Damn you knees tork!!! Damn them!
So attacking the hormone sites in a nutshell:
Dude its been a fucking battle. I first implemented and then wrote 2 articles for robbwolf.com
I tried attacking the evironmental issue in everyway possible. New drinking bottle, new health care products, limiting or completely removing exposure to “bad chems.”
Then my results were so, so. I decided to knuckle down and throw a full blown to the T estrogen cleanse. I reviewed all notes, talked to some coaches and then started it. It ran really smoothly and I could feel and see some really good changes. Quads and tri’s popped first. Hammy was difficult but I could feel it moving more than I could see it. I realized it would be difficult, not impossible but difficult to pinch myself so I looked for a pract.
While at my cert I asked Clark Flynn (poliquins long time childhood friend) who he recommended in Socal and he said : Brad Davidson over at Stark Training (starktraining.com).
This cat has his shit together = ultimate understatement. The guy has been using Poliquin nutrition, supplement and training knowledge along with a combination of many, many other types of professional information. I got my mind blown out with information. The way he breaks everything down is amazing. Super super easy. The dude has a fantastic list of clients with amazing results.
By this time I had actually been wanting to do a cleanse. Brad reviewed me and said it was something I could do and then built one for me. Cleanse ran for 7 days. I blogged about it over at happyhealthysexystrong.com
I have since been off the cleanse for about 5 days now and feel fantastic. I love my results. I need to update the blog so I will post about them there. But literally woke up yesterday and when I put on my glasses it was like that scene in the 1st spiderman. All I could think was “are those my abs?!?” I have never seen my body this way. My legs have been beyond sore from a wod the other day so I havent been able to see them really until yesterday. I havent had this type of definition in my legs ever.
Brad also has improvements, especially with hormones, broken down into certain phases. SO right now I will be moving to a different phase. Phase 1 was basically like a totally reset/detox. Phase 2 will be a detox/rebalance. I have started mentoring under him because his knowledge, and he really, is fantastic.
I hope this details it somewhat. If you guys want to know what I was on, I will fill in the blanks. Just woke up so I apologize if this makes only so much sense.
Take care
thanks for the help guys, exactly what i was looking for.
so basicly my plan is something like this…
breakfast, meat and nuts (berries if avalable)
snack, more meat (sardines, left overs etc…) veggies (spinich, brocholi etc…)
lunch, large portion of meat and some veggies
pre-training, small amount of red meat or fish, some nuts or cheese.
training, BCAAs, caffine, ALCAR
post training, magnessium, l-carnatine, whey, glycine, glutamine, creatine.
dinner(1-1.5 hours after training) lots of meat, veggies, and every few days (Really high volume training) some yam or quinoa etc…
Other supplements are ortho-glucose 2 from AOR (1 cap before breakfast, lunch and dinner), estro-detox from AOR (2 caps with breakfast)and l-carnatine 3-5g/day, zinc and 30g of fiber from either flax seed, chea seed
Plan looks good tork94… Just keep the ALCAR to the morning, I’ve found I have trouble falling asleep if I take it too late in the day
[quote]hungryone wrote:
Plan looks good tork94… Just keep the ALCAR to the morning, I’ve found I have trouble falling asleep if I take it too late in the day[/quote]
what about the regular l-carnitine? should i also cut that off at 5pm or so?
Read through all of this today- very interesting. Probably going to try to pick up some polq. sups like HCL and CDG, unless someone recommends something substantially cheaper but of the same value. I already picked up some Z,Ma, and green tea. I’m also considering Rez-V off the site here, again, unless someone can point me to something better.
Regarding the previous pages discussion on popular protein supps- what is the verdict on Metabolic Drive? I’d hate to go from bad to worse by switching from ON to MD since MD wasn’t even listed in that study and ON was at least the ‘least dangerous of the top 10’.
[quote]tork94 wrote:
[quote]hungryone wrote:
Plan looks good tork94… Just keep the ALCAR to the morning, I’ve found I have trouble falling asleep if I take it too late in the day[/quote]
what about the regular l-carnitine? should i also cut that off at 5pm or so?
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Yes definitely keep it before 5 pm! I’d even say keep it before lunch…
Something like this I find works best:
Wake Up
Empty Stomach - Water + ALCAR
Breakfast
Stomach somewhat empty - Water + ALCAR or L-Carnitine
Meal no. 2 or Lunch
[quote]Toby Queef wrote:
Read through all of this today- very interesting. Probably going to try to pick up some polq. sups like HCL and CDG, unless someone recommends something substantially cheaper but of the same value. I already picked up some Z,Ma, and green tea. I’m also considering Rez-V off the site here, again, unless someone can point me to something better.
