In the days following any kind of presses I end up really sore below the Coracoid Process. One of the muscles which runs off the Coracoid down the arm is always sore and palpable like a rope. It’s been like this for years.
hard to diagnose a problem online, I can tell ya my story, and see if it helps. haven’t been able to overhead press for over 5yrs due to a bad shoulder and pain in the days following an overhead press workout,even high incline, I was able to flat bench heavy with no pain, and follow that with some DB low incline presses, I would end the workout with an assortment of latterals.
this seemed to work, chest responded well, and my shoulder’s looked half decent, but I was pain free, and thats good, since I’m mostly a PLer I was willing to live with this, recently (6mths ago) because of Tnation, I tried single arm landmine press, This was a life saver to me, with no pain I’m able to press heavy again, I do these standing, and can work up over 3plates, for reps, my shoulders have filled out, and it’s breathed new life into my bench.
I built a day around these, suppersetting landmine press, and Tbar rows, to me this exercise has been a lifesaver, don’t know if this even relates to your problem, but mabey it will help sombody. goodluck
sounds a bit like your bicep tendon’s taking a pounding.
You really need to get it checked out by a professional. Shoulder injuries have a habit of getting much worse very quickly if you don’t know what you’re doing wrong.
Long head or short head of the Bicep? I’ve not had a problem with this when doing pulling and curls. I’ve seen a couple of physios but they seemed clueless, my doctor said it was bursitis although I take what he says with a pinch of salt.
You need to be careful though I dont know what is the problem. If you have pain, don’t ignore it. Maybe have a rest for a couple of weeks. I have shoulder impingement for 3 months, at first I ignored the pain and went on. Now I lost 25 lbs. Be careful.
I just mentioned this to another poster that has left shoulder pain. Try foam rolling your left it band and rectus. Compare pain when rolling on that side to right side. I’m guessing severe pain on left.
You have to look at where the problem is #1 and why the problem is there #2. Don’t get too hung up on where you are feeling the pain its often not the base of the issue. If your hips are sorted out pretty well, its much harder to have upper body problems. I’ve had a client that had tooth pain that seems very likely to have stemmed from his hips.
Something that I’ve noticed is that my left coracoid sticks out further than the right. It’s very easy to put my fingers on where as the right one is buried further beneath. I’ve recently had some x-rays done on the shoulder, haven’t got the results back yet. Hoping to have a MRI done soon.
[quote]Huskarl wrote:
In the days following any kind of presses I end up really sore below the Coracoid Process. One of the muscles which runs off the Coracoid down the arm is always sore and palpable like a rope. It’s been like this for years.[/quote]
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
hard to diagnose a problem online, I can tell ya my story, and see if it helps. haven’t been able to overhead press for over 5yrs due to a bad shoulder and pain in the days following an overhead press workout,even high incline, I was able to flat bench heavy with no pain, and follow that with some DB low incline presses, I would end the workout with an assortment of latterals.
this seemed to work, chest responded well, and my shoulder’s looked half decent, but I was pain free, and thats good, since I’m mostly a PLer I was willing to live with this, recently (6mths ago) because of Tnation, I tried single arm landmine press, This was a life saver to me, with no pain I’m able to press heavy again, I do these standing, and can work up over 3plates, for reps, my shoulders have filled out, and it’s breathed new life into my bench.
I built a day around these, suppersetting landmine press, and Tbar rows, to me this exercise has been a lifesaver, don’t know if this even relates to your problem, but mabey it will help sombody. goodluck[/quote]
If you search my posting history, it shows that I used to participate quite a bit in the Injury forum. I stopped because one of most frustrating aspects were posters who were in pain yet they rationalized themselves out of taking the first and foremost course of action: getting an in-person examination by (hopefully) a competent professional.
Since you are wise enough to take this all-important first step, here are my thoughts.
- The people on this forum who want to help will have a better understanding of the situation if you provide a history. How long have you been training, your workouts, any injury history, etc. It’s difficult, if not impossible, to give accurate advice based on incomplete information.
We know, based on your post, that any type of pressing aggravates this and that you’ve had this issue for years. Other than that, we know little about you.
