Light Cutting Cycle

Pharma / TRT
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I’m doing my second light cutting cycle and having great results so far. Here is the cycle:

Clen
20/20/40/60/60/60/80/80/80/80/80/80/80/80/60/60/60/40/20/20

T3
50/50/75/100/100/100/100/100/100/100/100/75/75/75/50/50/50/25

Liquidex
1mg daily

So far the results have been great. My first “Clen only” cycle took me from 24% bf down to 20%. Since starting the new cycle I have gone down to 18% bf in 4 days.

Interestingly, strength is increasing with bench 1rm going from 235 to 250.

I’m noticing today I’m pretty damn hot and I’m having some problems with muscle cramps.

I currently eat about an 80/10/10 split between protein/carbs/fat. I keep it pretty clean and supplement with Body Fortress Whey just because I can get 52g of protein in one serving.

So should I be loading any particular nutrients to combat side effects like cramps? What should I be watching out for?

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first as gently as i can put it your cycle sucks and your goin to eat off your muscle which isent fun for anybody. Simply add a little test and it will be 100X better.

Now that said. Drink plenty of water, 1-2 gals a day. 1g taurine AM to combat headaches from the clen if u get them as your dose gets higher.

I really would stop the cycle til u can get some test.

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I have NEVER seen that kind of macronutrient split. Ever. No fat or carbs? How do you even think?

Very very unhealthy mate… vitamins A,D,E and K are all fat solubule, and are you getting enough fibre?

Tell me you eat all your carbs in vegetables and all your fat is flax oil…

JJ

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No added test at all yet you plan to take 1mg of adex per day?

Start you T3 dosage at 25mcg and work up 25mcg every 3-4 days.

Also agree that the water and taurine are a must for what you have planned.

Edit:
Its also highly unlikely that you are losing a possible 1% bf every couple of days. I also must agree that your marco breakdown just plain sucks.

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[quote]Dave1188 wrote:
first as gently as i can put it your cycle sucks and your goin to eat off your muscle which isent fun for anybody. Simply add a little test and it will be 100X better.

Now that said. Drink plenty of water, 1-2 gals a day. 1g taurine AM to combat headaches from the clen if u get them as your dose gets higher.

I really would stop the cycle til u can get some test. [/quote]

I’m not master of clen by any means, but will he really get his muscle “eaten away” at that high of a BF%? Usually I don’t hear of that many issues until someone is approaching single digit BF%, or straight up starvation diets.

Sure, his nervous system may be working more efficiently, but if his strength is still going up, could he really be losing that much muscle as it is?

If he just fixed up his diet a little more to an anabolic diet type of routine would he be better off? These are the same questions that I have for myself (planning on doing a 2 on/2 off/2 on/2 off cycle)If it seems like I’m hijacking this (sorry in advance), then PMs would be great.

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awful, just plain awful.

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[quote]Dave1188 wrote:
awful, just plain awful. [/quote]

Informative. Kthx.

At least pwn me with your uber knowledge so I’ll learn something by a virtual slap in the face, instead of getting vibes that you’re being snobby and elitist. (sarcasm) Sorry for being such a lowly, ignorant peon. (/sarcasm)

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lol was talking to OP. how could i say anything bad about u when i cant stop fucking staring at your avatar.

but…in my experience the last thing i wanna do is go backwards by any means as fas as size. Maybe if he just used one or the other at a small dose /w cardio and diet it would be ok. Using those compounds at those dosages while eating his “interesting” micro diet will probably result in disappointment. He needs to focus on diet and cardio, he wants the easy way out. Just saying i wouldn’t take that cycle in his situation,but some people just wanna get skinny.

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[quote]Dave1188 wrote:
lol was talking to OP. how could i say anything bad about u when i cant stop fucking staring at your avatar.

but…in my experience the last thing i wanna do is go backwards by any means as fas as size. Maybe if he just used one or the other at a small dose /w cardio and diet it would be ok. Using those compounds at those dosages while eating his “interesting” micro diet will probably result in disappointment. He needs to focus on diet and cardio, he wants the easy way out. Just saying i wouldn’t take that cycle in his situation,but some people just wanna get skinny. [/quote]

Well then, don’t I feel like an asshole. :stuck_out_tongue:

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OK, guess I better clear some stuff up here so I get better feedback. It’s my fault really, I should know better than to write a request like that when I’m in a hurry (leaving work).