Regarding the previous pages discussion on popular protein supps- what is the verdict on Metabolic Drive? I’d hate to go from bad to worse by switching from ON to MD since MD wasn’t even listed in that study and ON was at least the ‘least dangerous of the top 10’. [/quote]
i just switched today, but im going to try the NOW whey protein isolate in the natural unflavored. ONLY whey isolate and >1% soy soy lecithin. by far the cheepest i have found pure isolate. and i figure without lots of flavoring etc their would just be less junk entering my body.
i Posted this in another thread, but thought this would be a good one as well.
Does anyone put greens poweder in their PWO shake? I believe poliquin recommends this as it can help lower the acidity in the body from a hard training session as well as lower cortisol PWO
I have been told by an old world class Oly lifter, that eating lebanese cucumbers was a great way to drop acidity due to the high level of alkalinity in them. Use them when gaining, maintaining or cutting he said to eat as many as desired.
Seems to fit in with what you’re saying/doing?
[quote]sexyxe wrote:
I have been told by an old world class Oly lifter, that eating lebanese cucumbers was a great way to drop acidity due to the high level of alkalinity in them. Use them when gaining, maintaining or cutting he said to eat as many as desired.
Seems to fit in with what you’re saying/doing? [/quote]
very interesting, thanks. What country is he from out of curiosity.
He is an Aussie through place of birth, however, you’ve stumped me with where he was ‘from’.
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[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
Nice! Thats really good feed back and sounds like you have things pretty well under control. As far as sites maybe look into running a Zinc protocol? You are either converting or producing to much E. Sucks I know. I dont want to stop over stepping your pract. How do you feel your quads, pec and tri look? Defined? Reason I ask is because this pinching business is almost the most tricky part of the whole damn process. I can pinch you 3 times in a row and get WAY different numbers if Im not paying attention. [/quote]
i believe we have been playing with the idea of doing the zinc tally loading protocol for a while now (5 bottles in 5 days etc…).
i think my tris look ok, but im actually a little self conscious with my pecs, usually try and wear black shirts etc… [/quote]
2 calcium d glucarate with 2 DIM caps 3x/day worked WONDERS for my pecs and quad/hamstrings. energy and libido also skyrocketed
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[quote]hungryone wrote:
tork94, I’m not sure why you’re having carbs with your PWO shake and then all those other carbs with your PWO meal… From my understanding, a high supra-iliac reading is due to environmental carb intake. I.e. you’re ingesting far too many carbs than your body can handle.
I’ve had great results with going carbs only from vegetables and then a cheat meal with carbs once every 5 days (because you do need some carbs). Have you considered this approach before?
Also, please let us know how the Heel detox kit goes… Sounds interesting. How much did that kit cost btw?[/quote]
i have done that before and made some good gains, however those gains stopped for a while to and i switched to more modest carbs pretty much every day, but maybe its time to try the cheat meal every 5 days again and see if that kick starts anything again. Do you suggest having the cheat meal PWO once a week or so? maybe go out to lunch with the guys after our Saturday session (usually the one i squat the hardest during) and stuff our faces with pizza or something???
or do you think that having just protein PWO (with glutamine/glycine) and having a low GI carb for PWO meal each day would be better?
I think the detox cost me 90 bucks.
thanks so much for your response, im getting fairly desperate as im sure you can tell.
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according to coach poliquin, if youre above 10% bodyfat (you dont have a visible 6 pack basically) your daily carb intake should be 3 licks of a dried prune. an ideal PWO shake to help someone lean out would be 40g whey with roughly 20-60g glutamine. cheat meal frequency is usually once every 5-7 days. eat whatever you want, but its a MEAL, not the whole day 
[quote]methias223 wrote:
[quote]tork94 wrote:
[quote]hungryone wrote:
tork94, I’m not sure why you’re having carbs with your PWO shake and then all those other carbs with your PWO meal… From my understanding, a high supra-iliac reading is due to environmental carb intake. I.e. you’re ingesting far too many carbs than your body can handle.
I’ve had great results with going carbs only from vegetables and then a cheat meal with carbs once every 5 days (because you do need some carbs). Have you considered this approach before?
Also, please let us know how the Heel detox kit goes… Sounds interesting. How much did that kit cost btw?[/quote]
i have done that before and made some good gains, however those gains stopped for a while to and i switched to more modest carbs pretty much every day, but maybe its time to try the cheat meal every 5 days again and see if that kick starts anything again. Do you suggest having the cheat meal PWO once a week or so? maybe go out to lunch with the guys after our Saturday session (usually the one i squat the hardest during) and stuff our faces with pizza or something???
or do you think that having just protein PWO (with glutamine/glycine) and having a low GI carb for PWO meal each day would be better?