- Be leery of anyone who offers advice on a small sample size. And be especially leery of anyone who offers advice on a sample size of one. Although well-intended, advice that starts out with “Well, I had the same problems and this is what helped me…” should be taken with a grain of salt.
Another poster (quoted above) mentioned how the landmine press helped his situation. In all fairness, he did state that it may or may not help you. Unfortunately, the mere fact that anyone would suggest this as a possible solution for you or others with similar issues is debatable, at best.
Now, I agree the landmine press can be a viable alternative for SOME people in SOME situations. The RIGHT movement for the RIGHT person at the RIGHT time is proper way to go about things.
However, here are some reasons why you should think twice before incorporating the landmine press.
There are three muscles that attach to the coracoid process: pectoralis minor; coracobrachialis; biceps brachii short head.
Now let’s examine the functions of these muscles.
Pectoralis minor protracts the scapula. A lesser-known function is it aids in inspiration.
Coracobrachialis flexes the arm at the shoulder (imagine raising your arm up as in a db front raise). It also adducts the arm at the shoulder.
Biceps short head flexes and supinates the arm at the elbow. It also flexes the arm at the shoulder (go back to the db front raise example).
(Now, I did NOT mention the eccentric/isometric functions of these muscles. Nor did I go into the ligaments associated with the coracoid process. You can research on your own or someone else can contribute. My goal is help point your compass a little closer to your goal so I want to limit my focus on this particular post.)
The three muscles I described are involved in the concentric phase of the landmine press. There is some protraction of the scapula (pec minor), flexion of the arm at the shoulder (coracobrachialis and biceps short head). There can also be some adduction of the arm at the shoulder depending on the path the barbell takes; if it moves from out to in, even slightly, there is some adduction involved.
So think about it. If there is irritation (or trauma) in the region of the coracoid process, does it really make sense to perform any movement that can contribute to the issue???
Also, if any type of pressing causes pain, how is it that a landmine press (which…is…a…press) is going to make a difference?
Get back to us the results of your x-ray, MRI, etc. and it will also help to know your training history and injury history (if any other than this one). Then we can proceed.
[quote]Huskarl wrote:
Something that I’ve noticed is that my left coracoid sticks out further than the right. It’s very easy to put my fingers on where as the right one is buried further beneath. I’ve recently had some x-rays done on the shoulder, haven’t got the results back yet. Hoping to have a MRI done soon.[/quote]
Has this asymmetry coincided with the discomfort? Or do you suspect it’s congenital?
If it’s congenital, your lifting technique and exercise selection may have made the situation more pronounced.
If it’s not congenital, then it’s more likely that your lifting technique and exercise selection are contributors.
Make no mistake: perfect symmetry is a myth. However, distinct Asymmetry needs to be addressed.
What do you do for prehab? How often (if ever) do you deload? What other fitness-related activities (if any) do you engage in? All these things matter.
Are you mostly doing bilateral movements? I’ve said this before in other posts and I’ll say it again. Even if the barbell is moving in a near-perfect line, it does NOT guarantee the body is working in ideal synchronicity. This is one of the many reasons db work and unilateral work should be in the toolbox.
So I tend to agree with Shadowzzz4 in that it may not hurt to take a look at the entire kinetic chain. Do NOT ignore the coracoid process; however, be sure to take a global approach in your rehab.
And taking the initiative to get x-rays and MRI is exactly what I’m harping on regarding seeking competent professional help. Sounds like your initial visits with your GP and therapists got you nowhere. So you did the right thing by seeking answers elsewhere.
[quote]56x11 wrote:
[quote]Huskarl wrote:
In the days following any kind of presses I end up really sore below the Coracoid Process. One of the muscles which runs off the Coracoid down the arm is always sore and palpable like a rope. It’s been like this for years.[/quote]
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
hard to diagnose a problem online, I can tell ya my story, and see if it helps. haven’t been able to overhead press for over 5yrs due to a bad shoulder and pain in the days following an overhead press workout,even high incline, I was able to flat bench heavy with no pain, and follow that with some DB low incline presses, I would end the workout with an assortment of latterals.
this seemed to work, chest responded well, and my shoulder’s looked half decent, but I was pain free, and thats good, since I’m mostly a PLer I was willing to live with this, recently (6mths ago) because of Tnation, I tried single arm landmine press, This was a life saver to me, with no pain I’m able to press heavy again, I do these standing, and can work up over 3plates, for reps, my shoulders have filled out, and it’s breathed new life into my bench.
