“Creatine, though not a steroid, can still be unsafe if taken improperly. In a widely-publicized 2010 case, 24 McMinnville High School football players in Oregon were hospitalized after suddenly succumbing to severe swelling and cramping that in three cases necessitated surgery. Experts speculated whether creatine supplements were a factor in the hospitalizations.”
I took creatine once. It was weird, I looked in the mirror and my face melted. I don’t know what brand it was; it had some kind of tiny paper tab delivery system. Won’t touch the stuff ever again.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
I took creatine once. It was weird, I looked in the mirror and my face melted. I don’t know what brand it was; it had some kind of tiny paper tab delivery system. Won’t touch the stuff ever again.[/quote]
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
I took creatine once. It was weird, I looked in the mirror and my face melted. I don’t know what brand it was; it had some kind of tiny paper tab delivery system. Won’t touch the stuff ever again.[/quote]
I took creatine just now
Creatine…not even once
Stupid.
[quote]colt44 wrote:
“Creatine, though not a steroid, can still be unsafe if taken improperly. In a widely-publicized 2010 case, 24 McMinnville High School football players in Oregon were hospitalized after suddenly succumbing to severe swelling and cramping that in three cases necessitated surgery. Experts speculated whether creatine supplements were a factor in the hospitalizations.”
It amazes me, as scientists, that these guys would suspect creatine as the cause of the problem. How many people actually have problems from creatine in a given year? And now you have 24 of them on the SAME football team, at the SAME time? It would seem pretty obvious that there other factors (football practice anyone? has that not caused problems much more often than creatine?) that would effect a group of teammates at the same time.
Also, as scientists, they should be fucking ashamed of themselves for the “it’s not a steroid, but…” bullshit. Steroids are a large group of substances that have ALL KINDS of functions. There are many more things in that group than anabolic steroids, and it’s a damn shame that so many people (apparently including these scientists) that run and hide when they hear the word. Nobody freaks out about milk, but it contains multiple steroids.
I’m assuming that quote is from a scientist, since the article said “experts”, and since this would fall under the field of biochemistry, I would assume that means biochemists.
I got paranoid when a police car drove by, so I flushed my bag of C down the toilet.
[quote]Chris87 wrote:
Also, as scientists, they should be fucking ashamed of themselves for the “it’s not a steroid, but…” bullshit. Steroids are a large group of substances that have ALL KINDS of functions. There are many more things in that group than anabolic steroids, and it’s a damn shame that so many people (apparently including these scientists) that run and hide when they hear the word. Nobody freaks out about milk, but it contains multiple steroids.[/quote]
I’m sure the scientists will beg your forgiveness for speaking colloquially to individuals who are in the business of disseminating information to the general public… most of whom lack formal education in the topic being discussed.
When discussing performance-enhancing drugs, it’s probably clear to most that the term “steroid” refers to the hormones that confer some performance-enhancing effect. So, you know, AAS… not Garelick Farms.
I don’t think people jump to estradiol or aldosterone when hearing about the local football team being on the sauce.
I like how at the beginning of the article it basically states that the students were suspended because the product contained synephrine, and then they go off on a tangent about creatine instead.
Great reporting.
[quote]Chris87 wrote:
[quote]colt44 wrote:
“Creatine, though not a steroid, can still be unsafe if taken improperly. In a widely-publicized 2010 case, 24 McMinnville High School football players in Oregon were hospitalized after suddenly succumbing to severe swelling and cramping that in three cases necessitated surgery. Experts speculated whether creatine supplements were a factor in the hospitalizations.”
It amazes me, as scientists, that these guys would suspect creatine as the cause of the problem. How many people actually have problems from creatine in a given year? And now you have 24 of them on the SAME football team, at the SAME time? It would seem pretty obvious that there other factors (football practice anyone? has that not caused problems much more often than creatine?) that would effect a group of teammates at the same time.
Also, as scientists, they should be fucking ashamed of themselves for the “it’s not a steroid, but…” bullshit. Steroids are a large group of substances that have ALL KINDS of functions. There are many more things in that group than anabolic steroids, and it’s a damn shame that so many people (apparently including these scientists) that run and hide when they hear the word. Nobody freaks out about milk, but it contains multiple steroids.
