What is the point of adding the blueberries?
I think it contains IC3(Indigo-3G).
i believe its just a way of starting to incorporate a slight amount of carbs, also they have lots of anti-oxidants and unlike most fruits, most of the carbs are glucose vs fructose…
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
I think it contains IC3(Indigo-3G).[/quote]
yeah I don’t think the amount of cyanidin-3-glucoside is substantial in blueberries. it’s just very low GI fruit with lots of antioxidants. a stepping stone for adding more carbs in eventually.
that all makes really good sense. I appreciate the answers. To me they are just a superfood in and of themselves. You cant really go wrong with that and they almost go with anything. They are like the bacon of fruit.
Haven’t been doing a great job at keeping up with this thread…
I’ve been reading through tork’s experiences and I have a few questions/comments to make regarding the slowing progress.
My biggest concern is that although you are making proper food choices (i.e. lean meats, healthy fats and veg) that you could still be over-consuming these foods. If fat loss or body recomposition is the ultimate goal then calories are still important! They are not the be all and the end all but it would be of no surprise to me that your sites refuse to go down because you are simply eating way too many calories. I do not think calories need to be stressed over (or for that matter even counted) when trying to achieve extraordinary results, but you cannot expect to get to single digit body fat eating 4000 kcals a day at your body weight regardless of the quality of food you are eating.
I had noticed you (Tork) had said that you began crushing all sorts of fats when you dropped 4 lbs after incorporating blueberries into your diet. It is very easy to rack up calories by consuming extra fat (e.g. 1 g of fat = 9 kcal).
My personal experiences have told me that pushing through fat loss plateaus doesn’t always require a new miracle supplement but merely a simple manipulation of calories. Not losing fat? Eat less! Not gaining lean mass? Eat more. Don’t let yourself get discouraged by what the scale says on a daily basis. More variables go into body weight than just muscle and fat alone. Use the Biosignature as a tool—By the time your next Biosignature comes around you will have an objective result that will help you determine your next step. No change? Eat less. Lost muscle mass? Eat more. Lost body fat? Good—keep it up.
I will say this: In my experience I feel as though I get away with over-consuming calories that come from protein and healthy fat when I am in a maintenance or building mode because there is a much friendlier hormonal response associated with the two compared to carbohydrates (read: chronic over secretion of insulin). But that does not mean that I can get away with it when consistent fat loss is the goal.
Just my two cents. Your experiences will vary vastly from my own. Have faith in the Biosignature but hold yourself accountable for the minor adjustments you feel are necessary—after all, you know your body better than anyone else.
Also Tork, I’m interested: how lean are you currently? What’s your subscap at?
[quote]t.bruce wrote:
Haven’t been doing a great job at keeping up with this thread…
I’ve been reading through tork’s experiences and I have a few questions/comments to make regarding the slowing progress.
My biggest concern is that although you are making proper food choices (i.e. lean meats, healthy fats and veg) that you could still be over-consuming these foods. If fat loss or body recomposition is the ultimate goal then calories are still important! They are not the be all and the end all but it would be of no surprise to me that your sites refuse to go down because you are simply eating way too many calories. I do not think calories need to be stressed over (or for that matter even counted) when trying to achieve extraordinary results, but you cannot expect to get to single digit body fat eating 4000 kcals a day at your body weight regardless of the quality of food you are eating.
I had noticed you (Tork) had said that you began crushing all sorts of fats when you dropped 4 lbs after incorporating blueberries into your diet. It is very easy to rack up calories by consuming extra fat (e.g. 1 g of fat = 9 kcal).
My personal experiences have told me that pushing through fat loss plateaus doesn’t always require a new miracle supplement but merely a simple manipulation of calories. Not losing fat? Eat less! Not gaining lean mass? Eat more. Don’t let yourself get discouraged by what the scale says on a daily basis. More variables go into body weight than just muscle and fat alone. Use the Biosignature as a tool—By the time your next Biosignature comes around you will have an objective result that will help you determine your next step. No change? Eat less. Lost muscle mass? Eat more. Lost body fat? Good—keep it up.
I will say this: In my experience I feel as though I get away with over-consuming calories that come from protein and healthy fat when I am in a maintenance or building mode because there is a much friendlier hormonal response associated with the two compared to carbohydrates (read: chronic over secretion of insulin). But that does not mean that I can get away with it when consistent fat loss is the goal.
