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master: could a female get sick from CDG as well? My gf and I are running a similar protocol. She went on birthcontrol and had horrible results as it jacked her hormones up hard. Im using a smaller version of this to help her balance but recently (last night) she has been saying she felt dizzy and like throwing up. I think she is taking 500mg CDG.

Ill look into the estrogenomics, problem is I am broke as a joke right now. I moved and was expecting to get paid like a normal person but my jobs arent allowing that right now. Everything is on strict budget which is why I am trying to pick and choose what to do. If I had the cash I would go to a local pract and get this done but I dont so Im trying to pick all of your wonderful brains :slight_smile:

[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
master: could a female get sick from CDG as well? My gf and I are running a similar protocol. She went on birthcontrol and had horrible results as it jacked her hormones up hard. Im using a smaller version of this to help her balance but recently (last night) she has been saying she felt dizzy and like throwing up. I think she is taking 500mg CDG.

Ill look into the estrogenomics, problem is I am broke as a joke right now. I moved and was expecting to get paid like a normal person but my jobs arent allowing that right now. Everything is on strict budget which is why I am trying to pick and choose what to do. If I had the cash I would go to a local pract and get this done but I dont so Im trying to pick all of your wonderful brains :)[/quote]

very few ppl may be sensitive to cdg but its more than likely the dim or uber sulfuphane(sp. check) that makes them feel sick. birth control may interfere with the supplements or vice versa. Im not too sure on this one but ill be taking a women’s issues biosig course this june so hopefully i can find out some more of these answers. fiber is also important for health and eliminating toxins

[quote]EasyRhino wrote:

[quote]tork94 wrote:
Also all other things being equal a 210lbs guy with 10% bodyfat is going to be stronger then the same 210lbs guy at 15% simply from having more muscle on their frame.
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That’s true, but what’s your bodyfat?

I’m skeptical of biosig in general, but I also suspect it wouldn’t be very useful unless you’re pretty lean already, and if it throws out “interesting” results, rather than fairly even fat distribution.[/quote]

to answer this the answer is no, there isnt always an even distibution. alot of austrailians may be lean all over but once you get to their hamstrings they are 25! and their quad may be 8 or 10. enviornmental estrogens are the cause. one thing i learned from charles is that insulin and estrogen fuel cancer cells. there are high rates of prostate cancer(which is an estrogen not a testosterone problem so DONT get ur T shut off like a stupid past client of mine did) and female reproductive cancers.

what my biosig revealed is that i was turning my T into E because of a zinc deficiency that was confirmed first with the zinc tester liquid and once i got back from NY i got a redblood cell zinc test. now that ive been on uber zinc px the past several months the zinc tally taste more metalic and soom ill schedule another rbc zinc test to confirm things. u may use the zinc tally test weekly or biweekly to asses zinc levels. U may also use it to replenish ur zinc levels quicker but ask a biosig prac first, that u meet in person not on the forum like me.

So Charles assitant measured my Pec at 4 and Triceps at 5. Ideally ull want these below 3 and 4 respectively. Since my diet has been pretty much paleo for several years my subscap was 8 and supra iliac was at 5 which indicated that i was insulin sensitive and could mangage carbs properly.

my quad and ham were 5 and <8 respectively. tip: if u want these to go down stop being a metro sexual and by that i mean stop using fragrances, deoderants, lotions, etc. these containe phatalates(sp. check) and parabens that disrupt hormones and raise estrogen levels. u can go to ewg.org and find out what products are safer.

question concerning CDG and Zinc: can I take em at the same time? Ive read theories on both ends. It would be a lot easier to take them same time since I only eat 2x a day and with this zinc I have to take with food because its killing my stomach.

Tork: what supps are you currently on right now? What are you doing since your bootcamp is over eating wise? Is it that every 5th day cheat meal protocol?
Thank you

[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
question concerning CDG and Zinc: can I take em at the same time? Ive read theories on both ends. It would be a lot easier to take them same time since I only eat 2x a day and with this zinc I have to take with food because its killing my stomach.

