Right on. Remember to be careful with fat products (that you are ingesting, dont think you can get fat from rubbing fat on your skin, someone should check that though.) because of overall Cal. I dont personally believe in counting cals but its good to note.
I can kind of see/understand the zero change in progress. I started taking on diet recommendations that were outside of what I normally as per practs suggestions and my “dropping of the fat” has slowed. Im going to go back to what I was doing. I do need more Pro fo shizz. I got to find a way to make that happen outside of shakes. Im also thinking of doing a small refeed -100g of carbs on Wed, then a small cheat/refeed on Sun, going 0-trace the rest of the days. My pract did have some solid advice on cheat/refeeds but he throughout some diet suggestions that I dont agree with and tried and didnt notice a positive occurance from.
[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
Right on. Remember to be careful with fat products (that you are ingesting, dont think you can get fat from rubbing fat on your skin, someone should check that though.) because of overall Cal. I dont personally believe in counting cals but its good to note.
I can kind of see/understand the zero change in progress. I started taking on diet recommendations that were outside of what I normally as per practs suggestions and my “dropping of the fat” has slowed. Im going to go back to what I was doing. I do need more Pro fo shizz. I got to find a way to make that happen outside of shakes. Im also thinking of doing a small refeed -100g of carbs on Wed, then a small cheat/refeed on Sun, going 0-trace the rest of the days. My pract did have some solid advice on cheat/refeeds but he throughout some diet suggestions that I dont agree with and tried and didnt notice a positive occurance from.
What and how much are you doing for Edetox?[/quote]
Being in a weight-class sport i weigh myself on a pretty regular basis and my goal when starting the bio-sig was not to lose of gain any significant amount of weight. so far i have only changed up or down 1-2lbs at a time. So if i dropped or gained a large amount of weight then i would def bring it up with my prac and figure out what to cut back on/add more of.
For the estrodetox in taking DIM Avail 2 caps 3 times/day, calcium D-gulcagate 2 caps 3 times/day (they were out of poliquin brand so im on the AOR brand), and then 15g of primal fiber/day with dinner (rotate primal fibers every 8 days)
im going to email my prac today because my urine has been the same color as the DIM capsules and I want to make sure that is not an issue with absorption or something. However my body-weight is actually up 1 pound from Monday but my pants are fitting slightly looser (in a good way) and i think my pecs are tightening up, but its hard to say for sure after less then 4 days.
DIM will often change the colour of urine, it is nothing to worry about. I’ve seen good results with rotating fibres very often, in the range of fibre A in the morning, B in the evening, C the next morning, D that evening. If you have access to that many different fibres, it may be worth considering.
[quote]1llusion wrote:
DIM will often change the colour of urine, it is nothing to worry about. I’ve seen good results with rotating fibres very often, in the range of fibre A in the morning, B in the evening, C the next morning, D that evening. If you have access to that many different fibres, it may be worth considering.[/quote]
thanks a lot for answering my question about the DIM! right now ill just keep doing what my prac had said with rotating every 8 days, but i appreciate your knowledge, keep suggestions flowing
had my “cheat” meal today. For some odd reason i didnt really have any cravings for any traditional junk food like i did the last few weeks so I decided to still get a huge amount of carbs from slightly “healthier” sources this time around.
I had:
12oz steak
Entire large yam
3 glasses milk
1 powerade
bunch of crutons
3tbs of peanut butter (stuff with sugar added) on 2 pieces of whole grain toast.
Ha! Ive noticed a similar thing regarding cheat meals. I have only had 2 so far (first one I over reached and yacked 3xs although that my had something to do with my supplement timing. I felt like I was in the scene from 7 as Glutton Sin) but Im now kind of craving healthy carbs like fruit, larabars and sweet potatoes. I heard DIM can change the color of your urine, orange-ish I think, I didnt have the time or the heart to scare you, only for a second though I dont think Im getting any of that color though, im taking 2 caps 2x a day.
I feel like sites are shrinking although I am aware there has been some flucuation. Vascularity has gone up a whole bunch (it was a minor goal). Midsection is getting pretty low in the BF% area but love handles hanging around. Back has turned out really well, getting the christmas tree I think is what people call it? Lot more definition in the legs. More importantly I feel like hormones are really balancing out. Im starting to feel like I did years ago.
Im loving this 6 weeks = SuperHero workout. Although Im currently under the weather I feel like Im actually getting bigger, lean-er and stronger. I usually do Crossfit and I think next monday will be my first “Crossfit” wod in over a month. Should be an interesting test to see whats changed. Ill be doing Murph and another pre- wod so it should be a REAL good test.
