Possible Knee Injury

Training Injuries
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[quote]trivium wrote:
Did everyone survive the night?

I went to visit an orthopedic surgeon. When I told him I lift weights, he treated me like I was a moron, and even asked me “why would anyone want to do that?” He also asked my girlfriend “where did you find this guy?” When he decided that I wasn’t a surgical candidate, and that he couldn’t make a quick buck off of me he told me that I have “generalized ligamentous laxity,” chronic patellofemoral syndrome, and that I should never deadlift or squat to depth again (to cover his own ass). He didn’t do shit with his physical exam, and didn’t even refer me to PT or anything. Basically gave me a big fuck you and shuffled me out the door.

I called a sports medicine complex that has PT and an orthopedic surgeon who specializes in sports medicine. He said I need to have a referral. I went to see my PCP and he said that since I am an athlete he wants to help me fix everything up so I can go back to what I love. I am scheduled for an MRI and am pending a referral to the complex that has the PT and sports med surgeon.

Any simple PT advice would be excellent at the moment.

I have done light squatting, bodyweight squatting, and exercise bike work to keep it moving. Is there anything else you guys recommend that I do while I wait for evaluation?

Thank you for all the responses![/quote]

Now that little bholl has been exposed for the pretender that he is, let’s get this back on point: Resolving trivium’s issues.

If you read any of my past posts here, I’m the first to say that there are some god awful people the letters md after their names. Not all, of course, but there are many.

The fact that this fellow considers all weight training to be a past time for idiots tells me that any view he has on your specific case will be far from objective.

And I respectfully remind of my very first post here:

[quote]56x11 wrote:

And I give the strongest admonition against training with challenging load/movements until you know what you’re dealing with. If you ignore this, you may get away with it for a while as your body learns to move weight around the injury. However, sooner or later, these compensatory actions will create new problems for the inescapable fact that your kinetic chain is currently not working in ideal synchronicity.

[/quote]

Until the MRI (again, something that I’ve been recommending from the get-go) and the pending referral, I don’t advise anything aggressive.

Spinning a very very easy gear and a very very easy pace on a stationary bike is, IME, one of the safer modalities. Make sure to adjust the seat height so it is neither too high nor too low, as both extremes can further irritate the knee.

Of course - and I STRESS THIS - you should ascertain if even the stationary bike is contraindicated by whomever is overlooking your case. And I realize the catch-22 of it most likely being that fellow who thinks all weight lifting is dumb.

If the stationary bike work is not contraindicated, DO use those straps that go across the top of the foot. This will allow you to sweep back (think of scraping gum off the bottom of your shoes a la Greg LeMond) and drive your thigh up and toward the handlebar. This circular peddaling motion is much more efficient and ultimately will give you a better overall training effect as opposed to being a masher (those people who just stomp down on the pedals).

I also recommend that you look into knee warmers that cyclists use. If it’s chilly where you currently are, they can give just that bit of warmth.

Also, avoid the powerlifting style of benching, in which the leg drive is heavily utilized. Obviously, this principle applies to other lifts.

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[quote]56x11 wrote:

[quote]BHOLL wrote:

Medical professional? nope work at a desk, but I have worked in conjunction with them and am familiar with LOE.
[/quote]

[quote]BHOLL wrote:

I dont know why this guy continually accuses me of being in the medical profession, I actually work in a cubicle all day lmao, I just like to exercise and read training methodology.
[/quote]

So he admits that he neither has formal training nor does he have real-world experience.

Check out this statement he made in a post from last year.

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/hub/BHOLL#myForums/thread/5805447/

[quote]BHOLL wrote:

[quote]StevenF wrote:
I’ve posted on here before about nagging golfer’s elbow pain and I’ve seen many people also have the same problem. I started going to a chiropractor right next to my gym a couple months ago. I was going for my nagging back pain issues which are all but non-existent now. I have squatted and deadlifted more than I ever have and pain free. But I also mentioned my forearm/elbow issue and he has this laser machine that they’ve used about 3x so far.