Tork: what supps are you currently on right now? What are you doing since your bootcamp is over eating wise? Is it that every 5th day cheat meal protocol?
Thank you[/quote]

eating twice a day is one problem. fix that. cdg should be taken 3 times a day any ways so shoot for 3 main meals, 1 or 2 snacks and a post workout meal.

Do one protocol at a time!

  1. do the acid test with digest force 2.0. take poliquins hcl products or ur supps might not even get broken down
  2. estrogen protocol
  3. etc

Getting blood work will also help your progress tremendously. Red blood cell zinc, cpt code: 84630. call ur insurance company and see if they cover it. i have blue cross/blue sheild and they covered it all. ull wanna shoot for the upper range. but like i said fix ur priority first which can only be confirmed with a biosig prac that has the software then move on to the next priority. These do work. Nick Mitchell is a PICP coach out of London and he’s put clients on testosterone protocols and only their triceps site has gone down due to them becoming more androgenic.

Word. Good adivce master. Im looking into contacting with a pract but they havent called me back yet.

I eat 2x a day because Ive been hooked on IF. Its basically 2 solid meals and 1 pre-wod shake. Thats what I have been doing as of recent.

So no problem with CDG combined with Zinc. Check. Ill try to make sure I get it 3x a day but at what dosage?

I am acid testing taking HCL with each meal. Im on 3 caps between protein consumption but no burning sensation, that I can tell, as of yet. Going up to 4 caps tomorrow. I think this zinc I have been taking has been ruining my insides.

Ive had blood work done. It was a freaking mess. I saw endos, uros, everything except a gyno. I ended up in worse condition.

thanks for input

[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
Word. Good adivce master. Im looking into contacting with a pract but they havent called me back yet.

I eat 2x a day because Ive been hooked on IF. Its basically 2 solid meals and 1 pre-wod shake. Thats what I have been doing as of recent.

So no problem with CDG combined with Zinc. Check. Ill try to make sure I get it 3x a day but at what dosage?

I am acid testing taking HCL with each meal. Im on 3 caps between protein consumption but no burning sensation, that I can tell, as of yet. Going up to 4 caps tomorrow. I think this zinc I have been taking has been ruining my insides.

Ive had blood work done. It was a freaking mess. I saw endos, uros, everything except a gyno. I ended up in worse condition.

thanks for input[/quote]

ur prac will be able to help u with the supplement schedule as far as what, when, and how much.

Master,

Funny that you mention gut health with estrogen and toxins, in 1995 I was diagnosed with Ulcerative Colitis. It was so bad, that within a year I had a total colectomy (the whole large intestine removed.) I have always had what I consider bitch hips, basically fatty hips and glutes, fucking sucks as a dude. I can get lean almost everywhere else, but the ass and hips are fucking stubborn as hell. Also pecs too, they don’t like to lean out the way that I want them to.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Master,

Funny that you mention gut health with estrogen and toxins, in 1995 I was diagnosed with Ulcerative Colitis. It was so bad, that within a year I had a total colectomy (the whole large intestine removed.) I have always had what I consider bitch hips, basically fatty hips and glutes, fucking sucks as a dude. I can get lean almost everywhere else, but the ass and hips are fucking stubborn as hell. Also pecs too, they don’t like to lean out the way that I want them to.[/quote]

What i was talking about is a little different. Ur talking lower i was refering to upper gi trac. Im talking about the bacteria in ur small intestine. There’s goood and bad bac. in there. the problem is ppl usually have more bad

of course tho id rather have UC than be that guy from 1 guy 1 jar lol anyways…

We learn alot about that in class along with Crohns disease and other inflammatory bowel syndromes. Ask a biosig prac about using high dosage of fish oils and possibley a gut healing protocol

Tork!: Whats the latest?
I have an appointment with a pract on sunday. Looking forward to it very much as he says he does things slightly differently than most other practs.
If anyone is interested I can discuss and maybe Tork and I can compare notes. Also my gf will be getting a sig done if anyone wants input on females.

