[quote]Professor X wrote:
To tell someone they need avoid training entire muscle groups simply because their left shoulder is dropped a little is simply stupid.[/quote]
My one ear is a little bit higher than the other… that’s it… no more training for me until I do enough ear ups to balance it out!
If you believe you have poor posture, there is a really easy way to correct it without even needing specific gym work. Figure out what you believe to be good posture, and try to maintain it for extended periods throughout the day. It starts as being a little uncomfortable/tiresome (and you won’t necessarily be able to keep it long) but soon becomes second nature. It’s worked for me on a number of issues.
As for all the other rubbish, don’t neglect your chest, just add in some external/internal rotations (internal rotations are necessary, at least for me, to avoid shoulder pain with presses). Even if you do not have any shoulder problems, or postural issues, you should be doing this anyway.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
That is precisely the point. From what I have seen on this forum, there appear to be those who think that because an “imbalance” exists that they should now buy a few books from a trainer or revamp their entire training routine to make up for any “potential” postural problems.
I don’t know many people on the planet who have PERFECT posture from head to toe when standing as well as walking. Much of this is due to developmental changes and even learned gaits or how they stand. It does not mean that every single person who notices that one shoulder is lower than the other needs to spend time focusing on this or avoiding certain muscle groups altogether before they ever actually enter a weight room.
I suppose the athlete above should have avoided going pro and spent a year or two worrying about his “imbalances”. My guess is, it hasn’t slowed him down much at all.[/quote]
Maybe this guy should have been concerned with his lower right shoulder. He shouldnt have turned pro at all. He should have first focused on correcting that tremendous issue. I mean look at how terribly unbalanced his performance is winning all the time and all that shit.
P.S. I know his spine is slightly tilted but his right shoulder is much lower than his left.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why some trainers are cashing in on this is beyond me.[/quote]
because people are willing to pay.
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Why some trainers are cashing in on this is beyond me.
because people are willing to pay. [/quote]
I don’t even want people to think that I think ALL posture problems are a non-issue. It just seems that a few people read a damn article and suddenly start running around as if the sky is falling any time they think they see an “imbalance” on someone. A “little” knowledge is dangerous. It bothers me that a thread like this would even be created where a guy who clearly doesn’t even lift regularly would be convinced that he should be overly concerned about “imbalances” that he has had NO problems with before when he hasn’t even been making any progress in the gym.
Analysis paralysis is going to end up being the magic word of the day…every damn day. People need to stop getting all of their info from only one source.
I’m going to have to agree with prof x on this one, reluctantly…joking joking.
Seriously, I’ve consulted a professional about imbalances I have due to posture and habits and they have concluded they’re evident. These injuries only arise when I’m doing higher mileage running (placing constant stress for long periods of time on the weak parts (hip flexors, VMO). When I will just hit the weights for periods of time and keep running lower or not as intense, my body is fine.
However, to just start working on posture problems before hitting the weight room and establishing a solid base (which could give a hell of a straightening if needed), is just ludicrous. I thought I overanalyzed shit too much, then I started reading more and more posts.
There are a lot of people that have the same type of characteristics as hypochondriacs, or are mild hypochondriacs (no, I’m not a psychologist). But seriously, just because somebody writes an article on something doesn’t mean it affects you all the time. God forbid the time comes when authors need to write a disclaimer such as:
“Note: this may not apply to you seeing as all individuals are different, hence are called individuals.”
[quote]Professor X wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Why some trainers are cashing in on this is beyond me.
because people are willing to pay.
I don’t even want people to think that I think ALL posture problems are a non-issue. It just seems that a few people read a damn article and suddenly start running around as if the sky is falling any time they think they see an “imbalance” on someone. A “little” knowledge is dangerous. It bothers me that a thread like this would even be created where a guy who clearly doesn’t even lift regularly would be convinced that he should be overly concerned about “imbalances” that he has had NO problems with before when he hasn’t even been making any progress in the gym.