I’ve been doing chinups and pullups and curls pain free since those treatments! I have no idea what the laser is called but for the guys who have the same problem you may want to look into something like that. I’ve done a lot of massaging and finger extensions with the rubberbands as well but this treatment was the game changer. [/quote]

yup got it in my clinic

physio
[/quote]

READ THOSE LAST SEVEN WORDS

They sure do IMPLY that he is a PT or in the profession.

bholl - you just got busted for being a pretender with NO formal training and NO real-world experience in the subjects which you talk about.

Now I am absolutely convinced that your life is miserable and so devoid any actual accomplishment, that you spend all day surfing the net, collecting abstracts and quotes on a given subject, and come here to pontificate on your non-existent expertise.

[/quote]

First of all, your posts are too long for anyone to care.

Second, despite your personal barbs and attack on character, you have yet to invalidate any of the advice provided on this website. Evidence and numbers are objective, they don’t care what your opinion is.

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He’s not even man enough to admit that he lied.

From a proven liar whose account is less than a year old, you can speak for everyone on this forum…?

And attacks on character…? You’d have to have character in the first place for me to attack.

That’s good comedy right there. It goes right alongside with the visual of some pathetic cubicle slave who can only get any self respect by pretending to be something he’s not on the internet.

And btw, who among us recommended MRI for trivium from the start…? It wasn’t you. In fact, you were against it to the point of going into a copy/paste frenzy of abstracts.

And how is it turning out for trivium in the real world…? That’s right, he’s headed for that MRI.

What you don’t get is that, despite all the studies you copy/paste, you have zero experience on how to apply any of that information on an actual, injured human being.

And this is why I don’t mind one bit calling you out.

Furthermore, I haven’t seen any intelligent post from you on HOW to remedy an injury in terms of exercise selection, regression/progression. In fact all you’re good for is copying and pasting some abstract you found online.

Any of these posters can get their computer-savvy niece or nephew to do that.

All that you’re doing is reading the problem each respective OP has on his condition, plugging into your search engine, and citing abstracts. And because you have zero first-hand experience on the application and ramifications of what you copy/paste in the REAL WORLD, you have zero credibility left.

And now here you are again, stubbornly and impotently trying to validate your existence. The only thing this is succeeding is slowly turning my derision towards you into pity. But just there no misunderstanding on how I see you, here is an illustration, just for you.

bholl, if a rabies-infested dog ate some rotting food and took a dump…

and if a rat were to come along, eat that dump and take one of its own…

and if a cockroach were to eat that and take a little turd…

That cockroach turd would still be a rung or two higher in terms of value than you.

Here is a reminder of what a wanna-be copy/paste fraud bholl is.

[quote]BHOLL wrote:

Medical professional? nope work at a desk, but I have worked in conjunction with them and am familiar with LOE.
[/quote]

[quote]BHOLL wrote:

I dont know why this guy continually accuses me of being in the medical profession, I actually work in a cubicle all day lmao, I just like to exercise and read training methodology.
[/quote]

So he admits that he neither has formal training nor does he have real-world experience.

Check out this statement he made in a post from last year.

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/hub/BHOLL#myForums/thread/5805447/

[quote]BHOLL wrote:

[quote]StevenF wrote:
I’ve posted on here before about nagging golfer’s elbow pain and I’ve seen many people also have the same problem. I started going to a chiropractor right next to my gym a couple months ago. I was going for my nagging back pain issues which are all but non-existent now. I have squatted and deadlifted more than I ever have and pain free. But I also mentioned my forearm/elbow issue and he has this laser machine that they’ve used about 3x so far.

I’ve been doing chinups and pullups and curls pain free since those treatments! I have no idea what the laser is called but for the guys who have the same problem you may want to look into something like that. I’ve done a lot of massaging and finger extensions with the rubberbands as well but this treatment was the game changer. [/quote]

yup got it in my clinic

physio
[/quote]

You have no formal training the subjects discussed.

You have no real-world experience actually improving the quality of lives of those injured.

I’m even doubtful that you even do what the respected lifters here would call training.

Read that dog->rat->cockroach analogy again. And then look in the mirror.

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[quote]56x11 wrote:
He’s not even man enough to admit that he lied.

From a proven liar whose account is less than a year old, you can speak for everyone on this forum…?

And attacks on character…? You’d have to have character in the first place for me to attack.