Hips, very interested in hearing about your experience as well as your gf’s

[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
Tork!: Whats the latest?
I have an appointment with a pract on sunday. Looking forward to it very much as he says he does things slightly differently than most other practs.
If anyone is interested I can discuss and maybe Tork and I can compare notes. Also my gf will be getting a sig done if anyone wants input on females. [/quote]

Not a whole lot to be up-dated at the moment, still eating very low carb during the week (although im now allowed small amounts of berries PWO) , but I am now having a cheat meal once every 5-7 days (at my own judgment) its actually been 8 days now (i want to get it so the cheat meals is on Saturday), so I will be having a lot tonight. Thinking fried chicken, lots of cheese potatoes, maybe some pizza and lots of ice-cream :slight_smile:

I really need it to imo, workouts had been very good, but yesterday was really trash as I felt weak and tired and had a hard time on weights that are usually very routine, also found that I needed to keep my rest periods longer between sets then normal and im also a bit sorer then normal. So im pretty sure that carbing up will remedy this and get me working well again until next cheat meal.

As far as how I look, this is probably the first week where I have actually been able to SEE and not just feel leaner, my chest, upper back and calves are for sure looking leaner! I have started to go to bed earlier and get up earlier so maybe that can account for the calves leaning out a bit as the calves are supposed to be related to GH production.

Ill have my next readings done either next Friday (13th) or the monday after that (16th)

Im also planning on competing on the 28th so im really looking forward to that! (haven’t decided if ill make weight(94kg) or just compete as what im weighing now(97kg) as its just a small local competition that I expect to win regardless of weight-class.

Question to tbruce, or master of rhythem.

What brands do you use for your shampoo/soap/bodywash etc…

I have been searching on some websites to try and find these items that are lower risk and dont contain phalates etc… but still looking for some in site on the brands that you go for. Thanks

My estrogen protocol looks to involve DIM, calcium D-glucarate and 3 different fiber supplements and would last for 1 month, my practitioner is pretty confident that 1 month would be enough on this protocol to see significant benefit. The problem is that it would run me about $210 for that month, on top of everything else.

Ill have to check out my finances as i still own money to a few family members for helping me out with car repairs, but im also expecting a sporting donation with in the next month.

Tork,

If you are interested in really natural shampoo type stuff, google “no poo”, which means no shampoo. You clean your hair with a combo of baking soda and apple cider vinegar (no your hair won’t smell). I have been doing it for a few months, hair has NEVER looked better (and I have some thick curly/wavy hair.)

I found out that sodium lauryl sulfate can be used to degrease a car engine, yea I don’t want to put that shit on my head. Not to mention that many chemicals are absorbed at higher levels transdermally (through the skin), just something for you to think about…

Whats the mix for the baking soda and ACV Max? ie 1 cup baking soda, plus 1/2 cup ACV.

Thinking about it some more, sounds likea recipe for one of those exploding volcanoes from elementary, hmmmm…

haha not quite Matty. Here I will post a link that explains it all…

theirs also this site which gives ratings on the toxic risks of thousands of products

just search for a brand, find the product and it gives you a hazard rating from 0-10, 10 being the worst. I have found a few soaps/body-washes and shampoos that rate at “1” that are affordable, but ill look into the no-poo.

[quote]t.bruce wrote:
@ProjectX: High levels of cortisol can be related to a number of things. You have to ask yourself a few questions:

(1) Do I have a consistent time I got to bed and get up in the morning? (Side Note: not being able to fall asleep at night and/or not being able to get up in the morning are both related to cortisol, more specifically adrenal stress) If so, address this issue first and foremost. Your bedroom should be pitch black like a cave and free of significant amounts of electromagnetic fields (that means the TV, cell phone, laptop have to go). I know it sounds funny but I sleep with a mask and ear plugs and wake up feeling way better than if I don’t. Magnesium supplementation is a must and I have also found that moderate doses of Melatonin (3-5 mcg) work wonders as a last resort.

(2) Am I consuming foods that I am intolerant to? Typical intolerances include wheat, gluten, dairy, nuts and eggs. This causes your immune system to be under constant stress. I find I can drop a couple % body fat (especially in the abdomen) when I eliminate grains and dairy from my diet.