Analysis paralysis is going to end up being the magic word of the day…every damn day. People need to stop getting all of their info from only one source.[/quote]
I realize the importance of your main message in between all the jargon… DONT FREAK OUT ABOUT POSTURE AFFECTING PERFORMANCE… but what if this isn’t even true… I DONT KNOW WHETHER IT IS OR ISN’T so don’t argue with me about it, cause i dont know, but the main problem is I don’t think you really know either… i think your taking YOUR ideas way too far… basically where’s your references… one pro athlete doesn’t cut it… who knows whether he could have been better had he corrected his posture to begin with, it’s just one of those things. people take you seriously, don’t let them down.
no that isn’t life. what are all the skinny guys doing in here right now? correcting an imbalance. what are all the fat guys doing in here right now? correcting an imbalance. think before you write.
well, i think it has to do with the fact that people don’t like poor posture, as well as being skinny or fat… great posture is a GREAT thing, not a bad thing, you will get further in this society with a great posture… i think…
NOW i posted this thread mainly because i saw a problem that i wanted to fix, if there was a fix then i was gonna fix it, if there wasn’t then i was gonna say screw it. In my eyes… wanting great posture is basically the same thing as wanting huge muscles, there both two things that improve my appearance. I guess it just depends on what your values/goals are.
as far as this quote goes, i mainly just took it as him telling that my chest wasn’t the problem, i figured that’s the way he wanted it… he didn’t tell me not to train my chest. Just a simple misunderstanding goes a long way… i hope you weren’t using that as an argument when you knew what he meant, cause frankly people should know better… if, of course, that was the case…
and don’t get me wrong, i respect you and your knowledge, but on this topic, i think you just took a wrong angled approach way too far.
yes, you do have postural distortions.
From behind on the first shot your Left thoracic cage is rotated to the right(rotated in refrence to your pelvis).
You have a Right Thoracic Translation(more space between Right hip and Right Hand than Left Hip and Hand)
Your Lateral shots show a posterior thoracic translation to your pelvis.
If you want precise photographs find someone on www.biotonix.com thaat can do a Bioprint or a Posture print.
You can also check www.idealspine.com.
oh yea all you other very helpful people, have you seen the old Shell Oil commercial-You can pay me now for an oil change or you can pay me later
for an engine rebuild?
Thats what postural distortions do.
Here we trying to be healthy by preventatively lifting and eating as well as we can.
Wether we lift or walk or run distortions are amplified-no pain now good- 50 years old, HX of back problems.
Dr. Tim
Maybe its the way you hold yourself? stand up straight, shoulders back, chest out.
[quote]Inmate102086 wrote:
I realize the importance of your main message in between all the jargon… DONT FREAK OUT ABOUT POSTURE AFFECTING PERFORMANCE… but what if this isn’t even true… I DONT KNOW WHETHER IT IS OR ISN’T so don’t argue with me about it, cause i dont know, but the main problem is I don’t think you really know either… i think your taking YOUR ideas way too far… basically where’s your references… one pro athlete doesn’t cut it… who knows whether he could have been better had he corrected his posture to begin with, it’s just one of those things. people take you seriously, don’t let them down.[/quote]
How am I taking my ideas too seriously? My idea is that if you are concerned, you need to see a doctor. My field of practice is not in chiropractic medicine, however, many of these concepts are spread throughout the medical community. If a patient came to me concerned about their “allignment” I would refer them to a specialist. What I can tell you is that every “imbalance” you see on an individual does not require major focus or concern. I can also tell you that there are many issues chiropractors see that aren’t agreed upon throughout every field. Like the relation to hypochondriacs made before, if you look for something hard enough, you are bound to find something that fits what you are looking for. The real question is, how important is that?
What are you talking about here? Everyone on this board is not "correcting imbalances"as a priority. The goal for most is to build a balanced physique by not ignoring major muscle groups. Have you even started training yet?
Then learn to walk straight. This is not a conversation about someone who simply walks hunched over. It is about the habit some have of trying to diagnose major skeletal imbalances over the internet when they aren’t even medical professionals.
[quote]drtim wrote:
yes, you do have postural distortions.
