d throw that out there.[/quote]
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x3, you arms are bigger than my fucking head
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[quote]Consul wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I look huge and awesome in my avatar.
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Looking great dude, just thought I’d throw that out there.[/quote]
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x3, you arms are bigger than my fucking head[/quote]
Thanks Yall, gotta get on that creatinine, or creatine!
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
[quote]GhostOD wrote:
[quote]Consul wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I look huge and awesome in my avatar.
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Looking great dude, just thought I’d throw that out there.[/quote]
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x3, you arms are bigger than my fucking head[/quote]
Thanks Yall, gotta get on that creatinine, or creatine![/quote]
And Strawberry Jelly Donuts!!!
The ultimate ingredient!
I have used Creatine (Mono, Kre-Alkaline) off and on for quite a while since I started competing, and if I am supplementing it is one of my faves. I first tried to cycle it, and rapidly disregarded that suggestion.
For me it’s kind of like how I use Glutamine, If I up the intensity I up both, as I recover better. Everyone seems to react differently, so play with it and adjust accordingly. The body will either use it or discard it as needed.
Aside from water weight I have nothing but good things to say about it.
I have a Thyroid condition, and I get my bloodwork done quite frequently. My Creatinine levels are frequently high, and I was concerned. I went off of Creatine for two weeks and I was well into normal ranges.
It is sort of like a false positive.
Iam glad that STB posted that he uses Creatine the way he does. It takes someone that is near the top to honestly evaluate a product or training, for all of us to cut through the bullshit.