That’s good comedy right there. It goes right alongside with the visual of some pathetic cubicle slave who can only get any self respect by pretending to be something he’s not on the internet.

And btw, who among us recommended MRI for trivium from the start…? It wasn’t you. In fact, you were against it to the point of going into a copy/paste frenzy of abstracts.

And how is it turning out for trivium in the real world…? That’s right, he’s headed for that MRI.

What you don’t get is that, despite all the studies you copy/paste, you have zero experience on how to apply any of that information on an actual, injured human being.

And this is why I don’t mind one bit calling you out.

Furthermore, I haven’t seen any intelligent post from you on HOW to remedy an injury in terms of exercise selection, regression/progression. In fact all you’re good for is copying and pasting some abstract you found online.

Any of these posters can get their computer-savvy niece or nephew to do that.

All that you’re doing is reading the problem each respective OP has on his condition, plugging into your search engine, and citing abstracts. And because you have zero first-hand experience on the application and ramifications of what you copy/paste in the REAL WORLD, you have zero credibility left.

And now here you are again, stubbornly and impotently trying to validate your existence. The only thing this is succeeding is slowly turning my derision towards you into pity. But just there no misunderstanding on how I see you, here is an illustration, just for you.

bholl, if a rabies-infested dog ate some rotting food and took a dump…

and if a rat were to come along, eat that dump and take one of its own…

and if a cockroach were to eat that and take a little turd…

That cockroach turd would still be a rung or two higher in terms of value than you.

Here is a reminder of what a wanna-be copy/paste fraud bholl is. From one of deceptive posts last year:

[quote]BHOLL wrote:

Medical professional? nope work at a desk, but I have worked in conjunction with them and am familiar with LOE.
[/quote]

[quote]BHOLL wrote:

I dont know why this guy continually accuses me of being in the medical profession, I actually work in a cubicle all day lmao, I just like to exercise and read training methodology.
[/quote]

So he admits that he neither has formal training nor does he have real-world experience.

Check out this statement he made in a post from last year.

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/hub/BHOLL#myForums/thread/5805447/

[quote]BHOLL wrote:

[quote]StevenF wrote:
I’ve posted on here before about nagging golfer’s elbow pain and I’ve seen many people also have the same problem. I started going to a chiropractor right next to my gym a couple months ago. I was going for my nagging back pain issues which are all but non-existent now. I have squatted and deadlifted more than I ever have and pain free. But I also mentioned my forearm/elbow issue and he has this laser machine that they’ve used about 3x so far.

I’ve been doing chinups and pullups and curls pain free since those treatments! I have no idea what the laser is called but for the guys who have the same problem you may want to look into something like that. I’ve done a lot of massaging and finger extensions with the rubberbands as well but this treatment was the game changer. [/quote]

yup got it in my clinic

physio
[/quote]

You are a sad pathetic excuse for a man.

You have no formal training the subjects discussed.

You have no real-world experience actually improving the quality of lives of those injured.

I’m even doubtful that you even do what the respected lifters here would call training.

Read that dog->rat->cockroach analogy again. And then look in the mirror. [/quote]

too long, no read

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[quote]BHOLL wrote:

[quote]56x11 wrote:
He’s not even man enough to admit that he lied.

From a proven liar whose account is less than a year old, you can speak for everyone on this forum…?

And attacks on character…? You’d have to have character in the first place for me to attack.

That’s good comedy right there. It goes right alongside with the visual of some pathetic cubicle slave who can only get any self respect by pretending to be something he’s not on the internet.

And btw, who among us recommended MRI for trivium from the start…? It wasn’t you. In fact, you were against it to the point of going into a copy/paste frenzy of abstracts.

And how is it turning out for trivium in the real world…? That’s right, he’s headed for that MRI.

What you don’t get is that, despite all the studies you copy/paste, you have zero experience on how to apply any of that information on an actual, injured human being.

And this is why I don’t mind one bit calling you out.

Furthermore, I haven’t seen any intelligent post from you on HOW to remedy an injury in terms of exercise selection, regression/progression. In fact all you’re good for is copying and pasting some abstract you found online.

Any of these posters can get their computer-savvy niece or nephew to do that.

