Hey buddy just wanted to drop in and say great work on the PC thread. The random thoughts at the end of the day really help put everything together, for you and all of us reading. Man, that’s a crap load of food!! Are you still drinking water throughout the day and if so, how much?
Thanks and keep it up!
USC… Found the thread. Being new to T-Nation It took me a while. I’m an old man ecto, 46, 5’7" 145lbs. I will surely be following your progress. Good luck!!
Hey bro
Fellow ecto here and all I’m gonna say is just keep going. It might suck having to eat so much - the workouts are killer - and sometimes you will feel completely run down. Just think about the opportunity you have been given. I would give my left nut to be where you are right now man, make us proud!
Just registered to post this:
I plugged your training day diet into fitday:
Comes out to roughly:
Kcal = ~3200
Protein = ~380g
Carbs = ~280g
Fat = ~70g
Figures are slightly rough because you will have variation in the size of the oranges, leaness of the chicken/fish etc etc
Anyway, they are ballpark figures. Hope that helps someboy out.
By the way… that is a SHITLOAD of protein coming from protein powder supps. It’s a good job they sent you all this stuff for free… it would cost a FORTUNE to keep this up. You’re going through >10 scoops a day!
Has coach told you how many calories he’s got you on per day? What about macros?
[quote]IBMS wrote:
Just registered to post this:
I plugged your training day diet into fitday:
Comes out to roughly:
Kcal = ~3200
Protein = ~380g
Carbs = ~280g
Fat = ~70g
Figures are slightly rough because you will have variation in the size of the oranges, leaness of the chicken/fish etc etc
Anyway, they are ballpark figures. Hope that helps someboy out.
By the way… that is a SHITLOAD of protein coming from protein powder supps. It’s a good job they sent you all this stuff for free… it would cost a FORTUNE to keep this up. You’re going through >10 scoops a day![/quote]
Does anyone find interesting the low level of fat in the diet? Him being and ecto and all I would have assumed different macros.
This is going to be a good learning experience.
Stay strong Trojan! I know it is tough but be tougher cause the eating will get easier once your body figures out what you are trying to do!
Just take everything day by day. And meal by meal.
I used to be an ecto before too, believe it or not! So, I know you feel my brother!
Take care and train hard Trojan!
[quote]sawadeekrob wrote:
IBMS wrote:
Just registered to post this:
I plugged your training day diet into fitday:
Comes out to roughly:
Kcal = ~3200
Protein = ~380g
Carbs = ~280g
Fat = ~70g
Figures are slightly rough because you will have variation in the size of the oranges, leaness of the chicken/fish etc etc
Anyway, they are ballpark figures. Hope that helps someboy out.
By the way… that is a SHITLOAD of protein coming from protein powder supps. It’s a good job they sent you all this stuff for free… it would cost a FORTUNE to keep this up. You’re going through >10 scoops a day!
Does anyone find interesting the low level of fat in the diet? Him being and ecto and all I would have assumed different macros.
This is going to be a good learning experience.
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I was wondering about the ratios as well. I was also thinking the calories seemed low but then we have to remember that this is just the start. Like USC’s creatine question, the diet will be tweaked and worked over the course of the Clinic.
And I agree, a very interesting learning experience.
Sorry it’s also worth mentioning that obviously I don’t have the nutritional info for the new Surge Workout Fuel, so I used the values from normal Surge.
That does seem like an excessive amount of protein (almost 2.5g/lb of bodyweight) and very little fat… But hey, maybe his progress will be amazing.
I will try cutting some fat from my diet and replacing it with proteins and carbs… just to see what happens. The fat does tend to make me feel more bloated than protein/carbs, so maybe when over-eating like Trojan it is a good idea to keep fats down.
Hey Trojan
Just read you PC post about how its going, first just want to say you doing great on the “keeping us updated”.
Ive been doing a slightly diff programme as you bit more like the one bizarre had but i deff know what you mean about finding it hard to do the following work-sets, on the shoulder press i can hardly get the db’s up let alone doing the reps and having perfect form. i think thats where a training partner is quite important. I asked CT about it before and from what i believe its important to hit that failure on the 1st mini-set, best to ask him yourself tho.
good luck
alex
[quote]sawadeekrob wrote:
IBMS wrote:
Does anyone find interesting the low level of fat in the diet? Him being and ecto and all I would have assumed different macros.
This is going to be a good learning experience.
[/quote]
Not really, he wants to add lean muscle not fat right?
[quote]A_l3x wrote:
sawadeekrob wrote:
IBMS wrote:
Does anyone find interesting the low level of fat in the diet? Him being and ecto and all I would have assumed different macros.
This is going to be a good learning experience.
Not really, he wants to add lean muscle not fat right?[/quote]
Fats in the form of olive oil, avocadoes, nuts, etc don’t actually make you fat, unless you eat massive amounts. What makes you fat generally is high-glycemic food like donuts, cake, even white bread and pasta…
[quote]A_l3x wrote:
sawadeekrob wrote:
IBMS wrote:
Does anyone find interesting the low level of fat in the diet? Him being and ecto and all I would have assumed different macros.
This is going to be a good learning experience.
Not really, he wants to add lean muscle not fat right?[/quote]
But you do need enough fat for vitamin storage, hormone production etc
Like I said, my figures were guesstimates. Depending on how lean the chicken/turkey/fish etc is, that adds more fat.
I also forgot to account for the Flameout, so that might add another bit of fat too.
[quote]Mike84 wrote:
A_l3x wrote:
sawadeekrob wrote:
IBMS wrote:
Does anyone find interesting the low level of fat in the diet? Him being and ecto and all I would have assumed different macros.
This is going to be a good learning experience.
Not really, he wants to add lean muscle not fat right?
Fats in the form of olive oil, avocadoes, nuts, etc don’t actually make you fat, unless you eat massive amounts. What makes you fat generally is high-glycemic food like donuts, cake, even white bread and pasta…[/quote]
I put my hands up i was wrong just didnt do any calculations. From what i have read you need about 3-6% EFA’s of your caloric intake so 3500 cals is 140g of fat at 4%? so i guess 70g looks a little under but as IBM said it is only a guesstimate and hell im no expert.
USCTrojan619,
I’ve been doing bizzare’s workouts from his clinic for the past few weeks and I can completely relate to what you said about your muscles feeling like jello the first time you did these workouts. Leg day feels like suicide.
But, you will start to adapt in the sense that you’ll be able to crank out those sets to failure with better and better form as time goes on and your recovery time will increase quite a bit! After the first week or so, these workouts have become more and more enjoyable as crazy as that might sound!
It’s an awesome program that CT designed and gives great gains. Keep working at it man, you’ll reach your goals soon enough. Good luck!
to usctrojan619,
Good luck man…im following your workout and diet(maybe not enough on the diet)…man my arms are still in a pump 24hrs later…
i did the leg days of bizarre and i have to agree with scream…this is suicide…curious to see your leg days!
Thanks for the words fellas. Its so much harder because I’m not feeling 100%. I can’t say that I’m looking forward to leg day.
I don’t think I’ve done a real leg workout since April!
The diet is a shock to my system, especially my stomach. I felt like hurling almost throughout the entire day. I even woke up this morning still full!
Any chance you can post todays workout?
Okay, updated guesstimates including the Flameout:
Calories = ~3350kcal
Protein = ~380g
Carbs = ~280g
Fat = ~85g