Just my two cents. Your experiences will vary vastly from my own. Have faith in the Biosignature but hold yourself accountable for the minor adjustments you feel are necessary—after all, you know your body better than anyone else.
Also Tork, I’m interested: how lean are you currently? What’s your subscap at? [/quote]
This post is perfect. It summarizes what took me five years of experimenting to find out.
hey guys, i have a question for any of the biosig guys.
I have been on 45g/day of fish oil for around 4 months now. Can I begin to reduce the dose yet? Im pretty sure that eventually one can reduce down to 30 or even 15g/day.
Its just that 45g if fish oil is fairly pricey if im already “saturated” and can maintain with less.
Thanks in advance.
From a non biosig standpoint, I’ve read in some sciencey type journal that saturation of blood levels tends to be measured around 10g per day. Heck, the 35g difference between those two levels is over 300 calories a day. That’s a modest diet right there.
i did see my prac today to pic up more zinc and mag and asked him about the fish oil, im going to finish the bottle i have now (almost empty) at 45g/day and then start at 30g/day once i start my new bottle.
Its nice to know ill be saving 33% on my fish oil from now on 
Great thread!
@Tork
What proteins do you consume to get your daily fill and how do you vary them? I’m starting to get tired of eating more or less the same thing every day…
Also, did you have any trouble with taking Calcium D-Glucarate during the estro-detox (or has anyone else)? I started taking it but I get major acne breakouts. I don’t know whether this is because it’s working (outbreak caused by expulsion of toxins) and I should continue or if the dose is too high (body reacting badly to it).
[quote]tork94 wrote:
hey guys, i have a question for any of the biosig guys.
I have been on 45g/day of fish oil for around 4 months now. Can I begin to reduce the dose yet? Im pretty sure that eventually one can reduce down to 30 or even 15g/day.
Its just that 45g if fish oil is fairly pricey if im already “saturated” and can maintain with less.
Thanks in advance.[/quote]
I was told it was 1g per % of body fat so I’m not sure why your dosage is so high also if those are CP brand fish oil then that’s quite an expense.
[quote]t.bruce wrote:
Haven’t been doing a great job at keeping up with this thread…
I’ve been reading through tork’s experiences and I have a few questions/comments to make regarding the slowing progress.
My biggest concern is that although you are making proper food choices (i.e. lean meats, healthy fats and veg) that you could still be over-consuming these foods. If fat loss or body recomposition is the ultimate goal then calories are still important! They are not the be all and the end all but it would be of no surprise to me that your sites refuse to go down because you are simply eating way too many calories. I do not think calories need to be stressed over (or for that matter even counted) when trying to achieve extraordinary results, but you cannot expect to get to single digit body fat eating 4000 kcals a day at your body weight regardless of the quality of food you are eating.
I had noticed you (Tork) had said that you began crushing all sorts of fats when you dropped 4 lbs after incorporating blueberries into your diet. It is very easy to rack up calories by consuming extra fat (e.g. 1 g of fat = 9 kcal).
My personal experiences have told me that pushing through fat loss plateaus doesn’t always require a new miracle supplement but merely a simple manipulation of calories. Not losing fat? Eat less! Not gaining lean mass? Eat more. Don’t let yourself get discouraged by what the scale says on a daily basis. More variables go into body weight than just muscle and fat alone. Use the Biosignature as a tool—By the time your next Biosignature comes around you will have an objective result that will help you determine your next step. No change? Eat less. Lost muscle mass? Eat more. Lost body fat? Good—keep it up.
I will say this: In my experience I feel as though I get away with over-consuming calories that come from protein and healthy fat when I am in a maintenance or building mode because there is a much friendlier hormonal response associated with the two compared to carbohydrates (read: chronic over secretion of insulin). But that does not mean that I can get away with it when consistent fat loss is the goal.
Just my two cents. Your experiences will vary vastly from my own. Have faith in the Biosignature but hold yourself accountable for the minor adjustments you feel are necessary—after all, you know your body better than anyone else.
Also Tork, I’m interested: how lean are you currently? What’s your subscap at? [/quote]
Good post and I had similar concerns after about 8 to 10 weeks into the diet. I even posted for help here around that time because I was making good developments in the gym but body composition was stalling. I have read a CP article or a response to a question on not counting calories and I wasn’t totally convinced after reading it, surely too much of a food or macro will/is bound to change the body composition for worse.
