I snatch 122kg in the 77kg class and can bench 110kg. I think an “athlete” should want to work on their weak points. Bench pressing more doesn’t help my lifting so I don’t consider it a weak point, therefore I don’t train it much. Most lifters I’ve seen who can bench heavy, just like the exercise and chose to train it harder or are just good at it and it gets them excited about going to the gym. Basically, if an exercise is improving your performance then it doesn’t matter what other people are doing. What matters is that you can determine what’s improving your performance and what’s a waste of effort.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
chrisarmes wrote:
is it too early to call Tubesteak boogie?
Is it weird I’m a member here over 4 years and completely missed the thread the reference came from??
I DO bank with a relevant firm tho, they used to sponsor the Irish rugby team too; http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/314vO8xvtRL._AA280_.jpg
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I stumbled across it once, but have seen numerous TSB tags in threads over the last year and a half or so. The post itself is getting rare, but the essence sadly remains.
my coach said it best 'I joined T-Nation back before it sucked"
oh, and in context, lol at the bank name
/hijack
Why all the hate for bench press. Its the best upper body push exercise there is, as you can use the most weight, targets more muscle groups etc.
Look at all DeFranco’s programs, what do they include?
Thats right, bench fucking press. They do it for a reason, to make your push muscles fucking strong, so you can push other athletes around the field.
To be honest I think olympic lifts are a waste of time for athletes. Squats, romanian deadlifts and various jumps are much better.
I just believe olympic lifts just beat you up too much for what there worth.
[quote]BALBO wrote:
Specificity of training.
Specificity of training for sprinting and jumping is high power production.It includes power snatch.Power snatch is useful tool for that purpose.
Building a big power snatch compared to your body weight will make your sprint times better and your jumps bigger & higher.
Of course,you should have sprint and jump training as primary training and weight room training to supplement it.
Stay strong! [/quote]
You may not realise but the Russians rate the bench higher in helping vertical jumps than power snatches. Think about what your arms do when you jump…
for sprinting I think power snatches would be down the list up the top would be lots of heavy hammie work and benches would probably come in above P/Snatch.
Now for a thrower I think power snatches rule and preferably from the hang…
How come no one just specifically just do sprints to improve their sprints? To boring to hard? And why are people looking for exercises in the gym to improve vertical jump where doing the actual action (with/without weighted vests) helps tremendously?
[quote]mldj wrote:
Damn, man, you may know your stuff, but I just can’t believe that Sedykh and Murofushi can’t bench 130-140 kg at least.
Koji looks like a tank and a lot stronger than, say, Tero Pitkamaki, and Tero can put up some good numbers in the weight room.
These are great Olympic athletes we’re talking about, while strength is not everything, at their level these numbers should be warmup.
P.S. If you happen to be right, it will be a big achievement for me to be able to bench more than arguably the best hammer thrower of all time :)))[/quote]
Yeah I agree it looks like they should monster a good bench, both have good shoulders.
Had the luck to train with the Australian Peter Farmer (12th OG 1976) threw for El Paso and was totally unsupported by his own national body who was trying to punish him for moving to a US college. His claim to fame was 3rd in 1977 World Cup. He beat the Russian entry.
He trained with Jon Cole and Peter Tscherne and Walter Schmidt (WR holder in Germany ) - was a hammer throwing nomad.
He had a 320+kg dead and when I trained with him he had a 250 easy OL squat but died with more than 115 on the bench - and he worked them damm hard -
now Sedykh never benched (or so I have read ) and I saw Murofushi in Canberra last year, he did lots of stuff but never once mentioned any form of pressing. It tightens the shoulder girdle, and hammer throwers want it strong and relaxed. Actually when he placed in last years OG I doubt he could have squatted more than 220 probably a lot less. He does not go heavy these days in the weight room, as he has had back problems but his turning blocking power is very high.
picked up some video years ago a Wietz and Kolb training over winter. One of the group did benches - around 100 kgs - but same lifter was doing dead heang clean pulls to the upper chest raising on toes at finish with same weight…
Pitkamaki and Thorkildsen both have benches close to 180 ( though from the youtube vids Tero does bounce a fair bit ) Bannister the Australian has a 150, and why Jav throwers bench so hard and so well, I have no idea…taken me years just to work out the hammer…
[quote]BIGBOSSTRON wrote:
To be honest I think olympic lifts are a waste of time for athletes…
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Didn’t one article from a author state “Olympic lifts are for Olympic lifters…” or something like that?
[quote]BALBO wrote:
The biggest power production was measured in elite weightlifters snatching 80 % of 1rm.
Ability to press big weights off your chest while lying on your back cannot even compare.
All these athletes are wasting their time and energy to put more kilos on their already big bench while their power snatch is hardly over hlaf of their bench 1rm.
Stay strong! [/quote] (Emphasis mine)
What athletes? Who are you talking about? You’re full of shit, go away.
Ugh. I think you’re going to be the second person on my ignore list.
[quote]BALBO wrote:
ekrim wrote:
Athlete B would kick athlete A’s ass in a fight
Are you sure about that?
heavy bag power training 2007 (non skill based , soley power emphasis) - YouTube [/quote]
what does boxing have anything to do with this?
if you only bench 150 youre a nancy boy
should i fan the flames and ask how much marin power snatched?
ignore.the.troll
[quote]chrisarmes wrote:
should i fan the flames and ask how much marin power snatched?[/quote]
Here we go…
Charles Poliquin on speed snatch for improving vertical jump
Charles Poliquin answering the question which exercise is the best for improving overall athletic performance
Stay strong!
Mike Boyle…Mistake NR:12
[quote]chrisarmes wrote:
Hanley wrote:
chrisarmes wrote:
is it too early to call Tubesteak boogie?
Is it weird I’m a member here over 4 years and completely missed the thread the reference came from??
I DO bank with a relevant firm tho, they used to sponsor the Irish rugby team too; http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/314vO8xvtRL._AA280_.jpg
I stumbled across it once, but have seen numerous TSB tags in threads over the last year and a half or so. The post itself is getting rare, but the essence sadly remains.
my coach said it best 'I joined T-Nation back before it sucked"
oh, and in context, lol at the bank name
/hijack
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Yeah,after not posting for 1 year,I see that this forum is dominanted by pack of self-rightous arrogant know-it-all assholes.
[quote]Fuzzyapple wrote:
How come no one just specifically just do sprints to improve their sprints? To boring to hard? And why are people looking for exercises in the gym to improve vertical jump where doing the actual action (with/without weighted vests) helps tremendously?
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Sprinters sprint,jump,lift and stretch.
[quote]chrisarmes wrote:
should i fan the flames and ask how much marin power snatched?[/quote]
There are many NFL football athletes that just squat and bench and those guys are fuckin strong and fast. In this country(USA) the bench press is king.
[quote]ron-e wrote:
There are many NFL football athletes that just squat and bench and those guys are fuckin strong and fast. In this country(USA) the bench press is king.[/quote]
The best football athletes squat,CLEAN and bench.
If the same football athletes changed back squat,power clean and bench with power snatch,front squat and military press,they would be more powerful on the football field.