All that you’re doing is reading the problem each respective OP has on his condition, plugging into your search engine, and citing abstracts. And because you have zero first-hand experience on the application and ramifications of what you copy/paste in the REAL WORLD, you have zero credibility left.

And now here you are again, stubbornly and impotently trying to validate your existence. The only thing this is succeeding is slowly turning my derision towards you into pity. But just there no misunderstanding on how I see you, here is an illustration, just for you.

bholl, if a rabies-infested dog ate some rotting food and took a dump…

and if a rat were to come along, eat that dump and take one of its own…

and if a cockroach were to eat that and take a little turd…

That cockroach turd would still be a rung or two higher in terms of value than you.

Here is a reminder of what a wanna-be copy/paste fraud bholl is. From one of deceptive posts last year:

[quote]BHOLL wrote:

Medical professional? nope work at a desk, but I have worked in conjunction with them and am familiar with LOE.
[/quote]

[quote]BHOLL wrote:

I dont know why this guy continually accuses me of being in the medical profession, I actually work in a cubicle all day lmao, I just like to exercise and read training methodology.
[/quote]

So he admits that he neither has formal training nor does he have real-world experience.

Check out this statement he made in a post from last year.

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/hub/BHOLL#myForums/thread/5805447/

[quote]BHOLL wrote:

[quote]StevenF wrote:
I’ve posted on here before about nagging golfer’s elbow pain and I’ve seen many people also have the same problem. I started going to a chiropractor right next to my gym a couple months ago. I was going for my nagging back pain issues which are all but non-existent now. I have squatted and deadlifted more than I ever have and pain free. But I also mentioned my forearm/elbow issue and he has this laser machine that they’ve used about 3x so far.

I’ve been doing chinups and pullups and curls pain free since those treatments! I have no idea what the laser is called but for the guys who have the same problem you may want to look into something like that. I’ve done a lot of massaging and finger extensions with the rubberbands as well but this treatment was the game changer. [/quote]

yup got it in my clinic

physio
[/quote]

You are a sad pathetic excuse for a man.

You have no formal training the subjects discussed.

You have no real-world experience actually improving the quality of lives of those injured.

I’m even doubtful that you even do what the respected lifters here would call training.

Read that dog->rat->cockroach analogy again. And then look in the mirror. [/quote]

too long, no read
[/quote]

Oh trust me, plenty others will.

And it’s comedy for you to complain about lengthy posts. Many of yours are quite wordy.

Oh, that’s right, it doesn’t take much effort to simply copy and paste. Which is your only skill.

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[quote]BHOLL wrote:

Medical professional? nope work at a desk, but I have worked in conjunction with them and am familiar with LOE.
[/quote]

[quote]BHOLL wrote:

I dont know why this guy continually accuses me of being in the medical profession, I actually work in a cubicle all day lmao, I just like to exercise and read training methodology.
[/quote]

So he admits that he neither has formal training nor does he have real-world experience.

Check out this statement he made in a post from last year.

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/hub/BHOLL#myForums/thread/5805447/

[quote]BHOLL wrote:

[quote]StevenF wrote:
I’ve posted on here before about nagging golfer’s elbow pain and I’ve seen many people also have the same problem. I started going to a chiropractor right next to my gym a couple months ago. I was going for my nagging back pain issues which are all but non-existent now. I have squatted and deadlifted more than I ever have and pain free. But I also mentioned my forearm/elbow issue and he has this laser machine that they’ve used about 3x so far.

I’ve been doing chinups and pullups and curls pain free since those treatments! I have no idea what the laser is called but for the guys who have the same problem you may want to look into something like that. I’ve done a lot of massaging and finger extensions with the rubberbands as well but this treatment was the game changer. [/quote]

yup got it in my clinic

physio
[/quote]

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[quote]56x11 wrote:

[quote]BHOLL wrote:

[quote]56x11 wrote:
He’s not even man enough to admit that he lied.

From a proven liar whose account is less than a year old, you can speak for everyone on this forum…?

And attacks on character…? You’d have to have character in the first place for me to attack.

That’s good comedy right there. It goes right alongside with the visual of some pathetic cubicle slave who can only get any self respect by pretending to be something he’s not on the internet.

And btw, who among us recommended MRI for trivium from the start…? It wasn’t you. In fact, you were against it to the point of going into a copy/paste frenzy of abstracts.