3 Week Cycle:

Clen
20/20/40/60/60/60/80/80/80/80/80/80/80/80/60/60/60/40/20/20

T3
50/50/75/100/100/100/100/100/100/100/100/75/75/75/50/50/50/25

Liquidex
1mg daily

Suppliments:
1 multivitamin
B12 2mg
B6 150mg
Omega 3 Fish Oil 3000mg

Diet:

Meal 1: 9 egg whites omelette, 1 cup oatmeal, 1/2 cup blueberries, 6 oz water packed tuna, 1.5 cups 2% milk.

Meal 2: 5 oz turkey, whey protein shake

Meal 3: 10 oz chicken, .5 cup mixed green veggies

Meal 4: whey protein shake

Meal 5: 10 oz chicken, .5 cup mixed green veggies

Meal 6: whey protein shake

Calories 2757
Fat 48g
Carbs 101g
Protein 460g

Workout (This changes weekly, but here is this week):

Monday

45 mins Yoga

Leg Press 50% 5x1 60% 4X1 70% 3X2 80% 2X5

Slight Incline Bench 50% 5x1 60% 4X1 70% 2X2 80% 3X5

Flies 10X5

Pushups 10X5

Calf Raises w/dumbells 45% 3X2 55% 3X2 60% 2x4

Shrugs 5x5

Tuesday
60 mins elliptical machine

Wednesday
Rows 50% 3x1 60% 3x1 70% 3x2 75% 2x4

Slight Incline Bench 50% 6x1 60% 6x2 65% 6x4

Flies 10x5

Rows 55% 4x1 65% 4x1 75% 4x2 80% 4x4

Lunges 5x5

Thursday
45 mins treadmill at 3mph

Friday

45 mins Yoga

Leg Press 50% 5x1 60% 4X1 70% 3X2 80% 2X5

Slight Incline Bench 50% 5x1 60% 4X1 70% 3X2 80% 2X2
75% 3x1 65% 5x1 55% 7x1

Flies 10x5

Calf Raises w/dumbells 50% 5x1 60% 5x2 70% 4x4

Shrugs 5x5

My 1rp’s are:
Bench 250
Leg Press 650
Flies 50
Shrug 300
Rows 210

I realize the stack is unconventional, but there’s been a lot of trial and error involved in developing it. I doubt it would be good for many other people but it works for me. I’m combating the muscle loss by eating big and lifting very heavy (for me). The fact I’m getting stronger encourages me as well. i would do some T with it, but my fiancee and I are getting married in a couple months and are going to start trying for kids right away. I don’t want a low T count or atrophy to get in the way of that.

I also tend to get a stronger than most anabolic effect from Clen. I’m also a natural gainer. At 5’6" and 195 I’m pretty big. So losing a little muscle mass doesn’t concern me a lot as long as I’m not losing it at more than a 50/50 ratio on fat. So far the measurements from the BodyLogic Body fat analyzer I own are showing my weight loss to be around 50%-75% fat.

So I went from 204lbs at 24%bf to 200 at 20%bf. Now I went from 200 to 195 at 18%. I wrote a little program that predicted the trend and includes a bit of a sliding scale because I expect this to get harder as I get into the lower bf digits.

If the trend continues, I should end up at 10% bf at 180lbs. Still a good weight for 5’6".

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you are gonna be a little tiny thing when you are finished! lol!

where did you get your loading patterns from (weights) - why are you only doing 2 or 3 reps with 70% of your 1RM? 70% is a weight that people fail at 7-8 reps IIRC. So that means you are only doing 1 work set per exercise… is this true?
Or is is power and you are concentrating on lifting speed?

Or am i totally missing the obvious?!

Percentage loading can be very effective IF it is used as part of a larger plan… ie:

6(reps)x4(sets)@ 75%1RM week 1
8x3 @ 75% week 2
10x3 @ 70% week 3
15x1 @ 55% week 4
3x5 @ 80% week 5
5x5 @ 80% week 6

just a crappy example but of differing loading to give recovery, deload, failure and even overload in just 6 weeks (do not do this plan!)

