hey guys, im having an issue that I hope someone can help me with. over the last several nights i have been waking up 3 or 4 times per-night to take a #2. I dont feel like im sick or anything, but its obviously very disruptive to my sleep.
I usually finish eating my last meal about 2 hours before bed and is usually meat, veggies, oils, and sweetpotato/quinoa etc… (if a training day) i then usually take 15-20g of ground flax seed, psylium or chea-seed. Am i taking to much fiber in my last meal? Would it make sense to move more of my fiber earlier in the day and taper it off as the day goes on?
I cant remember when I slept through the night last, but as of about a week ago, i was usually only waking up once and was usually able to get back to a deep sleep.
do you guys think its a possibility that my disruptive/shallow sleep might be from being on DIM+cal-D for to long? To much zinc etc…?
during these nights it also seems like i cant really stay still. Im just constantly changing positions.
I have to go through notes but I believe the tossing and turning is low mag, like real low. Are you taking any mag supps?
Are you getting an upset stomach before bed? Or nausea?
You may try dialing the fiber back at night. Dial it all the way back to 5g. See how you tolerate that PM dose. Repost results and let us know what happens after that.
[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
Hey dude! I just got back from taking the BioSig
Let me ask you some more questions:
Have you noticed it on nights without the quinoa?
I have to go through notes but I believe the tossing and turning is low mag, like real low. Are you taking any mag supps?
Are you getting an upset stomach before bed? Or nausea?
You may try dialing the fiber back at night. Dial it all the way back to 5g. See how you tolerate that PM dose. Repost results and let us know what happens after that. [/quote]
i am taking mag, i ran out of ubermag, but im getting more tomorrow, however i bought some magnesium bis-glycinate and magnesium citrate, one cap of each 3 times/day
yes, i havent had quinoa for 2 nights and those nights were the worst. I actually vomited my lunch today so im sick.
Ill try taking fiber back a little.
In other news, i talked to my weightlifting coach and asked him if he had an opinion on why i get sick so often, and he said it was likely because i literally never have a day off from work, school, training or all 3.
so we decided that starting next week I will train twice on Monday, from 10-11:30 then school from 12-4 then train again from 5-7. This will raise stress a bit on Mondays, but I will then take Tuesday off from training, and because i only have class on tuesday from 9-10 that would give me virtually all of tuesday off from stress.
Thats a good option. We learned that cortisol/stress can lower immune system function and different ways to combat that. Theres a lot going on with these biosig’s.
Mag is a good option. Im debating if dosing throughout the day vs just a good dose at night. Which is the better option. I know you are trying to combat insulin as well (if I remember correctly).
Drop the quinoa. It may be causing some kind of reaction. See how it goes for the rest of the week. Maybe consider reintroducing on the weekend and seeing if you have the mid-night-shits.
You need more off days or shorter training days. Coach went over this concerning how he trains athletes. You need to dial back. You should be stronger for it. If your E sites are going up this would explain everything. You are over trained.
You said that you take whole flax seed. I read on Poliquins site that it helps remove bad estrogen from the body, but on other sites it said flax is estrogenic. Is that the oil that promotes estrogen gain? I’m looking into removing some of the bad estrogen from my body and was thinking about picking up some flax seed and just using a coffee grinder and adding some to shakes etc
talked to my coach today, i will be droping my thursday training session. so instead of 6 training sessions of 2 hours each, i will be doing 5. Just those 5 will be slightly more intense.
Hopefully this helps me jump start my results in lifting and in bodyfat, and keep me healthier.
Hey Tork - I got access to the coaches community on Poliquins website and I was reading a forum post that sounded really similar to your whole situation. Poliquin responded that the poster was over stressed-over trained and over worked. Because of those factors sites should go a negative way, training will stall and gains will not come. Just thought I would send this info your way so maybe you can find other ways to dial back rather than just cutting one session out.
Im having this problem with some of the navy kids I train. They are sneaking in other sessions and runs and a bunch of other bullshit and though they are surviving their bodies are suffering negative effects.
Hey Tork,
It’s been great reading about your journey.
I work/train at a gym in Saskatoon run by a BioSig practioner and have been taking Mag/Zinc/HCL for some time to help with my numbers. So far, so good.
About your bowels: The Magnesium supplements can totally be affecting this. Too much in your guts at one time and it will act as a laxative. The most I can take in a day before things start to get a little too loose for comfort is 2 UberMags (I usually do morning and evening). If I take 2 before bed, my morning workout is usually prematurely and urgently interrupted.
Some people have to look to other types of Magnesium sources to get an appropriate dose without affecting their bowels. Kelp and other sea vegetables are good sources. Epsom salt baths are commonly thought to help, but I’ve read that the absorption and retention rate from this method is pretty inefficient when compared to other supplementation. There are other topical “magnesium oils” which are supposed to allow for pretty good uptake, but I have no experience with them.
Anyway, I’d suggest you play with you Mag dose and see if you can’t get some better sleep.
Also, here is a really good article on Magnesium that details a lot of this:
[quote]BathMatt wrote:
Hey Tork,
It’s been great reading about your journey.
I work/train at a gym in Saskatoon run by a BioSig practioner and have been taking Mag/Zinc/HCL for some time to help with my numbers. So far, so good.
