Poliquin Bio-signature

I use Matcha Green Tea from Teavana. It’s the whole leaf pulverized into a powder, so you are basically eating the leaves along with the hot water they are steeped in.

Any updates?

[quote]Bonesaw93 wrote:
Any updates?[/quote]

I dont have any real up-dates right now, im training hard and lifting well, but due to it being exam time in university in not going to get another skin-fold taken until at least a week after my last exam. when i do ill for sure let you guys know.

on another topic, since i found that i have a moderate reaction to eggs (Blood test) i have not had eggs for about 6 weeks. Do any of the bio-signature guys know how long is long enough to eliminate eggs before re-introducing them 2-3 times/week?

[quote]tork94 wrote:

[quote]Bonesaw93 wrote:
Any updates?[/quote]

I dont have any real up-dates right now, im training hard and lifting well, but due to it being exam time in university in not going to get another skin-fold taken until at least a week after my last exam. when i do ill for sure let you guys know.

on another topic, since i found that i have a moderate reaction to eggs (Blood test) i have not had eggs for about 6 weeks. Do any of the bio-signature guys know how long is long enough to eliminate eggs before re-introducing them 2-3 times/week? [/quote]

If it showed up on your 1st Signet Diagnostic’s LEAP MRT 150 then you take it out,

heal your gut for 3 weeks with the gut rebuilding protocol,

5 weeks later get another LEAP MRT done again and if eggs show up on it this time eliminate them for life!

Also getting a Genova Diagnostic’s Intestinal Permability Test done will also confirm if your gut is fully healed. Food sensitivites, amongst other things, cause leaky gut. Order this kit at healthremidies.com.

If they don’t show up the second time just eat a dozen every five days, cave men didnt have access to eggs year round, and don’t inhale them when u eat them. Drink your food and chew your drinks! Boil them or poach them. Eat free range eggs. Go to eatwild.com to find a local farmer.

U can become very sensitive to eggs and it happens to be one of the most common food sensitivites amongst soy, gluten, dairy, etc. I had a friend who ate 3 dozen , commercial raised, eggs a DAY, until his throat swelled up from an allergic reaction. Drugs will do wonders tho which is why he still looked great, lean, vascular and striated, but over all he was still small 5’8", 160 at 5% BF and could barley close-grip bench press 205. Drugs mask your true health status.

been pretty burnt out lately so im going to change up my training for a few weeks, add some other sports, basketball, swimming, sprinting, football, jumping etc…

anyways, for school im getting hydrostatic weighing done, so it will be interesting to see how the bio-signature program/practitioner compares to the accuracy to the gold standard test.

If its kool to throw out my updates I will make this quick.

Got BioSig cert(ed) in Sept 11, been racking up clients ever since.

My results: They have been getting pretty good.
First BioSig results back in Oct 11th of last year were:
184lbs Bf%:12.8 Lean mass lbs:160.4
High Numbers: Pec: 3.2 Tri: 7.4 Sub: 9 Mid: 6 Supra:11.7 Um:14.2 Quad:14.6 Ham:22.4
Ham was number one priority so in the end of Dec I ran a Bootcamp diet along with a full estrogen protocol.

Was finally able to find a pract and get my own BioSig on 1/13 Changes we as follows:
187.4lbs BF%:9.9 Lean Mass lbs:168.9
Pec:2.6 Tri:3.4 Sub:8.4 Mid:5.4 Supra:9.8 Um:12.2 Quad:7.8 Ham:13
So priorities switched from ham being number 1 and Um being number 2 to
Um being number 1 and ham being number 2.
Once products come in I will actually be rocking a 7 day cleanse that I am pretty stoked about. The new Pract I found is fantastic at what he does and how he has developed BioSig to fit new and different things. I have a lot to learn from him.

hey guys,

i had skinfolds does yesterday, not anything good or really bad, just more disapointment…

quads, pecs and knee were the lowest they have ever been, which is nice since my pecs are my worst looking site imo…

however, pretty much everything else was up slightly, esp triceps and suprailiac.
I bought some tongkat ali to see if it will help testosterone, as well as ortho-glucose 2 from AOR for insulin, im also going to try a detox program from “Heel” that has 3 types of drops in your water through out the day for 3 weeks, suposed to be gentle. my prac thinks my test is poor because of toxicity, and he suggested trying to have my post workout meal closer to my shake, closer to an hour, as opposed to the 1.5-2 hours that i was taking to help my use the carbs better and get the subra-illiac back down.

