[quote]tork94 wrote:
im starting to wonder why I still cant taste the zinc of the zinc tally test despite taking 6 zincs/day for almost 2 months and 3 zincs/day for a long time before that[/quote]How accurate is this ‘zinc tally test’ ?
Alex: crazy. maybe it was me. Serious twitching for up to 48 hours post a serious dose of zinc and large protein consumption. Only happened 2x. I was taking probably 4 tabs 3x a day at 50mg per tab. With no copper, twitching, with copper, no twitching. My conclusion just followed.
[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
Alex: crazy. maybe it was me. Serious twitching for up to 48 hours post a serious dose of zinc and large protein consumption. Only happened 2x. I was taking probably 4 tabs 3x a day at 50mg per tab. With no copper, twitching, with copper, no twitching. My conclusion just followed.[/quote]
I won’t say it couldn’t happen. 
It certainly doesn’t hurt to get some copper as well, especially at 600mg a day.
thanks Alex,
What about calcium, their is a fair amount of it in my multi vitamin (multigenics), should I possibly take the zinc and the multi at different times?
[quote]tork94 wrote:
What about calcium, their is a fair amount of it in my multi vitamin (multigenics), should I possibly take the zinc and the multi at different times?[/quote]
If you’re really concerned about it, it won’t hurt. I have taken zinc with Multi Intense (500mg of calcium), but that’s only 125 mg of calcium at one time (2 pills). Large dosages of calcium carbonate at the same time may prevent optimal absorption, but i don’t worry about it too much.
The main concerns with Zinc supplementation are copper & Iron.
If you eat nuts, meat and vegetables, and take a good multi, you have copper covered. The only time iron is a concern is if the person is already anemic.
hey guys,
sence this is the first of 3 weeks that I have off from school and for the most part work, I figured it would be interesting to take my skin folds right now, and then 3 weeks later right before I start school again because I will be sleeping a lot more then normal, have much less stress and be able to train harder.
So I had a skinfold done today and its pretty good. everythings down from the terrible last time except for triceps and sub-scap and they are only up slightly. So im pretty happy.
Hopefully in 3 weeks after my break from school/work it will be much improved!
Since you’re spending a fair bit on supplements as is, have you considered ditching the skinfold testing for a proper hydrostatic test?
If you’re using a product that “hyper-hydrates” then you’ll likely discontinue use immediately prior to a meet anyway to drop that last bit of weight. Thus, your fold measurements end up being useless for what you truly care about: coming into the meet with the highest possible LBM. Hydrostatic avoids this problem entirely.
[quote]Cr Powerlinate wrote:
Since you’re spending a fair bit on supplements as is, have you considered ditching the skinfold testing for a proper hydrostatic test?
If you’re using a product that “hyper-hydrates” then you’ll likely discontinue use immediately prior to a meet anyway to drop that last bit of weight. Thus, your fold measurements end up being useless for what you truly care about: coming into the meet with the highest possible LBM. Hydrostatic avoids this problem entirely.[/quote]
Thats true, although the point of the bio-signature is to use the separate folds to try and determine specific hormonal imbalances. Just knowing bodyfat % wouldnt really help with this.
has anyone ever tried any other brands of DIM and/or calcium D-glucarate?
a few other companies have good looking products for much cheeper then Poliquin.
hey guys, i havent posted for a while because i have been disapointed with progress.
Not only has my skinfolds not improved much, but my preformance in the gym has suffered big time. Even though lean mass is not decreasing, but strength and power have fallen quite significantly.
my power snatch for example has droped from 102.5 for a triple to only 100 for a single over the last 3 months. obviously not good… my preformance drop started around the time that i began struggleing to keep my overall bodyweight up.
I have talked to my prac about this and we will meet on monday, i think we will look at adding in some extra carbs such as brown rice, quinoa, yams, sweetpotato in my first solid meal after my workouts.
Ill up-date on monday. This strength/power decrease is not acceptable.
hey man, don’t get beat up. just keep it simple. Protein+fat+berries at breakfast, some carbs during your workout (like SWF), and some carbs in your first workout meal (rice)… done and done.
[quote]tork94 wrote:
hey guys, i havent posted for a while because i have been disapointed with progress.
Not only has my skinfolds not improved much, but my preformance in the gym has suffered big time. Even though lean mass is not decreasing, but strength and power have fallen quite significantly.
my power snatch for example has droped from 102.5 for a triple to only 100 for a single over the last 3 months. obviously not good… my preformance drop started around the time that i began struggleing to keep my overall bodyweight up.
I have talked to my prac about this and we will meet on monday, i think we will look at adding in some extra carbs such as brown rice, quinoa, yams, sweetpotato in my first solid meal after my workouts.
Ill up-date on monday. This strength/power decrease is not acceptable.[/quote]
Friend of mine went through a similar phase. More rest and more carbs (smart carbs, postworkout only) seemed to help.