I built a day around these, suppersetting landmine press, and Tbar rows, to me this exercise has been a lifesaver, don’t know if this even relates to your problem, but mabey it will help sombody. goodluck[/quote]
If you search my posting history, it shows that I used to participate quite a bit in the Injury forum. I stopped because one of most frustrating aspects were posters who were in pain yet they rationalized themselves out of taking the first and foremost course of action: getting an in-person examination by (hopefully) a competent professional.
Since you are wise enough to take this all-important first step, here are my thoughts.
- The people on this forum who want to help will have a better understanding of the situation if you provide a history. How long have you been training, your workouts, any injury history, etc. It’s difficult, if not impossible, to give accurate advice based on incomplete information.
We know, based on your post, that any type of pressing aggravates this and that you’ve had this issue for years. Other than that, we know little about you.
- Be leery of anyone who offers advice on a small sample size. And be especially leery of anyone who offers advice on a sample size of one. Although well-intended, advice that starts out with “Well, I had the same problems and this is what helped me…” should be taken with a grain of salt.
Another poster (quoted above) mentioned how the landmine press helped his situation. In all fairness, he did state that it may or may not help you. Unfortunately, the mere fact that anyone would suggest this as a possible solution for you or others with similar issues is debatable, at best.
Now, I agree the landmine press can be a viable alternative for SOME people in SOME situations. The RIGHT movement for the RIGHT person at the RIGHT time is proper way to go about things.
However, here are some reasons why you should think twice before incorporating the landmine press.
There are three muscles that attach to the coracoid process: pectoralis minor; coracobrachialis; biceps brachii short head.
Now let’s examine the functions of these muscles.
Pectoralis minor protracts the scapula. A lesser-known function is it aids in inspiration.
Coracobrachialis flexes the arm at the shoulder (imagine raising your arm up as in a db front raise). It also adducts the arm at the shoulder.
Biceps short head flexes and supinates the arm at the elbow. It also flexes the arm at the shoulder (go back to the db front raise example).
(Now, I did NOT mention the eccentric/isometric functions of these muscles. Nor did I go into the ligaments associated with the coracoid process. You can research on your own or someone else can contribute. My goal is help point your compass a little closer to your goal so I want to limit my focus on this particular post.)
The three muscles I described are involved in the concentric phase of the landmine press. There is some protraction of the scapula (pec minor), flexion of the arm at the shoulder (coracobrachialis and biceps short head). There can also be some adduction of the arm at the shoulder depending on the path the barbell takes; if it moves from out to in, even slightly, there is some adduction involved.
So think about it. If there is irritation (or trauma) in the region of the coracoid process, does it really make sense to perform any movement that can contribute to the issue???
Also, if any type of pressing causes pain, how is it that a landmine press (which…is…a…press) is going to make a difference?
Get back to us the results of your x-ray, MRI, etc. and it will also help to know your training history and injury history (if any other than this one). Then we can proceed.
[/quote]
56X11 thanks a bunch for your valuable contributions.
I admit that on occasion i write that … helped me but i have no clue if that might help you.
The problem is i do not trust doctors and the " standard health care " in north america.
They are focussed on sickness and have very little knowledge about health.
My 80 years mom visits them regularly and is not healthy.
My 85 yo dad never goes and is healthy.
Same for sports injuries their average is on the low side.
If paying results in poor results here for free expecting great results would not be reaseonable the way i see it.
I found help here, so thanks for those offering suggestions and special thanks to you with your special knowledge.