I have been working REALLY hard in the gym, squatting VERY hard and trying to shorten my sessions from 2.5-3 hours to under 2 hours (still doing the same amount of work) but it hasnt paid off yet.

right now im having 50g of carbpoweder with my PWO shake and some yam, sweetpotato or quinoa with my post workout meal. pretty much everyday, maybe it would be wise to cycle this?

any advice from other pracs, this year feels like a waste for the most part.

tork94, I’m not sure why you’re having carbs with your PWO shake and then all those other carbs with your PWO meal… From my understanding, a high supra-iliac reading is due to environmental carb intake. I.e. you’re ingesting far too many carbs than your body can handle.

I’ve had great results with going carbs only from vegetables and then a cheat meal with carbs once every 5 days (because you do need some carbs). Have you considered this approach before?

Also, please let us know how the Heel detox kit goes… Sounds interesting. How much did that kit cost btw?

[quote]hungryone wrote:
tork94, I’m not sure why you’re having carbs with your PWO shake and then all those other carbs with your PWO meal… From my understanding, a high supra-iliac reading is due to environmental carb intake. I.e. you’re ingesting far too many carbs than your body can handle.

I’ve had great results with going carbs only from vegetables and then a cheat meal with carbs once every 5 days (because you do need some carbs). Have you considered this approach before?

Also, please let us know how the Heel detox kit goes… Sounds interesting. How much did that kit cost btw?[/quote]

i have done that before and made some good gains, however those gains stopped for a while to and i switched to more modest carbs pretty much every day, but maybe its time to try the cheat meal every 5 days again and see if that kick starts anything again. Do you suggest having the cheat meal PWO once a week or so? maybe go out to lunch with the guys after our Saturday session (usually the one i squat the hardest during) and stuff our faces with pizza or something???

or do you think that having just protein PWO (with glutamine/glycine) and having a low GI carb for PWO meal each day would be better?

I think the detox cost me 90 bucks.

thanks so much for your response, im getting fairly desperate as im sure you can tell.

Hungryone,

Do you (or did you) have a high suprailiac reading ? Did it drop when you started the “only veggies as carbs” protocol ?

[quote]tork94 wrote:
i have done that before and made some good gains, however those gains stopped for a while to and i switched to more modest carbs pretty much every day, but maybe its time to try the cheat meal every 5 days again and see if that kick starts anything again. Do you suggest having the cheat meal PWO once a week or so? maybe go out to lunch with the guys after our Saturday session (usually the one i squat the hardest during) and stuff our faces with pizza or something???

or do you think that having just protein PWO (with glutamine/glycine) and having a low GI carb for PWO meal each day would be better?

I think the detox cost me 90 bucks.

thanks so much for your response, im getting fairly desperate as im sure you can tell.
[/quote]

I think the cheat meal once every 5-7 days is perfect… Going low carb for too long has a number of issues, especially on mood and being able to properly oxidize BCAAs, so I’d definitely suggest doing that.

And I’m not sure if you’ve tried going Paleo as for diet. But that’s what I subscribe to, along with keeping things low carb. One of the things I’ve learn is what I’d call “better cheating”… For example, when I cheat I wouldn’t have a pizza or chocolate milk or something to that effect (both totally NON-PALEO). But instead my cheat meal would include better choices: sweet potatoes, chocolate covered almonds, sushi, etc… You see what I mean? That way I carb up but I don’t totally f**k over my body with tons of gluten.

And the rules for a cheat meal should be:
Cheat meal must include protein - and this should be eat FIRST
You should wake up leaner the next day - if not, next cheat meal decrease the amount of carbs by 20%

Also, how is your umbilicus aka cortisol readings? Just judging by how long and how often you workout I’d think this would be a huge issue for you…

And keep plugging away, eventually you will find the right combo and things will click!