I’m rapidly closing in on the 6 week mark for biosig.
I’m either not progressing, or I just can’t see it. No real scale movement downwards, so will have to wait for the official measures on saturday to tell me what has been going on. I’ve been nailing myself with GVT and going with glutamine, glycine and a greens supp post work out…things MUST have changed…
@hips…I’m very interested in the I3G…Purely in terms of simplicity it would be easier than the insulin protocols. Not sure about the cost benchmarks yet though, I’ve not run the numbers. Either way, to ship to the UK I get r4ped
I am waiting to see other peoples’ outcomes on I3G before I try it out. Looks great on paper, but I am one of those people who “won’t believe the hype” right away. When I first tried Poliquin’s Biosig, I saw and felt results right away, within a week I could tell I had my insulin sites dropping (along with a low carb approach). After a few days, I could wake up and see a difference little by little. Then after a month I tried on a suit that was too tight to get in, and it was now loose as hell.
I am still in shock as to how well the Lean Legs 2.0 has worked for me.
If all of this knowledge about training, nutrition, and supplementation existed when I played football in college, I am frightened to think of what my results would have been. I did really well without any of it, but with it, Good Lord, someone would need to bring Kryptonite with them to beat me.
All makes sense to me. Results narrowing down are understandable, theres really only so much you can squeeze out 1 thing. If something was suppose to help with a particular issue it will act like a jump start and get it going. There isnt one thing thats going to be the end-all-be-all to what ever problem we have. This new supp looks interesting and I agree on waiting. Just looking at the total cost I figure another appt with BioSig Pract+gas+supps+shipping= possibly the same cost of IC3, thats why I was asking.
Ive listed my results and believe that everything is helping. The diet and training that have gone along with it have also helped to benefit. I think everything is working together in a total package, im more strict on diet+more focused on training+percise with supps because everything is effecting everything else.
Sorry im on theraflu night time and coffee, I have no idea what im saying.
Anyone know what the supplement protocol for a high pec reading is? I know that Zinc is the usual prescription, also some kind of estrogen reducing supplement? I am satisfied with my lower body estrogen issues, my pecs need attention.
Just want to say thanks to all of you for sharing your experiences. I have been considering bio-sig for some time, and after reading this thread I do think it’s worth the time and money. Hopefully this thread keeps going and if so I’ll post up my experiences as well.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Anyone know what the supplement protocol for a high pec reading is? I know that Zinc is the usual prescription, also some kind of estrogen reducing supplement? I am satisfied with my lower body estrogen issues, my pecs need attention. [/quote]
steroidz.
but I donno. I do know that zinc at 30mg is often the way to go, haven’t heard about other stuff.
“If a male has high pectoral skin folds, he can take Green Tea Excellence, Grape Seed Supreme, DIM Avail, and DIM Extra, as they will work synergistically with these protocols.”
My de-load week was defiantly worth it and I believe i have pretty much fully adjusted to my new sleep schedule as im feeling a lot better both physically and mentally.
Training has gone very well so far this week and has had a lot of volume and the weights are ramping up each day. The plan is to be lifting close to 100% of my very best in my training lifts by next week. I have also continued to try and keep my workouts quick and at a fast pace, it seems to be working as yesterday i finished a workout that would have normally taken me 2.5 hours in only about a hour and 50 minutes. I did not feel exhausted at the end either, i was tired, but in a good way. Going quicker doesn’t seem to have any effect on the weights im using or on how i execute the lifts so i think that’s a pretty good sign that my conditioning is getting better and better.
Im about half way though the estro-detox and will get my next skin folds taken around then (10-11 days)
Im looking forward to seeing the results as i think i have made a lot more improvements then I did at my last skin folds. Not just in the estrogen sites, but just about everywhere seems at least a little better with out any lose in total bodyweight.
Awesome!
So E areas are tightening up? Are you feeling anything positive from possibly lowering your E and producing or absorbing more T?
See, I had a hunch a while back when you were talking about results slowing down that you were training WAY to long. I was doing the same thing. I was working out for like 2hrs when normally its an hour at max. This I think for both of us, started raising cortisol and casuing problems from there on out. Ive changed this in the last week and have noticed a difference in recovery and insulin sites. I also had to discard what I feel is conflicting Diet advice that the pract gave me. Im “certified” and use Paleo as my way of eating, he made suggestions that are outside my norm, mainly the inclusion of protein shakes, and once I started going by what he said I noticed that my fat loss had stalled. So Im gonna do an experiment and see what happens with fatloss from here.