[quote]BHappy wrote:
[quote]56x11 wrote:
[quote]Huskarl wrote:
In the days following any kind of presses I end up really sore below the Coracoid Process. One of the muscles which runs off the Coracoid down the arm is always sore and palpable like a rope. It’s been like this for years.[/quote]
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
hard to diagnose a problem online, I can tell ya my story, and see if it helps. haven’t been able to overhead press for over 5yrs due to a bad shoulder and pain in the days following an overhead press workout,even high incline, I was able to flat bench heavy with no pain, and follow that with some DB low incline presses, I would end the workout with an assortment of latterals.
this seemed to work, chest responded well, and my shoulder’s looked half decent, but I was pain free, and thats good, since I’m mostly a PLer I was willing to live with this, recently (6mths ago) because of Tnation, I tried single arm landmine press, This was a life saver to me, with no pain I’m able to press heavy again, I do these standing, and can work up over 3plates, for reps, my shoulders have filled out, and it’s breathed new life into my bench.
I built a day around these, suppersetting landmine press, and Tbar rows, to me this exercise has been a lifesaver, don’t know if this even relates to your problem, but mabey it will help sombody. goodluck[/quote]
If you search my posting history, it shows that I used to participate quite a bit in the Injury forum. I stopped because one of most frustrating aspects were posters who were in pain yet they rationalized themselves out of taking the first and foremost course of action: getting an in-person examination by (hopefully) a competent professional.
Since you are wise enough to take this all-important first step, here are my thoughts.
- The people on this forum who want to help will have a better understanding of the situation if you provide a history. How long have you been training, your workouts, any injury history, etc. It’s difficult, if not impossible, to give accurate advice based on incomplete information.
We know, based on your post, that any type of pressing aggravates this and that you’ve had this issue for years. Other than that, we know little about you.
- Be leery of anyone who offers advice on a small sample size. And be especially leery of anyone who offers advice on a sample size of one. Although well-intended, advice that starts out with “Well, I had the same problems and this is what helped me…” should be taken with a grain of salt.
Another poster (quoted above) mentioned how the landmine press helped his situation. In all fairness, he did state that it may or may not help you. Unfortunately, the mere fact that anyone would suggest this as a possible solution for you or others with similar issues is debatable, at best.
Now, I agree the landmine press can be a viable alternative for SOME people in SOME situations. The RIGHT movement for the RIGHT person at the RIGHT time is proper way to go about things.
However, here are some reasons why you should think twice before incorporating the landmine press.
There are three muscles that attach to the coracoid process: pectoralis minor; coracobrachialis; biceps brachii short head.
Now let’s examine the functions of these muscles.
Pectoralis minor protracts the scapula. A lesser-known function is it aids in inspiration.
Coracobrachialis flexes the arm at the shoulder (imagine raising your arm up as in a db front raise). It also adducts the arm at the shoulder.
Biceps short head flexes and supinates the arm at the elbow. It also flexes the arm at the shoulder (go back to the db front raise example).
(Now, I did NOT mention the eccentric/isometric functions of these muscles. Nor did I go into the ligaments associated with the coracoid process. You can research on your own or someone else can contribute. My goal is help point your compass a little closer to your goal so I want to limit my focus on this particular post.)
The three muscles I described are involved in the concentric phase of the landmine press. There is some protraction of the scapula (pec minor), flexion of the arm at the shoulder (coracobrachialis and biceps short head). There can also be some adduction of the arm at the shoulder depending on the path the barbell takes; if it moves from out to in, even slightly, there is some adduction involved.
So think about it. If there is irritation (or trauma) in the region of the coracoid process, does it really make sense to perform any movement that can contribute to the issue???
Also, if any type of pressing causes pain, how is it that a landmine press (which…is…a…press) is going to make a difference?
Get back to us the results of your x-ray, MRI, etc. and it will also help to know your training history and injury history (if any other than this one). Then we can proceed.
[/quote]
56X11 thanks a bunch for your valuable contributions.
I admit that on occasion i write that … helped me but i have no clue if that might help you.
The problem is i do not trust doctors and the " standard health care " in north america.
They are focussed on sickness and have very little knowledge about health.
My 80 years mom visits them regularly and is not healthy.
My 85 yo dad never goes and is healthy.
Same for sports injuries their average is on the low side.
If paying results in poor results here for free expecting great results would not be reaseonable the way i see it.
I found help here, so thanks for those offering suggestions and special thanks to you with your special knowledge.[/quote]
You’re welcome. Glad to be of help.