I’m assuming that quote is from a scientist, since the article said “experts”, and since this would fall under the field of biochemistry, I would assume that means biochemists.[/quote]
I’m sure when they say ‘experts’ they are including volunteer coaches who are basically someones dad who helps with equipment and stands on the sideline trying to look important.
I really loved how they said “experts speculated whether creatine was a factor in the case” as if the fact that someone speculated it is evidence that it was a factor.
No doubt, the experts in this case were the coaches who overworked the poor kids in the hot sun and needed a scapegoat for themselves. Headstrong SOBs who would never admit or even believe that they could be at fault.
As someone who knows several scientist who’ve been extensively misquoted or misrepresented in the media, I’d imagine the blame is more the media than the scientist.
[quote]“The Oregon athletes were treated for “compartment syndrome.” Authorities say the condition may have been brought on by high levels of heat, dehydration, and creatine kinase in their bodies.”
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Favorite quote.
Apparently heat, dehydration, and creatine are all equally bad for you haha.
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]“The Oregon athletes were treated for “compartment syndrome.” Authorities say the condition may have been brought on by high levels of heat, dehydration, and creatine kinase in their bodies.”
[/quote]
Favorite quote.
Apparently heat, dehydration, and creatine are all equally bad for you haha. [/quote]
I think the implication is that creatine contributes to dehydration. Another thing that is widely speculated upon but last I checked there was no proof of it.
This has been chewed over on T-Nation. Here’s what a real expert has to say about the high school story:
http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_article/research_update/the_truth_about_the_media_creatine_scare
btw. I use Biotest’s creatine and really like it. It’s cheap, micronized and from a reputable source (i.e. NOT china). Never had anything but positive effects from it.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]“The Oregon athletes were treated for “compartment syndrome.” Authorities say the condition may have been brought on by high levels of heat, dehydration, and creatine kinase in their bodies.”
[/quote]
Favorite quote.
Apparently heat, dehydration, and creatine are all equally bad for you haha. [/quote]
I think the implication is that creatine contributes to dehydration. Another thing that is widely speculated upon but last I checked there was no proof of it.[/quote]
True of course…which is even funnier to me, honestly. Why would something that causes your body to retain MORE water make you more prone to dehydration, unless of course you aren’t drinking enough to begin with. Kinda like people will skimp on salt because it’s “bad for you”, when in reality they are preventing their body from keeping the water that it wants.
Now I’m not necessarily saying that creatine usage makes it HARDER to become dehydrated, at the same time it wouldn’t surprise me much.
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]“The Oregon athletes were treated for “compartment syndrome.” Authorities say the condition may have been brought on by high levels of heat, dehydration, and creatine kinase in their bodies.”
[/quote]
Favorite quote.
Apparently heat, dehydration, and creatine are all equally bad for you haha. [/quote]
I think the implication is that creatine contributes to dehydration. Another thing that is widely speculated upon but last I checked there was no proof of it.[/quote]
True of course…which is even funnier to me, honestly. Why would something that causes your body to retain MORE water make you more prone to dehydration, unless of course you aren’t drinking enough to begin with. Kinda like people will skimp on salt because it’s “bad for you”, when in reality they are preventing their body from keeping the water that it wants.
Now I’m not necessarily saying that creatine usage makes it HARDER to become dehydrated, at the same time it wouldn’t surprise me much. [/quote]
There is zero evidence for creatine being a cause of dehydration. There are several studies that say prolonged creatine use actually positively affects hydration.
What does cause dehydration is “working out” in a 100+ degree gym for 2 hours, with no water breaks, doing countless sets to failure of dips/push-up/ab work with no breaks. People think creatine is bad because it is kinda spelled the same as creatanine (which was very high in all the pee pee tests of those football players and is a marker used to test for rhabdo).
If you don’t take creatine then you don’t care about being strong, fast, and/or big.
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]“The Oregon athletes were treated for “compartment syndrome.” Authorities say the condition may have been brought on by high levels of heat, dehydration, and creatine kinase in their bodies.”