I think the detox cost me 90 bucks.
thanks so much for your response, im getting fairly desperate as im sure you can tell.
[/quote]
according to coach poliquin, if youre above 10% bodyfat (you dont have a visible 6 pack basically) your daily carb intake should be 3 licks of a dried prune. an ideal PWO shake to help someone lean out would be 40g whey with roughly 20-60g glutamine. cheat meal frequency is usually once every 5-7 days. eat whatever you want, but its a MEAL, not the whole day ;)[/quote]
i have done the estro detox that you listed above, i did get some good results with the hams, but the quads, pecs and tris barely budged at all, also once i stopped the protocol about half the fat i had lost from my hams came back with in a few weeks.
as for my PWO shake, im at 50g whey, 20g glutamine, 10g glycine, 5 grams creatine, and just recently added 15g of greens powder.
quick up date,
I have added in the l-carnitine at 5g/day and have dropped all carbs again except for every 5 days of so i have a cheat meal or mostly yams, rice etc…
I have also keep my workouts MUCH faster pace, finishing them about 35% faster then before, keeping a sweat throughout. not only should this help not create as much cortosol, but i also get home about 1 hour earlier which means by the end of the night i can go to bed about 1 hour earlier and get more sleep then ever before.
I feel really good, mentally and physically and feel like im leaning out a bit again despite the fact that i have gained a little over a pound in bodyweight. hopefully this keeps up.
Thanks for everyones advice, ill update again next week most likely
[quote]tork94 wrote:
quick up date,
I have added in the l-carnitine at 5g/day and have dropped all carbs again except for every 5 days of so i have a cheat meal or mostly yams, rice etc…
I have also keep my workouts MUCH faster pace, finishing them about 35% faster then before, keeping a sweat throughout. not only should this help not create as much cortosol, but i also get home about 1 hour earlier which means by the end of the night i can go to bed about 1 hour earlier and get more sleep then ever before.
I feel really good, mentally and physically and feel like im leaning out a bit again despite the fact that i have gained a little over a pound in bodyweight. hopefully this keeps up.
Thanks for everyones advice, ill update again next week most likely [/quote]
Great to hear! Please keep us updated further along! And don’t worry too much about your bodyweight… Some of my best results came when my bodyweight stayed exactly the same or increased a little bit. I was putting on muscle and burning fat at the same time
hey guys, im making some good progress i think and strength is good!
unfortunately i have come down with a stomach flu and cant keep down solid food, even with properly chewed and with HCL.
i trained today before it really hit me and i wasnt hungary after my PWO shake for almost 3 hours. usually its 1 hour. and i had my PWO meal, and kept it down for almost 3 hours before throwing up what seems like most of it.
obviously im not really digesting anything well at the moment, do you guys think a shake of Whey, casien and glutamine/creatine with a greens powder is a smart idea? i squatted heavy today i want to keep my protein up.
to all the biosignature practitioners on this thread (any everyone in general).
what do you think of fasting for a day each week. or even fasting during my off day except for dinner when i would have my weekly cheat meal?
if i drank LOTs of water and teas, would that help to detox? and posibly increase insulin sensitivity for the cheat meal and just in general. Also give the body 24 hours to rest the gut/digestive system.
thanks!
also would you recommend still tking a multi-vitamin/zinc/magnessium etc during the day.
[quote]tork94 wrote:
to all the biosignature practitioners on this thread (any everyone in general).
what do you think of fasting for a day each week. or even fasting during my off day except for dinner when i would have my weekly cheat meal?
if i drank LOTs of water and teas, would that help to detox? and posibly increase insulin sensitivity for the cheat meal and just in general. Also give the body 24 hours to rest the gut/digestive system.
thanks!
also would you recommend still tking a multi-vitamin/zinc/magnessium etc during the day.[/quote]
i know Poliquin recommends a once a month 24-48hr ‘cleanse’ and once a year 7 day cleanse. you basically subside rice protein powder, fiber, and aminos(bcaa, eaa, glutamine, etc) during the cleanse. multi’s and other vitamins/botanicals are taken as well during that time. theres a detox section in the poliquin online store as well, any of those products will help with the process. heres a rundown on how to do the cleanse:
I ordered my Poliquin supps a few days ago. Should be here on Wed. I went with the metallic detox, calcium d-glucarate, and Digest force. Looking forward to this.
Anything I should know before running these?