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Hungryone,

Do you (or did you) have a high suprailiac reading ? Did it drop when you started the “only veggies as carbs” protocol ?[/quote]

Yes I did! I started at 16.2 and dropped it to 9.3 with that protocol. One other thing I did was the “Homemade treatment for Blood Sugar”… Basically a cinnamon tea:
http://www.charlespoliquin.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Articles/Article/254/Homemade_Treatment_for_Blood_Sugar.aspx

I feel it really helped improve my insulin senstivity!

[quote]hungryone wrote:

[quote]tork94 wrote:
i have done that before and made some good gains, however those gains stopped for a while to and i switched to more modest carbs pretty much every day, but maybe its time to try the cheat meal every 5 days again and see if that kick starts anything again. Do you suggest having the cheat meal PWO once a week or so? maybe go out to lunch with the guys after our Saturday session (usually the one i squat the hardest during) and stuff our faces with pizza or something???

or do you think that having just protein PWO (with glutamine/glycine) and having a low GI carb for PWO meal each day would be better?

I think the detox cost me 90 bucks.

thanks so much for your response, im getting fairly desperate as im sure you can tell.
[/quote]

I think the cheat meal once every 5-7 days is perfect… Going low carb for too long has a number of issues, especially on mood and being able to properly oxidize BCAAs, so I’d definitely suggest doing that.

And I’m not sure if you’ve tried going Paleo as for diet. But that’s what I subscribe to, along with keeping things low carb. One of the things I’ve learn is what I’d call “better cheating”… For example, when I cheat I wouldn’t have a pizza or chocolate milk or something to that effect (both totally NON-PALEO). But instead my cheat meal would include better choices: sweet potatoes, chocolate covered almonds, sushi, etc… You see what I mean? That way I carb up but I don’t totally f**k over my body with tons of gluten.

And the rules for a cheat meal should be:
Cheat meal must include protein - and this should be eat FIRST
You should wake up leaner the next day - if not, next cheat meal decrease the amount of carbs by 20%

Also, how is your umbilicus aka cortisol readings? Just judging by how long and how often you workout I’d think this would be a huge issue for you…

And keep plugging away, eventually you will find the right combo and things will click![/quote]

my cortisol isnt TERRIBLE compared to my other issues, its at 19 where as my subra iliac is 24 and my tri are REALLY high at 13ish and my hams are 26ish. my lowest in knee at 4.2 subscap also isnt too bad at 12

[quote]tork94 wrote:
my cortisol isnt TERRIBLE compared to my other issues, its at 19 where as my subra iliac is 24 and my tri are REALLY high at 13ish and my hams are 26ish. my lowest in knee at 4.2 subscap also isnt too bad at 12

[/quote]

Ok. Well what I’m going to say next, you might not like to hear but I mean in the most respectful way. Basically it sounds to me like you’re just fat overall (because your other readings are quite high too).

One thing with powerlifts & oly lifters is that they don’t vary their training enough. And perhaps it’d be best for you to do 4-6 weeks of a german body comp program, to shed some serious bodyfat, improve your conditioning and work capacity (and if you happen to be fast-twitch dominant, you’ll very likely see your lifts go up too)

If you private message me your email, I’d be happy for to email it to you. It is not for the weak of heart… I’ve personally puked after a few of the workouts because it created so much lactic acid. And I’ve seen it transform people’s body composition rapidly: 1-2% bodyfat lost per week.

Like I said, it may not be what you want to hear… But you need to decide what’s better for you at this moment: shedding the fat or continuing to improve your lifts

[quote]hungryone wrote:

[quote]tork94 wrote:
my cortisol isnt TERRIBLE compared to my other issues, its at 19 where as my subra iliac is 24 and my tri are REALLY high at 13ish and my hams are 26ish. my lowest in knee at 4.2 subscap also isnt too bad at 12

[/quote]

Ok. Well what I’m going to say next, you might not like to hear but I mean in the most respectful way. Basically it sounds to me like you’re just fat overall (because your other readings are quite high too).