From behind on the first shot your Left thoracic cage is rotated to the right(rotated in refrence to your pelvis).
You have a Right Thoracic Translation(more space between Right hip and Right Hand than Left Hip and Hand)
Your Lateral shots show a posterior thoracic translation to your pelvis.
If you want precise photographs find someone on www.biotonix.com thaat can do a Bioprint or a Posture print.
You can also check www.idealspine.com.
oh yea all you other very helpful people, have you seen the old Shell Oil commercial-You can pay me now for an oil change or you can pay me later
for an engine rebuild?
Thats what postural distortions do.
Here we trying to be healthy by preventatively lifting and eating as well as we can.
Wether we lift or walk or run distortions are amplified-no pain now good- 50 years old, HX of back problems.
Dr. Tim [/quote]
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=858817&pageNo=0#859942
Will this require another 60 visits?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
drtim wrote:
yes, you do have postural distortions.
From behind on the first shot your Left thoracic cage is rotated to the right(rotated in refrence to your pelvis).
You have a Right Thoracic Translation(more space between Right hip and Right Hand than Left Hip and Hand)
Your Lateral shots show a posterior thoracic translation to your pelvis.
If you want precise photographs find someone on www.biotonix.com thaat can do a Bioprint or a Posture print.
You can also check www.idealspine.com.
oh yea all you other very helpful people, have you seen the old Shell Oil commercial-You can pay me now for an oil change or you can pay me later
for an engine rebuild?
Thats what postural distortions do.
Here we trying to be healthy by preventatively lifting and eating as well as we can.
Wether we lift or walk or run distortions are amplified-no pain now good- 50 years old, HX of back problems.
Dr. Tim
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=858817&pageNo=0#859942
Will this require another 60 visits?[/quote]
That all depends on if you will be there to interfere with all that information running out of your non medical professional brain.
Dr. Tim
[quote]drtim wrote:
That all depends on if you will be there to interfere with all that information running out of your non medical professional brain.
Dr. Tim[/quote]
Why are chiropractors so mean?
Who has the popcorn?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
drtim wrote:
That all depends on if you will be there to interfere with all that information running out of your non medical professional brain.
Dr. Tim
Why are chiropractors so mean?[/quote]
Because they are laughed at by the rest of the medical community.
[quote]TDog305 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
drtim wrote:
That all depends on if you will be there to interfere with all that information running out of your non medical professional brain.
Dr. Tim
Why are chiropractors so mean?
Because they are laughed at by the rest of the medical community.[/quote]
And thats why we keep having patients walk in the door.
Dr Tim
[quote]TDog305 wrote:
Because they are laughed at by the rest of the medical community.[/quote]
That was probably a little harsh. I say that as the son of a Doctor and Physical Therapist. I’m sure chiro’s serve their purpose for some, but it might as well have been a four letter word in my house growing up.
[quote]drtim wrote:
And thats why we keep having patients walk in the door.
Dr Tim [/quote]
They walk in but limp out?
[quote]TDog305 wrote:
TDog305 wrote:
Because they are laughed at by the rest of the medical community.
That was probably a little harsh. I say that as the son of a Doctor and Physical Therapist. I’m sure chiro’s serve their purpose for some, but it might as well have been a four letter word in my house growing up.[/quote]
It was a little harsh. My honest opinion is that I have two friends who are in that field and I consider them a very beneficial aspect of “full body treatment”. However, I also feel that many overstate certain aspects of the human condition.
[quote]drtim wrote:
TDog305 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
drtim wrote:
That all depends on if you will be there to interfere with all that information running out of your non medical professional brain.
Dr. Tim
Why are chiropractors so mean?
Because they are laughed at by the rest of the medical community.
And thats why we keep having patients walk in the door.
Dr Tim [/quote]
Thats a bad analogy. Most of america is stupid. Smoking causes cancer yet peopel still smoke. Beign fat causes a host of dieases yet people still eat fast food and donuts. You crack someones back it feels better then gets worse after a while then they come back. This turns into an addiction like food or smoking. There is the high then the low then the high again. You arent anything but a white collar crack dealer.