And how is it turning out for trivium in the real world…? That’s right, he’s headed for that MRI.

What you don’t get is that, despite all the studies you copy/paste, you have zero experience on how to apply any of that information on an actual, injured human being.

And this is why I don’t mind one bit calling you out.

Furthermore, I haven’t seen any intelligent post from you on HOW to remedy an injury in terms of exercise selection, regression/progression. In fact all you’re good for is copying and pasting some abstract you found online.

Any of these posters can get their computer-savvy niece or nephew to do that.

All that you’re doing is reading the problem each respective OP has on his condition, plugging into your search engine, and citing abstracts. And because you have zero first-hand experience on the application and ramifications of what you copy/paste in the REAL WORLD, you have zero credibility left.

And now here you are again, stubbornly and impotently trying to validate your existence. The only thing this is succeeding is slowly turning my derision towards you into pity. But just there no misunderstanding on how I see you, here is an illustration, just for you.

bholl, if a rabies-infested dog ate some rotting food and took a dump…

and if a rat were to come along, eat that dump and take one of its own…

and if a cockroach were to eat that and take a little turd…

That cockroach turd would still be a rung or two higher in terms of value than you.

Here is a reminder of what a wanna-be copy/paste fraud bholl is. From one of deceptive posts last year:

[quote]BHOLL wrote:

Medical professional? nope work at a desk, but I have worked in conjunction with them and am familiar with LOE.
[/quote]

[quote]BHOLL wrote:

I dont know why this guy continually accuses me of being in the medical profession, I actually work in a cubicle all day lmao, I just like to exercise and read training methodology.
[/quote]

So he admits that he neither has formal training nor does he have real-world experience.

Check out this statement he made in a post from last year.

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/hub/BHOLL#myForums/thread/5805447/

[quote]BHOLL wrote:

[quote]StevenF wrote:
I’ve posted on here before about nagging golfer’s elbow pain and I’ve seen many people also have the same problem. I started going to a chiropractor right next to my gym a couple months ago. I was going for my nagging back pain issues which are all but non-existent now. I have squatted and deadlifted more than I ever have and pain free. But I also mentioned my forearm/elbow issue and he has this laser machine that they’ve used about 3x so far.

I’ve been doing chinups and pullups and curls pain free since those treatments! I have no idea what the laser is called but for the guys who have the same problem you may want to look into something like that. I’ve done a lot of massaging and finger extensions with the rubberbands as well but this treatment was the game changer. [/quote]

yup got it in my clinic

physio
[/quote]

You are a sad pathetic excuse for a man.

You have no formal training the subjects discussed.

You have no real-world experience actually improving the quality of lives of those injured.

I’m even doubtful that you even do what the respected lifters here would call training.

Read that dog->rat->cockroach analogy again. And then look in the mirror. [/quote]

too long, no read
[/quote]

Oh trust me, plenty others will.

And it’s comedy for you to complain about lengthy posts. Many of yours are quite wordy.

Oh, that’s right, it doesn’t take much effort to simply copy and paste. Which is your only skill.

[/quote]

"Oh, that’s right, it doesn’t take much effort to simply copy and paste. Which is your only skill. "

A skill in which you have failed to acquire and repeatedly demonstrate via your lack of providing any real evidence to support your views.

You continually detract from useful threads with your non-sense and grade-school-like antics. If your going to post something useful then please feel free. Lets get back to the real discussion upon OP’s knee.

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[quote]BHOLL wrote:

[quote]56x11 wrote:

[quote]BHOLL wrote:

[quote]56x11 wrote:
He’s not even man enough to admit that he lied.

From a proven liar whose account is less than a year old, you can speak for everyone on this forum…?

And attacks on character…? You’d have to have character in the first place for me to attack.

That’s good comedy right there. It goes right alongside with the visual of some pathetic cubicle slave who can only get any self respect by pretending to be something he’s not on the internet.

And btw, who among us recommended MRI for trivium from the start…? It wasn’t you. In fact, you were against it to the point of going into a copy/paste frenzy of abstracts.

And how is it turning out for trivium in the real world…? That’s right, he’s headed for that MRI.

