[quote]easygee wrote:
Any chance you can post todays workout?[/quote]
easygee,
I already posted today’s leg workout yesterday. I’m thinking its probably on page 3 of this thread. Check it out!
Tomorrow is supposed to be an off-day, so I’ll post the next workout later today, or tomorrow (on this same thread).
[quote]IBMS wrote:
Okay, updated guesstimates including the Flameout:
Calories = ~3350kcal
Protein = ~380g
Carbs = ~280g
Fat = ~85g[/quote]
IBMS,
Thanks for providing these “guesstimates” for others to see. Its tough trying to prepare meals, eat them, workout, and keep both of these threads updated, and try to crunch these numbers–so I’m just eating what Coach Thibs tells me to eat (or at least try to).
Oh, I wanted to add that it feels like I’m eating 5K with how full I feel throughout the day!
[quote]USCTrojan619 wrote:
IBMS wrote:
Okay, updated guesstimates including the Flameout:
Calories = ~3350kcal
Protein = ~380g
Carbs = ~280g
Fat = ~85g
IBMS,
Thanks for providing these “guesstimates” for others to see. Its tough trying to prepare meals, eat them, workout, and keep both of these threads updated, and try to crunch these numbers–so I’m just eating what Coach Thibs tells me to eat (or at least try to).
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No problem. I’m sure you’ll be busy enough EATING all that food, let alone trying to calculate it all.
I know it’s early days yet but keep up the good work. I expect your transformation pics to be awesome… don’t let me (and every other baited-breath ecto) down!!
I noticed you were talking about drinking water during your meals.
Personally, I find this makes eating big meals harder. This can dilute your stomach acid, making digestion more difficult. Ironically, proper hydration is required for digestion…
You might find staying well hydrated but drinking less during meals to help you to not feel so “overfull”.
Hope your cold is getting better. Keep up the great work!
from past experience try eating your meats before your carbs and fruit…and yes dont drink with your meals…youll get full much faster that way…
good luck!
[quote]IBMS wrote:
Okay, updated guesstimates including the Flameout:
Calories = ~3350kcal
Protein = ~380g
Carbs = ~280g
Fat = ~85g[/quote]
This still tops into the 400g PRO, 300g CHO, 100g F that I had in my mind but for someone who has a tendency to gain too much fat (ie. a former fat body). Not someone who is “ecto”.
And yes I know that fat doesn’t make someone fat, but it is damm easy to overconsume calories with the fat. Not so with the carbs and protein.
I don’t think that the protein grams is excessive as the goal of the Clinic is to make radical transformation and he is drinking lots of water to filter the protein.
[quote]mtotry wrote:
from past experience try eating your meats before your carbs and fruit…and yes dont drink with your meals…youll get full much faster that way…
good luck![/quote]
Also try getting more of your liquids with the snacks as they are less filling.
The reason for the relatively low fats at this point may be to ease him into the habit of eating much more than he is used to. Fats are more filling than carbs and proteins (generally) so I imagine CT will shift the ratios around some as the clinic goes on.
[quote]mithious wrote:
I noticed you were talking about drinking water during your meals.
Personally, I find this makes eating big meals harder. This can dilute your stomach acid, making digestion more difficult. Ironically, proper hydration is required for digestion…
You might find staying well hydrated but drinking less during meals to help you to not feel so “overfull”.
Hope your cold is getting better. Keep up the great work![/quote]
I also assume that he is taking all of those protein shakes with water. He is having at least 4 shakes a day in his “normal” meals… then add another 3 for pre, during and post workout.
Is this not already enough water?
[quote]sawadeekrob wrote:
I don’t think that the protein grams is excessive as the goal of the Clinic is to make radical transformation and he is drinking lots of water to filter the protein.
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Hey - sorry I’m not sure what you mean by “lots of water to filter the protein.”
Trojan, I’m not sure if this is a correct estimate but it seems that you like to over-analyze things.
Before you go to the gym, visualize the workout and go through the motions in your mind. Don’t get caught up over little details such as racking before partials, or touching plates at the bottom on RDL’s etc (Do partials immediately after muscle failure, don’t touch at the bottom with RDL’s, and go as low as you can on hack squats)
When you go into the gym you must be a fucking animal, you can’t stop halfway through and second guess what you are doing.
Sorry if i got all of this wrong, but your effort and intensiveness is KEY. If your diet is perfect, but your training is half assed, you are still not oging to get optimum results. They both need to be spot on.
[quote]IBMS wrote:
mithious wrote:
I noticed you were talking about drinking water during your meals.
Personally, I find this makes eating big meals harder. This can dilute your stomach acid, making digestion more difficult. Ironically, proper hydration is required for digestion…
You might find staying well hydrated but drinking less during meals to help you to not feel so “overfull”.
Hope your cold is getting better. Keep up the great work!
I also assume that he is taking all of those protein shakes with water. He is having at least 4 shakes a day in his “normal” meals… then add another 3 for pre, during and post workout.
Is this not already enough water?
sawadeekrob wrote:
I don’t think that the protein grams is excessive as the goal of the Clinic is to make radical transformation and he is drinking lots of water to filter the protein.
Hey - sorry I’m not sure what you mean by “lots of water to filter the protein.”[/quote]
The reason most doctors and laymen consider eating large quantities of protein bad is because there is a high risk of kidney stones due to the increased processing. However it has been proven (research) that using a high intake of water somewhat mitigates this.
Also some persons have a higher propensity for this, others much less. The general recommendation is 1 gal or more, but that also gives another set of problems (electrolyte imbalance).
[quote]sawadeekrob wrote:
IBMS wrote:
mithious wrote:
I noticed you were talking about drinking water during your meals.