As a tool, for his knowledge, for his insight CP is brilliant just that you have to treat other learned practitioners with equal analysis.
[quote]tork94 wrote:
i did see my prac today to pic up more zinc and mag and asked him about the fish oil, im going to finish the bottle i have now (almost empty) at 45g/day and then start at 30g/day [/quote]
What’s your bodyfat % ?
At 1.5 grams / %BF (the upper range), that would have you sitting at 30%. The dose is supposed to be lowered as bodyfat lowers.
At 45g for 4 months, I would drop to 1 g / % of bodyfat. If you’re 15%, 3 teaspoons (15 grams). At that high of a dose (45g), i would ask your practitioner about adding in GLA!
[quote]KalleAnka wrote:
Great thread!
@Tork
What proteins do you consume to get your daily fill and how do you vary them? I’m starting to get tired of eating more or less the same thing every day…
Also, did you have any trouble with taking Calcium D-Glucarate during the estro-detox (or has anyone else)? I started taking it but I get major acne breakouts. I don’t know whether this is because it’s working (outbreak caused by expulsion of toxins) and I should continue or if the dose is too high (body reacting badly to it).[/quote]
I didnt encounter any real problems with the d-glucarate except that the results were much less then expected. Ill likely try it again once I get my B vitamins in order as it apparently wont work well if one is deficient in B12 (i think)
I eat beef, chicken, pork, eggs, salmon, halibut and sardines as my main protein sources.
Even though they are more expensive i have tried to incorporate some buffalo, bison, cod, and even liver on a few occasions for varieties sake. I have had some other fish as well, but cant remember the name.
I just cant keep any weight on, no matter how much fat i eat. I know that im supposed to have my cheat meal/carb-up every 5-7 days.
I have been doing it every 7 days for a while now, so in an effort to try and build some more muscle im going to try moving it to every 5 days. see if that helps.
[quote]KalleAnka wrote:
Great thread!
@Tork
What proteins do you consume to get your daily fill and how do you vary them? I’m starting to get tired of eating more or less the same thing every day…
Also, did you have any trouble with taking Calcium D-Glucarate during the estro-detox (or has anyone else)? I started taking it but I get major acne breakouts. I don’t know whether this is because it’s working (outbreak caused by expulsion of toxins) and I should continue or if the dose is too high (body reacting badly to it).[/quote]
I’ve noticed this too and just started a few days ago. What dosage are you on? Are you using any other detox/liver formulas?
EDIT: Great thread btw, I will be following along for sure!
[quote]Doc L wrote:
[quote]KalleAnka wrote:
Great thread!
@Tork
What proteins do you consume to get your daily fill and how do you vary them? I’m starting to get tired of eating more or less the same thing every day…
Also, did you have any trouble with taking Calcium D-Glucarate during the estro-detox (or has anyone else)? I started taking it but I get major acne breakouts. I don’t know whether this is because it’s working (outbreak caused by expulsion of toxins) and I should continue or if the dose is too high (body reacting badly to it).[/quote]
I’ve noticed this too and just started a few days ago. What dosage are you on? Are you using any other detox/liver formulas?
EDIT: Great thread btw, I will be following along for sure![/quote]
I used to take 2 caps 3 times a day and lowered it to 1 cap 3 times a day. Was still getting breakouts so stopped completely. I’m letting my face clear up before starting to slowly introduce it back 1 daily cap at a time. Still not sure whether this is part of the detox and will stop after a while of taking the supplement. Not sure how long I want to take it to find out, my face was a complete mess!
I was also taking Estrogenomix PX (another Poliquin supplement) when it started. Taking that alone didn’t cause breakouts.
Ill be getting my next skin-folds taken in 7 days. Im looking forward to them as I think im looking a bit leaner then last time. Because I am quite far from my next competition I have been able to do more bodybuilding type movements/reps/sets then normal so im hoping that means more muscle growth then I would normally have.
Sleep has also been improved lately.
I am also going on vacation for a week at the end of August (right after my final exams). Their is a gym where im going, so I hope to hit it really hard with lots of volume 2-3 times that week. That, coupled with lots of food, sleep and basically no external stress should also hopefully result in making me a little leaner.
When I took DIM and CDG, I took 2 pills of each 3 times a day, and was seeing ridic results. Pants were like falling off me very quickly.