What you don’t get is that, despite all the studies you copy/paste, you have zero experience on how to apply any of that information on an actual, injured human being.

And this is why I don’t mind one bit calling you out.

Furthermore, I haven’t seen any intelligent post from you on HOW to remedy an injury in terms of exercise selection, regression/progression. In fact all you’re good for is copying and pasting some abstract you found online.

Any of these posters can get their computer-savvy niece or nephew to do that.

All that you’re doing is reading the problem each respective OP has on his condition, plugging into your search engine, and citing abstracts. And because you have zero first-hand experience on the application and ramifications of what you copy/paste in the REAL WORLD, you have zero credibility left.

And now here you are again, stubbornly and impotently trying to validate your existence. The only thing this is succeeding is slowly turning my derision towards you into pity. But just there no misunderstanding on how I see you, here is an illustration, just for you.

bholl, if a rabies-infested dog ate some rotting food and took a dump…

and if a rat were to come along, eat that dump and take one of its own…

and if a cockroach were to eat that and take a little turd…

That cockroach turd would still be a rung or two higher in terms of value than you.

Here is a reminder of what a wanna-be copy/paste fraud bholl is. From one of deceptive posts last year:

[quote]BHOLL wrote:

Medical professional? nope work at a desk, but I have worked in conjunction with them and am familiar with LOE.
[/quote]

[quote]BHOLL wrote:

I dont know why this guy continually accuses me of being in the medical profession, I actually work in a cubicle all day lmao, I just like to exercise and read training methodology.
[/quote]

So he admits that he neither has formal training nor does he have real-world experience.

Check out this statement he made in a post from last year.

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/hub/BHOLL#myForums/thread/5805447/

[quote]BHOLL wrote:

[quote]StevenF wrote:
I’ve posted on here before about nagging golfer’s elbow pain and I’ve seen many people also have the same problem. I started going to a chiropractor right next to my gym a couple months ago. I was going for my nagging back pain issues which are all but non-existent now. I have squatted and deadlifted more than I ever have and pain free. But I also mentioned my forearm/elbow issue and he has this laser machine that they’ve used about 3x so far.

I’ve been doing chinups and pullups and curls pain free since those treatments! I have no idea what the laser is called but for the guys who have the same problem you may want to look into something like that. I’ve done a lot of massaging and finger extensions with the rubberbands as well but this treatment was the game changer. [/quote]

yup got it in my clinic

physio
[/quote]

You are a sad pathetic excuse for a man.

You have no formal training the subjects discussed.

You have no real-world experience actually improving the quality of lives of those injured.

I’m even doubtful that you even do what the respected lifters here would call training.

Read that dog->rat->cockroach analogy again. And then look in the mirror. [/quote]

too long, no read
[/quote]

Oh trust me, plenty others will.

And it’s comedy for you to complain about lengthy posts. Many of yours are quite wordy.

Oh, that’s right, it doesn’t take much effort to simply copy and paste. Which is your only skill.

[/quote]

"Oh, that’s right, it doesn’t take much effort to simply copy and paste. Which is your only skill. "

A skill in which you have failed to acquire and repeatedly demonstrate via your lack of providing any real evidence to support your views.

You continually detract from useful threads with your non-sense and grade-school-like antics. If your going to post something useful then please feel free. Lets get back to the real discussion upon OP’s knee.
[/quote]

Pot, meet kettle.

Anyone who reads this thread from the beginning will clearly see your hypocrisy, outright lie, and juvenile behavior.

Now that you have no valid method of challenging, you try another tactic, which is to project your weaknesses onto me.

It’s been proven that you’ve lied about being in the medical profession.

You also have no real-word experience in helping people.

You’re a low-rent librarian. In other words, all you’re good for is running a topic in the search engine and coming here pretending to be something you’re not.

NOW LISTEN CLOSELY. IF you do things such as preface your posts with the comments that you’re just a dilettante who likes to read up on these things and these are just studies you found on the subject, than people will let you stay at the party.

Otherwise, people will continue to call out your hypocrisy.

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This stuff is intense haha.

UPDATE

Had my MRI today. I have an appointment with sports medicine doc coming up. I will keep everyone updated on how that goes.

Do you guys think that it may be worth my time to make smaller jumps with my weights (or no increases at all) and maybe explore using some knee wraps to alleviate pressure on my knees for my squat workouts?

