[quote]1llusion wrote:
Zinc is the go-to for a pec priority, at a dose of 2 uber zinc three times per day (150mg three times per day). After a few weeks, you titrate the dose down, eventually working to 1 cap / day. [/quote] Could a smaller dose of 100mg per day (taken for a larger period of course) have the same results?
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Why not take a larger dose, waste less time and money and see results quicker? That way you can move on to another priority. Right?
Dosage will depend on zinc levels but my experience is, and I think 1llusion will agree, if you lift weights and you’ve never undergone a zinc supplement protocol before you’re probably safe to start @ 150g tid. Chances are, like I was, you are SUPER deficient.[/quote]
Isn’t dosing zinc above 50mg potentially dangerous? 150mg is about 10 times the RDA and ingesting that much zinc can lead to mineral imbalances, particularly copper.
I’ve just done test number three with Biosig: Net result is a loss of 1.1% body fat and a simultaneous increase of 1lb of lean mass. Very happy with the results. He’s prescribed my to start with HCL therapy, but after reading some of the claims, and the gastro-enterologist reuttal, I’m not sure.
Max - hahaha…yeah…funny… (Im just teasing Its been a problem with me for years now. IMO way too much hormone damage between the ages of 17 and 22. (Side note I was reading the reviews on an anit-estrogen product the other day and a bunch of them were from kids (16-18yrs) and they were all trying to convince this one kid that he would be ok, just dont take a bunch of the test product, everyone can do it in moderation, age dont matter, they dont have any problems etc etc. In my head I was like, just you wait you dumb fu*ks just you wait.)
They are FINALLY starting to go down. I had, like ive said, this line/cord of side fat that runs from my nipple into my lat/arm pit area. Now I cant even pinch it there, totally lean. Nips are starting to shrink which is amazing, think its a combo of leaning out more and estro detox until they are right where I want them. (true test with be NOT seeing them from the push up position. I look down and they look back but from front or side they look just the slightest bit, barely puffy) Im actually able to wear shirts I havent in years without being afraid or embarrassed. Ive done everything and spent a great deal of money trying to correct damage. I would like to throw in some more products to hopefully remove E from that fat storage site/ remove fat from that storage site. Hormones feel really in check tho over all. I heard someone mention that they had a similar problem and took Rez-V and it cleared right up. I tried this a while but with no results, but Im a different person now, so results may be different as well.
I dont think Tork wants his thread to be about nipples though
I heard someone
That is amazing Hips, great stuff man glad to hear it.
1 Illusion - I was curious to know (in your opininon) if massive amounts of corticosteroids could cause a hormone problem down the road? I had taken 80 mg of prednisone for about 1.5 yrs nonstop, mix that with Methotrexate, Cyclosporin, Asacol, and 6MP, could those cause a disruption with normal Testosterone and/or Estrogen levels? I asked my doc and he just shrugged LOL. He told me, “Max, I am a the intestine guy, that’s about all I do.” I ended up having my large intestine removed when all of these drugs didn’t work.
Anyone have any thoughts on the HCL therapy protocol? Good idea or not? I’m already taking a digestive enzyme, but the HCL therapy seems kind of agressive, and given the level of criticism it received from a doctor, it leaves me uncertain about what the best course of action is?
Also with regards to Zinc dosage. Can anyone point to studies that suggest that higher doses (above 50mg) are required for athletes?
I have used HCL in the past (both Poliquin’s Ultra HCL 4.0 and a generic Betaine HCL product) and loved the results. My stomach bloating went down after consuming a meal (I used to bloat even from eating meat and veg).
Also I feel as though it had a positive effect on my BioSig results. I have heard that it is recommended to restore HCL levels before using other supplements because the effects will not be as great. Once again 1llusion will know much better then I.
Here’s a quote from the article on protocol: “For severe zinc deficiency, I recommend using two tablets, three times a day for eight weeks; then reduce the dose progressively over four weeks to one tablet a day”.
So basically the dose all depends on the level of your zinc deficiency. Hope that helps.
[quote]t.bruce wrote:
I have used HCL in the past (both Poliquin’s Ultra HCL 4.0 and a generic Betaine HCL product) and loved the results. My stomach bloating went down after consuming a meal (I used to bloat even from eating meat and veg).
