[quote]PGA200X wrote:
drtim wrote:
And thats why we keep having patients walk in the door.
Dr Tim
They walk in but limp out?[/quote]
Only if they limped in.
[quote]whatsmybodyfat wrote:
drtim wrote:
TDog305 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
drtim wrote:
That all depends on if you will be there to interfere with all that information running out of your non medical professional brain.
Dr. Tim
Why are chiropractors so mean?
Because they are laughed at by the rest of the medical community.
And thats why we keep having patients walk in the door.
Dr Tim
Thats a bad analogy. Most of america is stupid. Smoking causes cancer yet peopel still smoke. Beign fat causes a host of dieases yet people still eat fast food and donuts. You crack someones back it feels better then gets worse after a while then they come back. This turns into an addiction like food or smoking. There is the high then the low then the high again. You arent anything but a white collar crack dealer.[/quote]
Your second sentence said it all.
Just keep talking.
Maybe if people exercised and strengthened their backs there wouldn’t be so many who get injured while sitting at their desks for their entire life.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Inmate102086 wrote:
should i be worried about this, and will this affect progress?
can i even fix this problem?
First off, if you want a real diagnosis, go see your doctor. 'Nuff said on that one. Second, why are you worried about whether you can make progress…when you aren’t making any? Why would your posture alone keep you from making progress in the weight room? Most people on the planet do not have perfect posture. Why some trainers are cashing in on this is beyond me. I could possibly see this affecting elite athletes at the peak of performance, but not skinny dudes who look like they have never touched a weight and seem to be looking for any excuse to avoid ever doing so.[/quote]
THANK YOU.X said it. if you want to progress it should have nothing to do with your posture. hopefully your not one of those people who cant squat because their knees hurt, or cant bench because their wrist or shoulders hurt, or deadlift because their lower back hurts. see a doctor and then keep working hard.
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[quote]vroom wrote:
Maybe if people exercised and strengthened their backs they wouldn’t be so many who get injured while sitting at their desks for their entire life.[/quote]
LOL. Is it really that simple? Why yes, I think it could be.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Maybe if people exercised and strengthened their backs they wouldn’t be so many who get injured while sitting at their desks for their entire life.[/quote]
No arguement there.
It’s just the stuff that they would do last year that gets them when they try it now
[quote]Professor X wrote:
vroom wrote:
Maybe if people exercised and strengthened their backs they wouldn’t be so many who get injured while sitting at their desks for their entire life.
LOL. Is it really that simple? Why yes, I think it could be.[/quote]
This is what I was trying to get at. How could someone think/claim (not everyone I’m sure there are exceptions) they have postural problems when they have zero muscle in the areas that would support a healthy spine? This guy has absolutely no muscle. I bet there is a good chance all of these postural “problems” he has can be alievated by working/strengthening his posterior chain and core.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Inmate102086 wrote:
I realize the importance of your main message in between all the jargon… DONT FREAK OUT ABOUT POSTURE AFFECTING PERFORMANCE… but what if this isn’t even true… I DONT KNOW WHETHER IT IS OR ISN’T so don’t argue with me about it, cause i dont know, but the main problem is I don’t think you really know either… i think your taking YOUR ideas way too far… basically where’s your references… one pro athlete doesn’t cut it… who knows whether he could have been better had he corrected his posture to begin with, it’s just one of those things. people take you seriously, don’t let them down.
How am I taking my ideas too seriously? My idea is that if you are concerned, you need to see a doctor. My field of practice is not in chiropractic medicine, however, many of these concepts are spread throughout the medical community. If a patient came to me concerned about their “allignment” I would refer them to a specialist. What I can tell you is that every “imbalance” you see on an individual does not require major focus or concern. I can also tell you that there are many issues chiropractors see that aren’t agreed upon throughout every field. Like the relation to hypochondriacs made before, if you look for something hard enough, you are bound to find something that fits what you are looking for. The real question is, how important is that?
no that isn’t life. what are all the skinny guys doing in here right now? correcting an imbalance. what are all the fat guys doing in here right now? correcting an imbalance. think before you write.
What are you talking about here? Everyone on this board is not "correcting imbalances"as a priority. The goal for most is to build a balanced physique by not ignoring major muscle groups. Have you even started training yet?
well, i think it has to do with the fact that people don’t like poor posture, as well as being skinny or fat… great posture is a GREAT thing, not a bad thing, you will get further in this society with a great posture… i think…
Then learn to walk straight. This is not a conversation about someone who simply walks hunched over. It is about the habit some have of trying to diagnose major skeletal imbalances over the internet when they aren’t even medical professionals. [/quote]
grrrrr… well im definitely workin out today, gotta get this anger out somehow!
[quote]drtim wrote:
whatsmybodyfat wrote:
drtim wrote:
TDog305 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
drtim wrote:
That all depends on if you will be there to interfere with all that information running out of your non medical professional brain.
Dr. Tim
Why are chiropractors so mean?
Because they are laughed at by the rest of the medical community.
And thats why we keep having patients walk in the door.
Dr Tim
Thats a bad analogy. Most of america is stupid. Smoking causes cancer yet peopel still smoke. Beign fat causes a host of dieases yet people still eat fast food and donuts. You crack someones back it feels better then gets worse after a while then they come back. This turns into an addiction like food or smoking. There is the high then the low then the high again. You arent anything but a white collar crack dealer.