I have 2 lighter weeks of squatting coming up

Had a good DL workout since I made this thread. No pain with the DL and a new PR. (Yeah I know that going hard isnt the greatest idea, but I felt ok that day. A little stiff the day after, but not a big deal.

Thanks for all the help guys. I will keep everyone updated as info comes in!

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[quote]trivium wrote:
This stuff is intense haha.

UPDATE

Had my MRI today. I have an appointment with sports medicine doc coming up. I will keep everyone updated on how that goes.

Do you guys think that it may be worth my time to make smaller jumps with my weights (or no increases at all) and maybe explore using some knee wraps to alleviate pressure on my knees for my squat workouts?

I have 2 lighter weeks of squatting coming up

Had a good DL workout since I made this thread. No pain with the DL and a new PR. (Yeah I know that going hard isnt the greatest idea, but I felt ok that day. A little stiff the day after, but not a big deal.

Thanks for all the help guys. I will keep everyone updated as info comes in![/quote]

Yeah, it’s been enlightening. But I had to unload because of the ramifications of injured people taking advice from unqualified individuals.

Congrats on the PR (although I admit it made the hair on the back of my neck stand up).

If you like, you can post the update in your training log. That should keep the information exchange a bit more manageable.

The knee wraps will obviously provide warmth and a moderate amount of support. What worries me - and I know from actually working with people with various knee issues - is that it just might give a false sense of health. Weight rooms everywhere are littered with people who, relying on various methods to mask the pain - only make it worse in the long run.

Despite your PR on the DL, we still don’t know what you’re dealing with. Until we do, it is my recommendation - based on real world experience - that you take the conservative path for right now.

I know what you’re thinking. You’re rolling the dice thinking only other people crap out. It’s human nature. And, sure there are plenty of folks who get away with it and have a nice story to tell.

Again, if you have a training log, you should consider moving this progress report there.

Another nice thing about this is that I can give feedback on your programming and discuss various rehab/prehab work.

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[quote]trivium wrote:
This stuff is intense haha.

UPDATE

Had my MRI today. I have an appointment with sports medicine doc coming up. I will keep everyone updated on how that goes.

Do you guys think that it may be worth my time to make smaller jumps with my weights (or no increases at all) and maybe explore using some knee wraps to alleviate pressure on my knees for my squat workouts?

I have 2 lighter weeks of squatting coming up

Had a good DL workout since I made this thread. No pain with the DL and a new PR. (Yeah I know that going hard isnt the greatest idea, but I felt ok that day. A little stiff the day after, but not a big deal.

Thanks for all the help guys. I will keep everyone updated as info comes in![/quote]

I am still standing by my original {guess} to your condition (meniscal), interested in your MRI results. Did they inject the joint?

Don’t think the straps have any evidence backing their use and may actually have some evidence against their use (I could be wrong). Although real world application seems to favor their use.

I can tell you that by maintaining a vertical tibial shaft throughout the squat will decrease stress on the knees (but the hips and back pay a price). The more anterior the knees travel on the squat the more force through the knee (less in the hip and low back). Don’t forget squat depth, at 90 degree knee flexion much of the force travels through the menisci.

Good luck OP let us know your results, be safe

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Knee wraps or sleeves is not the worst idea if you want to continue lifting. I still think that since you went ahead and got the MRI you should wait for the results before doing any heavy lower body work.

I am in the camp that if it is pain free then go for it. That being said, if you have even a twinge then I’d recommend backing off for the day and dropping that movement for a bit–maybe increase pain free assistance work so gains won’t be lost.

We should place bets on the MRI results. If it comes back with “Edema of the tibial plateau or lateral meniscus” I’m going to laugh my ass off.

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[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
Knee wraps or sleeves is not the worst idea if you want to continue lifting. I still think that since you went ahead and got the MRI you should wait for the results before doing any heavy lower body work.

I am in the camp that if it is pain free then go for it. That being said, if you have even a twinge then I’d recommend backing off for the day and dropping that movement for a bit–maybe increase pain free assistance work so gains won’t be lost.