Also I feel as though it had a positive effect on my BioSig results. I have heard that it is recommended to restore HCL levels before using other supplements because the effects will not be as great. Once again 1llusion will know much better then I.
Here’s a quote from the article on protocol: “For severe zinc deficiency, I recommend using two tablets, three times a day for eight weeks; then reduce the dose progressively over four weeks to one tablet a day”.
So basically the dose all depends on the level of your zinc deficiency. Hope that helps.[/quote]
Thanks for the pointer. I think what I will do is start off when the zinc arrives with the minimal dose, then when I see my prac in a weeks time I will get him to do the zinc test and talk over my concerns.
I too have used the HCL before, but instead of noting decreased gasiness and belching as suggested by the article, I actually get more burps! I’ll give it a fair crack and see what happens.
Thanks for the input. More information is always appreciated.
hey guys, I still haven’t gotten an actual appointment date to get everything checked again, but my legs are def tighter then they were a few weeks ago.
I have been training very well as long as i get enough sleep. Its always annoying when i don’t have a good training because some fags at the gym will give me shit and say i need some carbs, but then the next day when i actually get a decent amount of sleep I almost always rip it up.
My main question to guys like t.bruce, hipsr4runnin, or MaximusB (or anyone else with experience) is if im going to far on my cheat meals or if they are just fine.
Today I actually counted everything in my cheat meal and it worked out to: 111g Protein, 85g Fat, and 139g Carbs. This adds up to a total of 1765 kcal in the meal. Is this over-kill and possibly making my progress a bit slower then possible? I’m 209-212 lbs in the morning most days.
what was your cheat meal exactly?
1765 aint bad really - i was knocking that out for breakfast easy. I think I may have some new found pointers for you regarding more leaning out. Im experimenting with myself but will keep you posted. Also make sure you have a goal in mind lean out/ perform better/ feel better etc etc
[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
what was your cheat meal exactly?
1765 aint bad really - i was knocking that out for breakfast easy. I think I may have some new found pointers for you regarding more leaning out. Im experimenting with myself but will keep you posted. Also make sure you have a goal in mind lean out/ perform better/ feel better etc etc[/quote]
well sense weightlifting is a weight class sport and im pretty much at a good spot as far as gross body weight so i don’t want to lose of gain much body weight as all, at least not yet (I will likely move up to the 105kg class eventually). So right now my main goals are to lean out and perform better at the same or very close to the same body weight as I am right now.
my cheat meal was basically ribs, rice, chocolate milk, a coke, a high-carb protein drink (myoplex) and a bag of potato chips. I also had a Tbs of fish oil at the end to.
go my appointment for tomorrow, from then we will see if I should keep going on the estro-detox for another 10 days or if we will start focusing on another area.
Training today was really good, grueling and almost 2.5 hours despite keeping a fairly quick pace, but i felt BLAZING fast and very explosive in my movements!
[quote]tork94 wrote:
go my appointment for tomorrow, from then we will see if I should keep going on the estro-detox for another 10 days or if we will start focusing on another area.
Training today was really good, grueling and almost 2.5 hours despite keeping a fairly quick pace, but i felt BLAZING fast and very explosive in my movements![/quote]
Cool, keep us posted. I’ve got 4 days until my next appointment. visually can’t see any changes, but that doesn’t always mean there aren’t any.
I got my 2nd appt coming up this sat. Will keep y’alls posted.
Torky- Cant really help you then because you have to stay at a weight class. Im leaning out like a mutha and gaining, no change in bodyweight but more vas and cuts. Feel great.
My advise to ya is that I started feeling and lifting shitty post cheat meal as well. I just suggest maybe dropping the fat boy attitude ( ) and start doing refeeds rather than cheats. I know most dudes talk about getting away with cheats but I think its because they are weight lifting (2 words) where people like you and I are weightlifting (1 word) and there is a difference. If you put shit in your body you will perform like shit. Id say change the game and start using smart carbs. I feel like my inflammation has flared up badly. High insulin = high inflammation and high inflammation = high insulin.
ya ill definitely try that out hips, thanks for the advice.