About your bowels: The Magnesium supplements can totally be affecting this. Too much in your guts at one time and it will act as a laxative. The most I can take in a day before things start to get a little too loose for comfort is 2 UberMags (I usually do morning and evening). If I take 2 before bed, my morning workout is usually prematurely and urgently interrupted.
Some people have to look to other types of Magnesium sources to get an appropriate dose without affecting their bowels. Kelp and other sea vegetables are good sources. Epsom salt baths are commonly thought to help, but I’ve read that the absorption and retention rate from this method is pretty inefficient when compared to other supplementation. There are other topical “magnesium oils” which are supposed to allow for pretty good uptake, but I have no experience with them.
Anyway, I’d suggest you play with you Mag dose and see if you can’t get some better sleep.
right now i take 1 magnesium bis-glycerate 3 times/day, 2 polymags PWO, 2 polymags with dinner, the topical mag and some left over magnesium citrate before bed.
[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
Hey Tork - I got access to the coaches community on Poliquins website and I was reading a forum post that sounded really similar to your whole situation. Poliquin responded that the poster was over stressed-over trained and over worked. Because of those factors sites should go a negative way, training will stall and gains will not come. Just thought I would send this info your way so maybe you can find other ways to dial back rather than just cutting one session out.
Im having this problem with some of the navy kids I train. They are sneaking in other sessions and runs and a bunch of other bullshit and though they are surviving their bodies are suffering negative effects. [/quote]
thanks for your advice, i really dont want to cut out any extra sessions though, 5 is usually the minimum for any serious athlete who wants to be as good as possible. Im really looking forward to having that day off though. Ill be able to have more of a social life, more sleep, less physical stress, save money from having to use less peri-workout nutrition etc…
as far as EGCg goes, whats a good dose to fight amortization? Same with Vitamin C besides helping immunity, what kind of dose is necessary for preventing amortization?
[quote]tork94 wrote:
right now i take 1 magnesium bis-glycerate 3 times/day, 2 polymags PWO, 2 polymags with dinner, the topical mag and some left over magnesium citrate before bed.
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So…
what I’m saying is that your does of Magnesium may be too high, and that could be causing your loose bowels.
[quote]tork94 wrote:
right now i take 1 magnesium bis-glycerate 3 times/day, 2 polymags PWO, 2 polymags with dinner, the topical mag and some left over magnesium citrate before bed.
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So…
what I’m saying is that your does of Magnesium may be too high, and that could be causing your loose bowels.
Not sure if that made it through in my last post.[/quote]
Thanks, i sort of though that you were saying the to much magnesium from one source would cause loose stool.
ill pull back a little on the Mag and see how that works of me.
[quote]tork94 wrote:
Thanks, i sort of though that you were saying the to much magnesium from one source would cause loose stool.
ill pull back a little on the Mag and see how that works of me.
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Cool,
I think any refined magnesium taken orally would be considered “the same source” in this case. It works as a saline laxative attracting water into the bowel causing Osmotic Diarhea. So as far as your gut is concerned, all the pills likely act in the same way.
A couple of my buddies train twice a day, 6 days a week and at least one of them eventually hit a wall. His body composition was not changing (he, however, was trying to gain lean mass not lose body fat) and his lifts had stalled. I convinced him to take a week off from training and just focus on solid nutrition (well, I actually recommended he adopt the see-food diet—again different goals!), and relaxation and he came back the following week bigger & stronger.
Even elite athletes (weightlifters included) can benefit from week off from training every 12-16 weeks. And I’m pretty confident that came right from the man who designed BioSig (Charles Poliquin). Listen to your body—if you feel over-trained and progress has stalled, take a damn break!
On a side note, this is a fantastic thread and it has been a pleasure following your progress Tork!
[quote]tork94 wrote:
hey guys, im having an issue that I hope someone can help me with. over the last several nights i have been waking up 3 or 4 times per-night to take a #2. I dont feel like im sick or anything, but its obviously very disruptive to my sleep.
I usually finish eating my last meal about 2 hours before bed and is usually meat, veggies, oils, and sweetpotato/quinoa etc… (if a training day) i then usually take 15-20g of ground flax seed, psylium or chea-seed. Am i taking to much fiber in my last meal? Would it make sense to move more of my fiber earlier in the day and taper it off as the day goes on?
I cant remember when I slept through the night last, but as of about a week ago, i was usually only waking up once and was usually able to get back to a deep sleep.
do you guys think its a possibility that my disruptive/shallow sleep might be from being on DIM+cal-D for to long? To much zinc etc…?
during these nights it also seems like i cant really stay still. Im just constantly changing positions.
Thanks for any help [/quote]
don’t know if you still have this issue but it is most likely, your being irritated by one of the supplements you are taking (by taking too much at once), or you have a mild allergy to one of them. I had a similar problem, when would take 3 scoops of Anaconda i would get this, but not when i only took 2 scoops. doesn’t seem like much of a difference, but for me it was the difference between going to the bathroom on normally, or going every 20 minutes to pee out of my ass. haha. sorry for the visual. I would start by reducing everything your taking, if that works, add them back 1 at a time, to see what is causing the reaction. if it doesn’t work, stop talking all of them until it goes away, then add them back 1 at a time in smaller doses, when you get the same reaction again, at least you’ll know which supplement is causing it.