We should place bets on the MRI results. If it comes back with “Edema of the tibial plateau or lateral meniscus” I’m going to laugh my ass off.[/quote]

Whatever the MRI results show will just mean that someone in this thread guessed right.

Regardless of the result, I still stand by my original stance that the imaging is the right call to RULE OUT anything substantial.

And knee wraps will obviously give even more support. The unintended danger of this - in an actual weight room setting and not the imagination of a 'net surfer - is that the trainee can (and often does) suffer from a case of increasing-testicular fortitude and therefore puts on even more weight.

What we haven’t ascertained are any compensatory movement patterns trivium has been going through since the injury. If there are other issues that he may not be aware of, adding more weight to the bar is a risk I would not recommend.

Trivium - I still say you should consider moving all updates to your Training log, if you have one.

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[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
Knee wraps or sleeves is not the worst idea if you want to continue lifting. I still think that since you went ahead and got the MRI you should wait for the results before doing any heavy lower body work.

I am in the camp that if it is pain free then go for it. That being said, if you have even a twinge then I’d recommend backing off for the day and dropping that movement for a bit–maybe increase pain free assistance work so gains won’t be lost.

We should place bets on the MRI results. If it comes back with “Edema of the tibial plateau or lateral meniscus” I’m going to laugh my ass off.[/quote]

Haha Ill take:

Posterior horn tear of the medial/lateral meniscus (pending what side OP’s pain is on)

6-8 weeks of activity mod and prescipt NSAID’s maybe a script for PT

The pain free comment was a good mention.

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[quote]BHOLL wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
Knee wraps or sleeves is not the worst idea if you want to continue lifting. I still think that since you went ahead and got the MRI you should wait for the results before doing any heavy lower body work.

I am in the camp that if it is pain free then go for it. That being said, if you have even a twinge then I’d recommend backing off for the day and dropping that movement for a bit–maybe increase pain free assistance work so gains won’t be lost.

We should place bets on the MRI results. If it comes back with “Edema of the tibial plateau or lateral meniscus” I’m going to laugh my ass off.[/quote]

Haha Ill take:

Posterior horn tear of the medial/lateral meniscus (pending what side OP’s pain is on)

6-8 weeks of activity mod and prescipt NSAID’s maybe a script for PT[/quote]

And if your GUESS based off internet searches turns out correct, I’ll wager that:

you will just grow more emboldened in your future posts

which will lead to…

you pulling the same stunt to another unsuspecting person

and if your luck runs out…

someone will push for an investigation, get your IP, find out your real deal and pursue the matter in a formal way

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Collateral ligament sprain with maybe some diffuse edema or effusion. Same Rx. Being a chiro I don’t like the NSAIDs but it’s not my place to comment on them.

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[quote]BHOLL wrote:

Haha Ill take:

Posterior horn tear of the medial/lateral meniscus (pending what side OP’s pain is on)

[/quote]

And how would the medical team find this out for certain…?

That’s right, imaging, the very thing you were opposed to (and oh so happy to copy/paste abstracts).

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[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
Collateral ligament sprain with maybe some diffuse edema or effusion. Same Rx. Being a chiro I don’t like the NSAIDs but it’s not my place to comment on them.[/quote]

I suspected acl or something similar in my very first response to trivium.

Again, imaging will be required to prove or refute any of this. The take home is the imaging was a necessary course in this case.

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[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
Collateral ligament sprain with maybe some diffuse edema or effusion. Same Rx. Being a chiro I don’t like the NSAIDs but it’s not my place to comment on them.[/quote]

I see where your stance is with the NSAID’s, I will say that NSAID use with OTC recommendations has a substantial amount of literature backing its safety. This of course depends on a.) length of ingestion (long vs short term usage) b.) dosage and c.) which (ibuprofen generally safer than aspirin. In general long term usage has a higher reported incidence of SE.

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56, I think the point is that anything that was more substantial would’ve shown up on a physical exam. Any soft tissue rupture or significant tear would’ve been obvious during an exam. One of my chiro colleagues was rehabbing a knee for almost 2 weeks before they received a follow up from the imaging center that upon re investigation of the image the ACL is laying on the tibial plateau–full rupture. They missed a full ACL rupture on an MRI. The thing about that case is that the rehab didn’t change–the patient just needed surgery at some point.