Personally, I find this makes eating big meals harder. This can dilute your stomach acid, making digestion more difficult. Ironically, proper hydration is required for digestion…
You might find staying well hydrated but drinking less during meals to help you to not feel so “overfull”.
Hope your cold is getting better. Keep up the great work!
I also assume that he is taking all of those protein shakes with water. He is having at least 4 shakes a day in his “normal” meals… then add another 3 for pre, during and post workout.
Is this not already enough water?
sawadeekrob wrote:
I don’t think that the protein grams is excessive as the goal of the Clinic is to make radical transformation and he is drinking lots of water to filter the protein.
Hey - sorry I’m not sure what you mean by “lots of water to filter the protein.”
The reason most doctors and laymen consider eating large quantities of protein bad is because there is a high risk of kidney stones due to the increased processing. However it has been proven (research) that using a high intake of water somewhat mitigates this.
Also some persons have a higher propensity for this, others much less. The general recommendation is 1 gal or more, but that also gives another set of problems (electrolyte imbalance).
[/quote]
Gotcha! Like I said, I just wasn’t sure what you meant by “filter the protein” lol
[quote]mithious wrote:
I noticed you were talking about drinking water during your meals.
Personally, I find this makes eating big meals harder. This can dilute your stomach acid, making digestion more difficult. Ironically, proper hydration is required for digestion…
You might find staying well hydrated but drinking less during meals to help you to not feel so “overfull”.
Hope your cold is getting better. Keep up the great work![/quote]
That’s funny. I posted exactly what you said just right now on my random thoughts.
[quote]mtotry wrote:
from past experience try eating your meats before your carbs and fruit…and yes dont drink with your meals…youll get full much faster that way…
good luck![/quote]
Someone who knows more about this, please chime in, but I actually heard that doing the opposite is better, meaning eating my fruits and veggies first, and then my chicken, turkey, shrimp, fish. And the reasoning was because the protein takes a lot longer to digest, and if you eat it first and carbs after, then you’ll have gas/bloating/angry stomach.
All I know is, my stomach isn’t used to all this food and its angry all the time. 
Okay guys, today is an off-day for me. Tomorrow will be Back day:
A Straight-arms pulldown 8-10
2 sets 90 sec rest 4-0-1-0 tempo
Adjust: 8-10 reps to failure, rest 10-12 seconds, more reps to failure, drop by 50%, more reps to failure,
rest 10-12 seconds, more reps to failure
B Partial rack deadlift �?? Top half dead 3,2,1
3 sets 120 sec rest 2-0-1-0 tempo
Adjust: This is the top portion of the deadlift only (go heavy!) … start the bar on the safety pins, 1-2’’
above the knees
C Seated rowing - Machine 6-8
2 sets 120 sec rest 2-0-1-1 tempo
Adjust: Perform 6-8 reps to failure, rest 10-12 seconds, perform more reps to failure with same weight,
rest 10-12 seconds and perform a few more reps to failure, then perform partial reps at the top
D Lat pulldown in front 6-8
1 sets 120 sec rest 3-0-1-1 tempo
Adjust: Perform 6-8 reps to failure, rest 10-12 seconds, perform more reps to failure with same weight,
rest 10-12 seconds and perform a few more reps to failure, then hold the squeeze position as long as
you can
E Behind the back shrugs in Smith machine 6-8
2 sets 120 sec rest 2-0-1-1 tempo
Adjust: Perform 6-8 reps to failure, rest 10-12 seconds and perform more reps to failure, lower the
weight by 50% and perform reps to failure, rest 10-12 seconds and perform more reps to failure, then
hold the top position as long as you can
F Dumbbell Shrugs 8-10
2 sets 120 sec rest 2-0-1-1 tempo
Adjust: 8-10 reps to failure, rest 10-12 seconds, more reps to failure
My body is physically tired and worn down. My cold is still lingering and beating me down (which is making everything that much harder), but I think its getting better. I’m going to eat my first snack in a half hour, and then go take a nap.
Despite all this, I’m doing my best to BRING IT on every workout.
You could always blend everything and drink it as some sort of gross chicken, veg and protein powder smoothie!
I agree though… I have a horrible appetite and struggle to eat enough to gain. I’m reading your log hoping to steal any good tips or advice!
USC,
Some quick suggestions that should help you:
Make sure not to make a mess or let anyone see your chalk as most gyms don’t allow this (put your chalk on in the bathroom if you have to). If you don’t have access to gym chalk, buy blackboard chalk and mash it with a mallet.
If you are struggling to eat all that food, you need to spread out your meals more. The only way to do this is to wake up early (5:00am). I have found you can still go to bed late (12:00am) if you take a nap for an hour or two mid day (in between meals) and be well rested. I eat over 12+ meals a day at times and have no problems doing it. Being young, you should have no problems at all doing this.
By spreading your meals more, you should be able to hydrate yourself well. One trick that has always worked for me is to carry around a gallon water bottle with me most places I go. If you always have water close to, you will be much more likely to drink a lot. As you probably know, water plays a ton of important roles in your body so drink up!
Good luck man. I look forward to seeing you succeed.
DeanoT,
Thanks for your tips. I don’t know if chalk is an option for me, but I’ll definitely use the the alternate grip.
I’m a full-time student, so I don’t think I can spread out my meals anymore than they already are (instructors don’t take to kindly to munching on broccoli and chicken breast in class). Its still early, but my stomach feels like its slowly being used to being full all the time. I just need to get over the grumbling, gas, and bloating.
And I do carry a water bottle w/ me everywhere. Its a pretty sweet CamelBak one too! I drink the majority, if not all, of my water in between meals, and during snacks.
[quote]USCTrojan619 wrote:
DeanoT,
Thanks for your tips. I don’t know if chalk is an option for me, but I’ll definitely use the the alternate grip.[/quote]
Try straps.
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