Your second sentence said it all.
Just keep talking.[/quote]
why does make second sentence say it all? I was trying to make the point that chiropractors are massage therapists with a college degree.
[quote]PGA200X wrote:
Professor X wrote:
vroom wrote:
Maybe if people exercised and strengthened their backs they wouldn’t be so many who get injured while sitting at their desks for their entire life.
LOL. Is it really that simple? Why yes, I think it could be.
This is what I was trying to get at. How could someone think/claim (not everyone I’m sure there are exceptions) they have postural problems when they have zero muscle in the areas that would support a healthy spine? This guy has absolutely no muscle. I bet there is a good chance all of these postural “problems” he has can be alievated by working/strengthening his posterior chain and core.[/quote]
Strenthening his abs to pull him foward and his hams to pull him back,all good.
Its the lateral devations that need specific unilateral exercises to change his posture.
Dr. Tim
[quote]Inmate102086 wrote:
im wondering if i have posture problems, mainly in my shoulders? this is me standing relaxed. any help would be greatly appreciated… thanks[/quote]
Also, it looks like you might have a leg length difference. I dont know if you mentioned any pain earlier or not, but my girlfriend is an NMT (neuromuscular therapist) and she saw your photo and that popped in her head first.
[quote]physioLojik wrote:
Inmate102086 wrote:
im wondering if i have posture problems, mainly in my shoulders? this is me standing relaxed. any help would be greatly appreciated… thanks
Also, it looks like you might have a leg length difference. I dont know if you mentioned any pain earlier or not, but my girlfriend is an NMT (neuromuscular therapist) and she saw your photo and that popped in her head first. [/quote]
Shoulders or upper traps?
Any time you lean to right it effects ant. & post. muscle strech but also rotational muscles.
That in turn will change how the muscles in your arms and chest and upper back are recruited causing a change in the loading of the joint.
Paul St. John NMT will help, you know where you hurt,the challenge is to fix it.
Muscles will heal in the wrong tension posistion.
Dr. Tim
[quote]drtim wrote:
physioLojik wrote:
Inmate102086 wrote:
im wondering if i have posture problems, mainly in my shoulders? this is me standing relaxed. any help would be greatly appreciated… thanks
Also, it looks like you might have a leg length difference. I dont know if you mentioned any pain earlier or not, but my girlfriend is an NMT (neuromuscular therapist) and she saw your photo and that popped in her head first.
Shoulders or upper traps?
Any time you lean to right it effects ant. & post. muscle strech but also rotational muscles.
That in turn will change how the muscles in your arms and chest and upper back are recruited causing a change in the loading of the joint.
Paul St. John NMT will help, you know where you hurt,the challenge is to fix it.
Muscles will heal in the wrong tension posistion.
Dr. Tim
[/quote]
agreed…I will ask her for more info~
I think the flying spaghetti monster put you together incorrectly…
[quote]drtim wrote:
Strenthening his abs to pull him foward and his hams to pull him back,all good.
Its the lateral devations that need specific unilateral exercises to change his posture.
Dr. Tim[/quote]
I didnt say anything about the hamstrings specifically/only. I said posterior chain, and last time I looked it included more than hamstrings. His spinal erectors lats, traps, and the underlying muscles wont help the “problem” you see in this kids photos?
[quote]PGA200X wrote:
drtim wrote:
Strenthening his abs to pull him foward and his hams to pull him back,all good.
Its the lateral devations that need specific unilateral exercises to change his posture.
Dr. Tim
I didnt say anything about the hamstrings specifically/only. I said posterior chain, and last time I looked it included more than hamstrings. His spinal erectors lats, traps, and the underlying muscles wont help the “problem” you see in this kids photos?[/quote]
His spinal erectors are part of the problem, one side to short and tight and one side streched long and tight.
So you want me to explain every nuance of his problem and write a program ala EC?
Dr.Tim
[quote]drtim wrote:
His spinal erectors are part of the problem, one side to short and tight and one side streched long and tight.
So you want me to explain every nuance of his problem and write a program ala EC?
Dr.Tim [/quote]
You can diagnose that with seeing a few pictures over the internet? You’re able to tell how tight a muscle is?
[quote]PGA200X wrote:
drtim wrote:
His spinal erectors are part of the problem, one side to short and tight and one side streched long and tight.
So you want me to explain every nuance of his problem and write a program ala EC?
Dr.Tim
You can diagnose that with seeing a few pictures over the internet? You’re able to tell how tight a muscle is?[/quote]
I was about to post the same thing. While you may be able to tell SOME things from a photo, you can’t tell how “tight” a muscle is without palpation.
Well, it may be hard to determine a muscles tightness via a picture, but I sure as hell know I can diagnose erect nipples over the Internet!!!
[quote]PGA200X wrote:
drtim wrote:
His spinal erectors are part of the problem, one side to short and tight and one side streched long and tight.
So you want me to explain every nuance of his problem and write a program ala EC?
Dr.Tim
You can diagnose that with seeing a few pictures over the internet? You’re able to tell how tight a muscle is?[/quote]
Just try puting yourself in that posistion.