So I got my measurements today and from what i can remember (i dont have the print out yet) for the most part they are pretty good, how ever there are 2 disappointments.
First off im 2 lbs heavier then the last time and everything is down at least slightly except that supra-iliac and quad actually went up sightly. The supra-iliac isnt that big a deal to me right now especially with everything else going down and me actually gaining weight, but the quad was pretty shocking.
My triceps and pec are down slightly and we will be doubling my dose of the zinc to 2 caps 3 times/day for a few weeks, which should help the tri and pec sites even more, but to be taking DIM and Cal-D and have the quad go UP is pretty frustrating. The hams are down fairly significantly so that’s a good sign, but i cant really get over the quad site. I believe that upping the Zinc is supposed to help with that as well.
So the plan is to keep on the DIM, Cal-D and fiber for another 2 weeks as well as double the Zinc and get re-measured then. he gave me a few more tips and i have a few more questions that I forgot to ask, but ill email them to him tonight.
Overall im expecting a decent decrease in body-fat % as almost every site was down and I gained a kilo of weight!
hmmm…these are interesting changes indeed. I think the flux in sleep and training is whats causing the problems overall. I think if you nailed down a timed schedule for each and then focused on quality that things would change for the better. It may be a matter of your body just balancing the hell out too. Let us know what other tips and answers he comes back with, pretty please of course.
Maxi- did you ever get my PM?
[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
hmmm…these are interesting changes indeed. I think the flux in sleep and training is whats causing the problems overall. I think if you nailed down a timed schedule for each and then focused on quality that things would change for the better. It may be a matter of your body just balancing the hell out too. Let us know what other tips and answers he comes back with, pretty please of course.
Maxi- did you ever get my PM?[/quote]
I think your right, even though sleep is better, im still waking up in the middle of the night at least once to urinate. My practitioner asked my to keep a log for the next 3 days and record what time I am waking up to urinate, depending on the time im waking it might mean some sort of issue that we can fix.
I think im going to try the no-poo method of washing my hair once my current shampoo runs out as well.
Im also going to try to go to bed at least 15-30 minutes earlier each night which should add up to 2-3 extra hours of sleep/week
Hey y’all,
So we had our 2nd appointment sunday and it went super well. Tons of changes. The pract saw me and was like “Hey man hows it going?” Then looked at my girlfriend and said “Oh wow!! Look at you! You look great!”
So either he is a fantastic sales man or Im just kidding its true.
She is almost completely balanced out from all the damage BC did. She has leaned out all over which is related to a lot of factors including the gemmotherapy. Arms and stomach have leaned out a ton. Shes got lil baby horse shoe tris now, cuts by her hips and striations in her shoulders and hams. So she is super pumped.
Me: Im still working on correcting hormones. We started going over this and I was like “I dont know what the hell happened but my pec site was damn near gone last week and now is up and getting worse this week. Im pretty confused cause like 6 things I take are anti-aromatase.” To which his response was “What changed? You changed something, what was it?”
So I start racking my brain and he is asking where do I work, what have I added etc etc. And then the kill shot, he asks “Did you change deodorants?”
If Ill be a sonofabitch, last week EVERY store stopped carrying the one I normally use. So later I go out to the car to check it and sure enough its main ingredient is Aluminum with 2 other ingredients of ‘Hydronated Castrol oil and Hydronated Soybean Oil.’ I had to stop myself from writing death threats to the company. I did not think it would cause a reaction like that. Obviously now that shits in the trash.
So that set me back some. DIM is still on the plate to help clear out the system some more. He wants to work on my sleep, which is a weird issue for me anyways but my girlfriend doesnt help either. So for that I think he is recommending taurine. We are in our 2nd and final round of gemmotherapy and since being back on have already leaned out some more. He said my GH site was better but could be better. My subscap site, for carb tolerance has improved, so thats leaner but my super-iliaic is about the same which means he knows Im still doing too many carbs. Pec site has gone down, he almost couldnt grab it. Tri and chin also decreased.
He is adding some new stuff and taking out some old stuff. I can update you all on that if youre interested.
I am adding 2 products on my own Rez-V and a glucose disposal agent. I can keep everyone posted on that as well.
Today is a cheat meal for me and it looks damn dirty.
Take care