[quote]1llusion wrote:
[quote]tork94 wrote:
hey guys, i havent posted for a while because i have been disapointed with progress.
Not only has my skinfolds not improved much, but my preformance in the gym has suffered big time. Even though lean mass is not decreasing, but strength and power have fallen quite significantly.
my power snatch for example has droped from 102.5 for a triple to only 100 for a single over the last 3 months. obviously not good… my preformance drop started around the time that i began struggleing to keep my overall bodyweight up.
I have talked to my prac about this and we will meet on monday, i think we will look at adding in some extra carbs such as brown rice, quinoa, yams, sweetpotato in my first solid meal after my workouts.
Ill up-date on monday. This strength/power decrease is not acceptable.[/quote]
Friend of mine went through a similar phase. More rest and more carbs (smart carbs, postworkout only) seemed to help.[/quote]
thanks, so having some yam, or brown rice, or quinoa with the first solid meal after the workout is what you mean, how maybe grams is usually advised?
Just go with 1 yam or 1 cup of rice, something like that…
hey tork, sorry to hear about all this. Maybe post like 2 days of what your diet looks like + supps and we can possibly help out. Im not a pract yet but still know oodles. Whats your sleep like? Stress?
[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
hey tork, sorry to hear about all this. Maybe post like 2 days of what your diet looks like + supps and we can possibly help out. Im not a pract yet but still know oodles. Whats your sleep like? Stress? [/quote]
a common day would look something like this…
Breakfast: 6 eggs+cheese+bacon with tbs of coconut oil and or olive oil OR 10oz steak with handful of nuts.
Snack: 2 cans of sardines, lots of spinach, 1-2tbs of oil (olive, coconut)
Lunch: chicken (breast,wing), nuts, brocholi, 2tbs oil
Snack: 2 hamburger patties, coconut oil, kale
WORKOUT: 40g BCAA
PWO: 50g whey, 20g glutamine, 10g glycine, 5g creatine. 2 uber mags
Dinner: salmon, brocholi, oils
With my Breakfast, lunch and dinner, i have HCL, Zinc, DIM+Cal-D and 5-10g of fish oil. Im also taking a multi, probiotics, 250mg resveratrol, and 8000IU vit D3/day I also have 2 uber mags with dinner and have recently added topical mag cream 45 min before bed(actually cheeper then capsules).
I dont usually have a ton of stress in my life, although my car might be F#%ked which blows. Also I literally never have a day off, Im always eather training, working, going to school and usually all 3/day. I havent had school for a while although i go back on tuesday.
Sleep has been better, i almost always wake up at 4am although im usually able to go right back to sleep. Usually go to bed between 11-12pm and get up between 7:30-8:30
I have been on the DIM and Cal-d at very high doses (6 each/day) and will be tapering it down to 4/day and later on to 2/day to prevent estrogen rebound.
should also add that i usually train 6-9/weentsek for hours. everything is big movements, (snatches, clean jerk, pulls squats etc… high volume.
Are you doing any exercise that targets fat loss directly? Like FMC?(I won’t get into the details of the best protocol of FMC).
OK…
seems like the diet maybe heavy fat, so youre getting a lot of overall cals and those maybe getting stored (I actually had a similar problem - and once I reduced fat intake I leaned out more.)
Your shake may need to get cut and replaced with solid food. You may also need to get cyclical with food.
No days off = stress. Cant get that twisted. You may not feel overwhlemed but your body may. When is the last time you took a complete off day(s) from training.
Im not 100% sure you can rebound from DIM and CDG if you evidence on that please link.
[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
OK…
seems like the diet maybe heavy fat, so youre getting a lot of overall cals and those maybe getting stored (I actually had a similar problem - and once I reduced fat intake I leaned out more.)
Your shake may need to get cut and replaced with solid food. You may also need to get cyclical with food.
No days off = stress. Cant get that twisted. You may not feel overwhelmed but your body may. When is the last time you took a complete off day(s) from training.
Im not 100% sure you can rebound from DIM and CDG if you evidence on that please link. [/quote]
I do not train on Sundays, but i do work 8 hours.
I got my hams down fairly significantly with DIM and Cal-D (didnt do much for quad or pec unfortunatly) and with-in 6 weeks of going off of it, almost all of the fat on the hams were back.
I met with my prac today and results were actually not bad, tris, pecs, chin and umbelical were down. Calf was up due to shitty sleep (was not surprised at this) and so were supra iliac and subscap (also likely due to loosing insulin sensitivity due to shitty sleep) so everything made sense.
I have been told to add 50g of carb-powder in my PWO shake and have around 50g of carbs from sweet potato, quinoa etc… in my post workout solid meal. Ill go back in 3 weeks to see if performance has increased and to see how the suprailiac and subscap react.
He said he has seen a few times where adding in these kinds of carbs and lowering fats slightly for a period of time can have a very fast positive impact of ones physique.
We shall see, worst case scenario it doesn’t work, but im pretty positive