Regarding people who offer advice because they were in the same boat, I realize the intention is good. And who knows…? What may have worked (or not worked) for one person may have similar effects on another.
The reason I highlighted anytimejake’s response to the OP’s query is because, based on the information the OP provided, jake’s assessment was off. And if the assessment is incorrect, it’s a safe bet that any corrective program based on that assessment will be questionable.
I agree that a frightening number of people in health care and strength/conditioning are pathetically mediocre. Visiting a medical doctor, certified coach, etc. is ABSOLUTELY NO GUARANTEE that you will get desired results. Look at all the quacks out there; and any idiot can pass a test and call himself a trainer. So you are right in that forums such as this can have a beneficial role. There can be that rare insight that others can benefit from.
A metaphor I use is a speck of gold within a mountain of mud and manure. For the most part, there are certain authors that I don’t spend a nanosecond reading their drivel. And there are certain posters (many, actually) that I just scroll right past as soon as I recognize their user id. The only exception would be on the Injury forum because faulty information can be catastrophic.
Went for another assessment today with a different PT. Nothing unusual on the x-rays, radiographer had emailed them to him. Tested the shoulder. Rotator Cuff seems strong with no pain or impingements. Very slight pain with the O’Briens test, not a deep pain but more lateral to the Coracoid. PT has referred me to see a shoulder surgeon who’ll take a look and do MRI.
[quote]Huskarl wrote:
Went for another assessment today with a different PT. Nothing unusual on the x-rays, radiographer had emailed them to him. Tested the shoulder. Rotator Cuff seems strong with no pain or impingements. Very slight pain with the O’Briens test, not a deep pain but more lateral to the Coracoid. PT has referred me to see a shoulder surgeon who’ll take a look and do MRI.[/quote]
Let us know when you get the MRI as well as the meeting with the ortho. Until then, I strongly suggest you avoid any provocative exercises.
I had an arthrogram and a series of MRI scans back at the start of October. The results came back fine, no SLAP tears or labral pathology. Advised to strengthen the RC and work on posture which is something I’ve been doing throughout.
[quote]Huskarl wrote:
I had an arthrogram and a series of MRI scans back at the start of October. The results came back fine, no SLAP tears or labral pathology. Advised to strengthen the RC and work on posture which is something I’ve been doing throughout.[/quote]
Read a short part of your story have you tried ACP injection or steroid injection
[quote]BHOLL wrote:
[quote]Huskarl wrote:
I had an arthrogram and a series of MRI scans back at the start of October. The results came back fine, no SLAP tears or labral pathology. Advised to strengthen the RC and work on posture which is something I’ve been doing throughout.[/quote]
Read a short part of your story have you tried ACP injection or steroid injection[/quote]
I’m not against ruling out protocols such as ACP. However, there is an inherent danger of taking these and other quick-fix routes. One of the dangers is that people simply go back to their old ways which often just re-aggravates old injuries or creates new ones.
You’ll be better off in the long run if - AND ONLY IF - you go back to addressing the fundamentals. Some of these include:
- Are you performing - on a regular basis - the non-sexy things that contribute to your overall health? You said you’ve been working on your posture, which is good; be sure to constantly work on things such as thoracic spine mobility. Do not neglect other forms of prehab - and this includes managing your ph levels with an intelligent diet.
Also, don’t fall for the quota mindset. I hear and read all the time about people doing 100 reps of pull-a-parts or something similar as if 100 is a magic number which will make all their woes disappear. You see these people just rush through the moves without actually focusing on the QUALITY.
IMO, these people make the mistake that such exercises are “not real training.” Bullshit. It’s ALL training; and the level of dedication and time you put into WHAT IS LACKING IN YOUR CURRENT PROGRAM is quite often the very same thing that’s holding you back.
I don’t know what your age is. Based on your lack of common courtesy (I haven’t seen you express gratitude towards one single poster who offered their help), you’re probably relatively young. All I can tell you is that if you approach things like the common meathead in your youth, you’ll be an injury-ridden meathead in your later years.