Max: Tis my problem too. Been working on it for a while, starting to realize its a combo of diet and hormones. I would advise against just jumping on a E detox as there may be other things going on specifically with you. That article is a good one posted above but your E could be doing different things (IE aromatizing, storing, stopping T, etc) I would suggest finding out exactly whats going on and then spend money accordingly. I have heard though that RezV works super well on that problem mainly at the nipple site. Thats where I thought the pract was going to grab me because I had lower pec fat, up chest is super lean compared to lower. IMO
[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
Awesome!
So E areas are tightening up? Are you feeling anything positive from possibly lowering your E and producing or absorbing more T?
See, I had a hunch a while back when you were talking about results slowing down that you were training WAY to long. I was doing the same thing. I was working out for like 2hrs when normally its an hour at max. This I think for both of us, started raising cortisol and casuing problems from there on out. Ive changed this in the last week and have noticed a difference in recovery and insulin sites. I also had to discard what I feel is conflicting Diet advice that the pract gave me. Im “certified” and use Paleo as my way of eating, he made suggestions that are outside my norm, mainly the inclusion of protein shakes, and once I started going by what he said I noticed that my fat loss had stalled. So Im gonna do an experiment and see what happens with fatloss from here.
Max: Tis my problem too. Been working on it for a while, starting to realize its a combo of diet and hormones. I would advise against just jumping on a E detox as there may be other things going on specifically with you. That article is a good one posted above but your E could be doing different things (IE aromatizing, storing, stopping T, etc) I would suggest finding out exactly whats going on and then spend money accordingly. I have heard though that RezV works super well on that problem mainly at the nipple site. Thats where I thought the pract was going to grab me because I had lower pec fat, up chest is super lean compared to lower. IMO[/quote]
ya the E areas are def tighter (as is everything IMO), my hams/gluts don’t really look any more defined, but my pants all fit looser around my ass, but the quads are showing more separation. The chest is a bit tighter as well, i put on a golf shirt that i haven’t worn for a while and my chest looked so much better in it then i remember, triceps are a little harder to tell, but they to seem slightly more defined.
I dont really know what to look for as far as increasing T and lowering E. I do feel a bit more energetic and happy lately, I also seem to be able to focus a bit more in class, and have just felt overall pretty good the last little while. Although its hard to say if that is from T or E or just the fact that im de-loaded and have gotten used to my sleep schedule.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Anyone know what the supplement protocol for a high pec reading is? I know that Zinc is the usual prescription, also some kind of estrogen reducing supplement? I am satisfied with my lower body estrogen issues, my pecs need attention. [/quote]
Just because you are satisfied with your lower body estrogen sites, does not mean that they are not a priority. Most males that I measure come up with estrogen issues.
Zinc is the go-to for a pec priority, at a dose of 2 uber zinc three times per day (150mg three times per day). After a few weeks, you titrate the dose down, eventually working to 1 cap / day. Before you start taking zinc, do the zinc tally test.
[quote]1llusion wrote:
Zinc is the go-to for a pec priority, at a dose of 2 uber zinc three times per day (150mg three times per day). After a few weeks, you titrate the dose down, eventually working to 1 cap / day. [/quote] Could a smaller dose of 100mg per day (taken for a larger period of course) have the same results?
No expert here - but I think that is would be based on the individuals response to the zinc and/or their deficientcy. Ive been taking zinc for a while, like almost a year straight now, but consistently not at a high dose, I dont think I could do a dose that high. I tried about a month back and my arm was twitching like a tweeker! My pract mentioned zinc depletes copper and you can twitch. I want to try a dose that high, but I dont think im that deficient anymore.
[quote]1llusion wrote:
Zinc is the go-to for a pec priority, at a dose of 2 uber zinc three times per day (150mg three times per day). After a few weeks, you titrate the dose down, eventually working to 1 cap / day. [/quote] Could a smaller dose of 100mg per day (taken for a larger period of course) have the same results?
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Why not take a larger dose, waste less time and money and see results quicker? That way you can move on to another priority. Right?
Dosage will depend on zinc levels but my experience is, and I think 1llusion will agree, if you lift weights and you’ve never undergone a zinc supplement protocol before you’re probably safe to start @ 150g tid. Chances are, like I was, you are SUPER deficient.
I dont think Im getting any of that color though, im taking 2 caps 2x a day.