See what i mean? If it is one of the guys here, and works then fine - but link me so i can read it please :wink:

Glad to see the egg yolks were dropped…

How much you losing a week?
How are your waist and arm measurements (arm flexed - dont want that to reduce much at all)
How is your bodyfat measured?

glad to see you are getting results again…

JJ

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[quote] JJ wrote:
you are gonna be a little tiny thing when you are finished! lol!

where did you get your loading patterns from (weights) - why are you only doing 2 or 3 reps with 70% of your 1RM? 70% is a weight that people fail at 7-8 reps IIRC. So that means you are only doing 1 work set per exercise… is this true?
Or is is power and you are concentrating on lifting speed?

Or am i totally missing the obvious?!

Percentage loading can be very effective IF it is used as part of a larger plan… ie:

6(reps)x4(sets)@ 75%1RM week 1
8x3 @ 75% week 2
10x3 @ 70% week 3
15x1 @ 55% week 4
3x5 @ 80% week 5
5x5 @ 80% week 6

just a crappy example but of differing loading to give recovery, deload, failure and even overload in just 6 weeks (do not do this plan!)

See what i mean? If it is one of the guys here, and works then fine - but link me so i can read it please :wink:

Glad to see the egg yolks were dropped…

How much you losing a week?
How are your waist and arm measurements (arm flexed - dont want that to reduce much at all)
How is your bodyfat measured?

glad to see you are getting results again…

JJ[/quote]

I am working on increasing my upper body strength right now. My goal is a 300lb bench by December, and down to less than 12% bf. So far I am on track.

The lifting pattern is Sheiko’s workout set #29. I’m moving to #35 when I finish this one, with a week off in between. I have to modify them to replace the squats with leg press and deadlifts with rows. My back can’t do those anymore and let’s face it. My legs don’t need more size.

Now, once the fiancee is knocked up good, I plan on doing my first serious lean muscle mass gain cycle. I’ve pretty much got it planned out, but getting gear where I live is tough.

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Re arrange your macros to 50 protein, 30 fat, 20 carb for a cut if your insulin resistant play with the carbs more and get loadsa of fish oil down you.

Eating that much protein over the other macros will make your body to efficent at utilising aminos for energy.

After effect; muscle gains will be very, very hard even with anabolic assistance and you will get fat as your body wont know what else to do with carbs and fat; not quite accurate but thats the underlying fact.

Not having a swipe just dont wanna see suffer in the future.

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I damn well know i Couldent get stronger while taking that catabolic cocktail hes got worked up while dieting + cardio. Maybe im a pussy but that sounds funny to me to be getting PR’s in the gym doing it how he is. Perhaps its different cause im guessing he never achieved his personal natural potential before use of drugs.

“bench 1rm going from 235 to 250”

Im just guessing here

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Look into HCG to keep your balls big while trying to get your wife pregnant. That way you can use Test and not worry so much about the possibility of infertility.

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Sporting some headache and feeling tired today. I think I’m gonna cut the T3 back to 50mg from here on out. Did some reading and it really super-enhances the clen so I’m getting the cut effect anyway.

I’ll adjust the carb/protein/fat ratio too. Any suggestions on good carbs/fats to use?

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FATS:

Flax oil
EVOO
Seeds
Nuts
Advocado
Salmon
Mackerel
NO ANIMAL FATS OR SOLID AT ROOM TEMP FATS, ALSO WATCH PB INTAKE.

CARBS:

Sweet potato
Wholewheat pasta
Wholegrain rice
Beans/Pulses
Vegetables GALORE
Fruit
Oats
Couscous
Quinola
Rye/Pumpernickel breads

JJ

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Thanks a lot man. But I gotta ask, what is PB you mention above?

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peanut butter - do you eat that in the south? ;p

OH and no fried chicken. i know you lot…

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[quote] JJ wrote:
peanut butter - do you eat that in the south? ;p

OH and no fried chicken. i know you lot…[/quote]

Oh dude… We totally eat peanut butter and fried chicken. But not me. I swore em both off years ago.