(3) Is it possible that I am over-training? This is very, very unlikely—it takes a lot to over-train. Still a possibility. If you train 7 days/week, dread going to the gym, feel chronically fatigued, are losing strength and look like a zombie… then this may apply to you.

(4) Do I drink too much? Frequent alcholic binging can really take its toll. But I think everyone here is aware of that…

(5) Do I spend too much time on T-Nation worrying if my workout/nutrition program is PERFECT? (I used to be guilty of this). Find something that fits your goals and stick to it—or better yet: hire someone else to tell you what to do. Rid yourself of TMI (too much information) and focus on training, eating, sleeping and spending quality time with family, friends and doing things you enjoy. This actually will have a much greater impact than you think!

Hopefully that helps! I would try to optimize any of these before you go looking for supplements to help out.[/quote]

thanks man!

  1. i go to bed at 3am and wake up at noon pretty consistently. hard time getting out of bed. my room has been converted to a pitch black cave for years (poliquin suggestion from way back i think). i’m under the belief that sleeping from 10 pm to 6 am would be better though.

  2. hmm, i avoided wheat and dairy for a looong time and still had the pudgy cortisol gut. maybe it’s the nuts n’ eggs i eat.

  3. definitely not over training.

  4. never drank in my life.

thanks for the help!

EDIT: oh and i do take magnesium and melatonin every night before bed.

[quote]ProjectX wrote:

[quote]t.bruce wrote:
@ProjectX: High levels of cortisol can be related to a number of things. You have to ask yourself a few questions:

(1) Do I have a consistent time I got to bed and get up in the morning? (Side Note: not being able to fall asleep at night and/or not being able to get up in the morning are both related to cortisol, more specifically adrenal stress) If so, address this issue first and foremost. Your bedroom should be pitch black like a cave and free of significant amounts of electromagnetic fields (that means the TV, cell phone, laptop have to go). I know it sounds funny but I sleep with a mask and ear plugs and wake up feeling way better than if I don’t. Magnesium supplementation is a must and I have also found that moderate doses of Melatonin (3-5 mcg) work wonders as a last resort.

if u eat the same foods every day u will raise yoour cortisol get on a five day food rotation. buy the poliquiin podcast on his web site for 5 or 10 bucks on fatloss and lean muscle mass. over 60 minuets of high quality information. they greatly prepared me for my courses with him

(2) Am I consuming foods that I am intolerant to? Typical intolerances include wheat, gluten, dairy, nuts and eggs. This causes your immune system to be under constant stress. I find I can drop a couple % body fat (especially in the abdomen) when I eliminate grains and dairy from my diet.

(3) Is it possible that I am over-training? This is very, very unlikely—it takes a lot to over-train. Still a possibility. If you train 7 days/week, dread going to the gym, feel chronically fatigued, are losing strength and look like a zombie… then this may apply to you.

(4) Do I drink too much? Frequent alcholic binging can really take its toll. But I think everyone here is aware of that…

(5) Do I spend too much time on T-Nation worrying if my workout/nutrition program is PERFECT? (I used to be guilty of this). Find something that fits your goals and stick to it—or better yet: hire someone else to tell you what to do. Rid yourself of TMI (too much information) and focus on training, eating, sleeping and spending quality time with family, friends and doing things you enjoy. This actually will have a much greater impact than you think!

Hopefully that helps! I would try to optimize any of these before you go looking for supplements to help out.[/quote]

thanks man!

  1. i go to bed at 3am and wake up at noon pretty consistently. hard time getting out of bed. my room has been converted to a pitch black cave for years (poliquin suggestion from way back i think). i’m under the belief that sleeping from 10 pm to 6 am would be better though.

  2. hmm, i avoided wheat and dairy for a looong time and still had the pudgy cortisol gut. maybe it’s the nuts n’ eggs i eat.

  3. definitely not over training.

  4. never drank in my life.

thanks for the help!

EDIT: oh and i do take magnesium and melatonin every night before bed.[/quote]