One thing with powerlifts & oly lifters is that they don’t vary their training enough. And perhaps it’d be best for you to do 4-6 weeks of a german body comp program, to shed some serious bodyfat, improve your conditioning and work capacity (and if you happen to be fast-twitch dominant, you’ll very likely see your lifts go up too)

If you private message me your email, I’d be happy for to email it to you. It is not for the weak of heart… I’ve personally puked after a few of the workouts because it created so much lactic acid. And I’ve seen it transform people’s body composition rapidly: 1-2% bodyfat lost per week.

Like I said, it may not be what you want to hear… But you need to decide what’s better for you at this moment: shedding the fat or continuing to improve your lifts[/quote]

well ya, im about 17% bodyfat according to the biosignature, so def not lean, lately i have been doing higher volume squats (for weightlifters), sets of 6-10 about twice per week, have almost puked a few times now, my lifts are getting better so far. and like you mentioned earlier, i am trying to quicken my pace of training and improve my work capacity.

unless anyone else has other suggestions, i think im gonna take out the carb powders post workout and only have a big carb meal once-twice per week depending on the volume of training, mostly paleo.

and keep trying to quicken my training sessions and do a bit more hypertrophy work.

sound good to you guys?

Tork,

If your rest periods are that of 4-5 minutes per set, it would make sense why your conditioning is not up to par. I know it takes longer for nervous system recovery, but from my understanding, it’s not ideal it’s not good for body comp improvements and overall conditioning.

Hungry - I combine green tea, a lemon wedge, and teaspoon of cinnamon as my own “insulin sensitivity” drink. Can’t say it tastes wondeful, but we are all a little crazy in our own ways when doing this shit.

All this sounds interesting. I have been seeing my own pract and now have decided to start learning directly under him. Within 2 sessions (about 1 1/2 months) he was able to get me down to 8.2% bf. He has phases brokendown differently and a whole lot of information. Highlights are:
Pec: 3.2 to 2.4
Tri: 7.2 to 2.8
Supra: 11.7 to 8.4
knee: my fucking knee got down to 4.9 from 5.9. Lean knees are the shit!!! :wink:
Quad: 14.6 to 3.4
Ham: 22.4 to 8.8

Weight has gone from 184 to 187.2
BF%: 12.8 to 8.2
Lean mass: 160.4 to 171.8

Just wanted to throw out an update.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Tork,

If your rest periods are that of 4-5 minutes per set, it would make sense why your conditioning is not up to par. I know it takes longer for nervous system recovery, but from my understanding, it’s not ideal it’s not good for body comp improvements and overall conditioning.

Hungry - I combine green tea, a lemon wedge, and teaspoon of cinnamon as my own “insulin sensitivity” drink. Can’t say it tastes wondeful, but we are all a little crazy in our own ways when doing this shit. [/quote]

like i said, i will continue to try and pick up the pace of my training, i have gone from 2.5 hours for most sessions down to 2 and hopefully, i can reduce that to 1.5 or so as my conditioning improves, but i am putting effort in to taking less rest between sets.

[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
All this sounds interesting. I have been seeing my own pract and now have decided to start learning directly under him. Within 2 sessions (about 1 1/2 months) he was able to get me down to 8.2% bf. He has phases brokendown differently and a whole lot of information. Highlights are:
Pec: 3.2 to 2.4
Tri: 7.2 to 2.8
Supra: 11.7 to 8.4
knee: my fucking knee got down to 4.9 from 5.9. Lean knees are the shit!!! :wink:
Quad: 14.6 to 3.4
Ham: 22.4 to 8.8

Weight has gone from 184 to 187.2
BF%: 12.8 to 8.2
Lean mass: 160.4 to 171.8

Just wanted to throw out an update. [/quote]

my knee is leaner then your knee, so there!!! jk of course since your WAY leaner then me everywhere else. how the heck did you get your hams, quads and triceps that low that quick, those are my biggest areas of concern, pecs us there to, but its as low as its been in a long time.

please do share!!