- Are you incorporating body weight training and unilateral training into the mix? If you read my past posts, you’ll find that I’m a great proponent of these methods. There’s a time and place for specialization; however, for the most part, you want a certain level of variety to reduce the chance of over-use injuries. And do keep a training journal of some kind.
Not too long ago, I would’ve offered to go over your training log (if you keep one) and make suggestions. I don’t do that anymore for two simple reasons: a) I simply don’t have time; b) people are funny in that they don’t seem to appreciate something that they get for free.
Don’t worry - this isn’t a ploy to get you to hand me money. What I am saying is that you obviously do not have all the answers and may want to consider the possibility of hiring an expert in your area. This is easier said than done (even if you have the discretionary income) as there are so few strength/conditioning coaches out there that are any good. So there’s going to be some trial and error along this path.
‘‘Hard to diagnose an injury on line’’, that was the first line of my original post. I have a shoulder injury, you have a shoulder injury, the same, I don’t know, but here’s what I did to find a way to keep moving forward, and getting stronger. That was the jist of my post, I’ve had 3 different surgeries on my shoulder, and couldn’t press directly overhead after surgeries. I found a combination of exercises that allowed me to keep improving in strength ( face pulls, and landmine presses ) after a few years of getting strong on these exercises, I’m pressing overhead again, but I guess telling someone what worked for me, was the wrong thing to do, LOL.
The weak stay weak, and the strong find ways to keep moving forward. I’ve got pins in 3 different joints, and at 40yr, I’m slated for a 1500lb raw, natural total this spring, because I’ve found ways to work around injuries, and keep improving. Thought this was a strength training sight, where we shared whats worked for us, I guess I was wrong. Goodluck OP
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
‘‘Hard to diagnose an injury on line’’, that was the first line of my original post. I have a shoulder injury, you have a shoulder injury, the same, I don’t know, but here’s what I did to find a way to keep moving forward, and getting stronger. That was the jist of my post,[/quote]
I knew the point of your original response earlier this year. The reason I criticized it back then was that it had little relevance other than both you and the OP had shoulder issues.
The OP specifically stated in his very first post that any type of pressing aggravates the area; so how does your analysis contribute to the issue…? Very little as any objective can see.
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
I’ve had 3 different surgeries on my shoulder, and couldn’t press directly overhead after surgeries. I found a combination of exercises that allowed me to keep improving in strength ( face pulls, and landmine presses ) after a few years of getting strong on these exercises, I’m pressing overhead again, but I guess telling someone what worked for me, was the wrong thing to do, LOL.[/quote]
I think we need to give the OP just a tad more credit in that he’s smart enough to know that there are work-arounds. The fact is the OP was in pain after every type of pressing variation; and yet you blunder in with yet another pressing variation. And now here you are back peddling and saying that you were just letting him know what options there are.
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
The weak stay weak, and the strong find ways to keep moving forward. I’ve got pins in 3 different joints, and at 40yr, I’m slated for a 1500lb raw, natural total this spring, because I’ve found ways to work around injuries, and keep improving. Thought this was a strength training sight, where we shared whats worked for us, I guess I was wrong. Goodluck OP[/quote]
That’s interesting you mention the word “natural” because I’ve seen at least one post in which you claim to use. (As hard as I try to scroll past the post once I see that it’s from you, you seem to be everywhere.)
For those interested, go to 11-28-13 post here:
You specifically state that you used at the age of 34 and “…and since have done a few test only cycles, all under 500…”
So when did you stop? And what exactly does “a few test only cycles” refer to and how recently were they done? It doesn’t matter what your answer is because it’s simply your word - which means little to me at this point.
Chemical enhancement debate aside (you can stick yourself with whatever whenever little or alot for all I care), what if the OP or anyone else in his place do NOT want to end up like you? That is to say, a guy with multiple pins in multiple places in his body?
My point is this: the OP and others like him do NOT have to go through a laundry list of surgeries to become wiser and stronger. I’m sorry that you had to learn the hard way. And I’m even more sorry that it hasn’t exactly done wonders for your wisdom. But that’s just the way it is.
And when my suggestions are challenged on a subject I know very well, either directly or in a passive-aggressive manner, I will defend what I said and why I said it. If I am mistaken, I will of course, admit it. I went back and read the OP’s post, your original response, and my earlier posts; and I see nothing for me to retract. And that’s just the way it is.