[/quote]
Favorite quote.
Apparently heat, dehydration, and creatine are all equally bad for you haha. [/quote]
I think the implication is that creatine contributes to dehydration. Another thing that is widely speculated upon but last I checked there was no proof of it.[/quote]
True of course…which is even funnier to me, honestly. Why would something that causes your body to retain MORE water make you more prone to dehydration, unless of course you aren’t drinking enough to begin with. Kinda like people will skimp on salt because it’s “bad for you”, when in reality they are preventing their body from keeping the water that it wants.
Now I’m not necessarily saying that creatine usage makes it HARDER to become dehydrated, at the same time it wouldn’t surprise me much. [/quote]
That’s precisely what it’s all about. They are trying to forge a link between heat, dehydration and creatine use by saying that inadequate hydration + physical activity in hot weather + creatine is bad news… then they blame creatine and ignore the other two factors.
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]“The Oregon athletes were treated for “compartment syndrome.” Authorities say the condition may have been brought on by high levels of heat, dehydration, and creatine kinase in their bodies.”
[/quote]
Favorite quote.
Apparently heat, dehydration, and creatine are all equally bad for you haha. [/quote]
I think the implication is that creatine contributes to dehydration. Another thing that is widely speculated upon but last I checked there was no proof of it.[/quote]
True of course…which is even funnier to me, honestly. Why would something that causes your body to retain MORE water make you more prone to dehydration, unless of course you aren’t drinking enough to begin with. Kinda like people will skimp on salt because it’s “bad for you”, when in reality they are preventing their body from keeping the water that it wants.
Now I’m not necessarily saying that creatine usage makes it HARDER to become dehydrated, at the same time it wouldn’t surprise me much. [/quote]
There is zero evidence for creatine being a cause of dehydration. There are several studies that say prolonged creatine use actually positively affects hydration.
What does cause dehydration is “working out” in a 100+ degree gym for 2 hours, with no water breaks, doing countless sets to failure of dips/push-up/ab work with no breaks. People think creatine is bad because it is kinda spelled the same as creatanine (which was very high in all the pee pee tests of those football players and is a marker used to test for rhabdo).
If you don’t take creatine then you don’t care about being strong, fast, and/or big.[/quote]
couldn’t agree with stormthebeach more. creatine is one of the few supplements worth your money.
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]“The Oregon athletes were treated for “compartment syndrome.” Authorities say the condition may have been brought on by high levels of heat, dehydration, and creatine kinase in their bodies.”
[/quote]
Favorite quote.
Apparently heat, dehydration, and creatine are all equally bad for you haha. [/quote]
I think the implication is that creatine contributes to dehydration. Another thing that is widely speculated upon but last I checked there was no proof of it.[/quote]
True of course…which is even funnier to me, honestly. Why would something that causes your body to retain MORE water make you more prone to dehydration, unless of course you aren’t drinking enough to begin with. Kinda like people will skimp on salt because it’s “bad for you”, when in reality they are preventing their body from keeping the water that it wants.
Now I’m not necessarily saying that creatine usage makes it HARDER to become dehydrated, at the same time it wouldn’t surprise me much. [/quote]
There is zero evidence for creatine being a cause of dehydration. There are several studies that say prolonged creatine use actually positively affects hydration.
What does cause dehydration is “working out” in a 100+ degree gym for 2 hours, with no water breaks, doing countless sets to failure of dips/push-up/ab work with no breaks. People think creatine is bad because it is kinda spelled the same as creatanine (which was very high in all the pee pee tests of those football players and is a marker used to test for rhabdo).
If you don’t take creatine then you don’t care about being strong, fast, and/or big.[/quote]
That’s exactly what I would believe…like I said, as salt, creatine can make you retain water, so I don’t see it being a stretch to say that if anything, it would INCREASE hydration. And ya I remember that article a year or 2 (I think) back about the players practicing I think it was for over 3 hours actually, doing all sorts of nonsensical football drills over and over and over in hot weather, but yep, it’s the evil creatine. I think sometimes the media gets sucked in by the media lol.