(edited for clarity)
hahaha, I love these posts, none of my injuries are strentgh related, I fell 80ft, in my 20s, and have had multple surgeries due to this, I’ve found ways to work around these injuries through persistance, and still get strong. I don’t claim to be an expert at anything, unlike some, just a guy thats been lifting and coaching, longer than most here have been alive. The landmine press, was a life saver for me with my shoulder injury, I guess big old blundering me, was wrong to asume/suggest someone else who couldn’t overhead press, might find luck with it, or as my post ended by saying, possibly help someone else reading with a shoulder injury. The single hand landmine press, enabled me to press pain free, this, I hadn’t been able to do for years, that was the sum of my post, because unlike most here, I don’t claim to know everything, just happen to be pretty good at getting young athletes big and strong ( make a good living at it ) haha anyway I’m done here, there’s an expert on hand, so need for a blundering old strength coach to give stupid suggestions 
And I am on TRT for life, due to the pain meds I’m required to take, probably makes me a cheater, as well as dumbass, oh well, I’ll just keep bumbeling my way through life LOL, Latter
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
hahaha, I love these posts, none of my injuries are strentgh related, I fell 80ft, in my 20s, and have had multple surgeries due to this, I’ve found ways to work around these injuries through persistance, and still get strong. I don’t claim to be an expert at anything, unlike some, just a guy thats been lifting and coaching, longer than most here have been alive. The landmine press, was a life saver for me with my shoulder injury, I guess big old blundering me, was wrong to asume/suggest someone else who couldn’t overhead press, might find luck with it, or as my post ended by saying, possibly help someone else reading with a shoulder injury. The single hand landmine press, enabled me to press pain free, this, I hadn’t been able to do for years, that was the sum of my post, because unlike most here, I don’t claim to know everything, just happen to be pretty good at getting young athletes big and strong ( make a good living at it ) haha anyway I’m done here, there’s an expert on hand, so need for a blundering old strength coach to give stupid suggestions
And I am on TRT for life, due to the pain meds I’m required to take, probably makes me a cheater, as well as dumbass, oh well, I’ll just keep bumbeling my way through life LOL, Latter[/quote]
Nobody has all the answers. This is a given for any objective individual. I do and will take exception to those who use it as a carte blanche reason for giving questionable opinions on very serious topics such as those found on the Injury Forum.
For you or me or anyone else to give his opinion, for example, on which IFBB pro has the best biceps in the Bodybuilding forum is one thing.
But any opinions given or taken on Injury forum should be handled with more gravitas due to the ramifications involved. Therefore, those who offer advice in this subforum should know that their opinions can and will be debated by others.
The landmine press, which has its benefits, is not the point of contention as far as I’m concerned. It’s the fact that you strongly implied to the OP that this might help him. I stand by my earlier posts in that, until we see the bigger picture (in person exams, MRIs, etc), your assessment is questionable. You obviously won’t do this but anyone who is interested can see my post from 6-30-2013 will see for himself exactly why I questioned your line of thinking.
Interesting comment you made about training young athletes. The young, especially those with decent genetics, have NOT trained long enough or seriously enough to put themselves in harm’s way. In other words, it’s not exactly a work of art to take a motivated young kid, apply the basics of progressive overload, and…voila see him get stronger. This is the strength and conditioning equivalent of playing chopsticks on the piano.
Whether the multiple surgeries you experienced were the result of a fall or weight room injury is not as consequential as you want others to believe. The lack of subtlety and sophistication I see in so many programs out there - such as those you endorse - will have a higher risk of trouble down the road. Again I refer back to the original disagreement I had with your assessment in June of this year.
As for test use - why didn’t you just come out earlier and tell me and everyone else why you’re on it? Perhaps you do have a genuine need for it as you claim. If you don’t, you can rationalize it in such a manner as it helps you sleep at night. As far as I’m concerned, anyone who takes test or other types of treatment have no right to claim natty status.
And regarding the popularity of your gym. Well, the last I checked McDonalds sells more burgers than anyone else. I’m still not convinced that’s the best available.